Merit System Suggestion Update

[Daboy_Lyle]

Sad to say but there are 1498183 members on this forum. Do you think they can manage it all? Administrators and staff are few but they are doing there best. Yes, there's a problem with this merit system but majority of the merit system helps the forum or the newbies to become a good posters. Like me I'm just new to this forum, I agree that ranking up isn't not easy like before the update of this forum because every rank requires many merits to rank up.

I agree to your suggestion but it would make the admins work more difficult, all the admins of the forum can't go and check every post of all the people in this forum there are many msny users. All the admins definitely would also have their own work to do, that can't just sit here whole day checking peoples posts and rewarding them merits right?

[yohananaomi]

You got 4 merits, OP.  That's a lot more than many members with your awful command of the english language have gotten, and assuming you didn't buy those, you should consider yourself very lucky.  What are you complaining about?  

In case you haven't noticed, suggestions from newbies are falling on deaf ears.  Rightfully so.  

Look at me, I haven't earned a merit yet, and I'm not about to complain, because I'm not here to rank up and spam the forum.

You're not complaining cause you are a Senior Member, and you take advantage of your position by participating in signature campaigns. You don't need any more merit, you have a high rank already. On the hand I understand OP statements, I am a rookie too and a non native speaker, just like OP seems to me (pardon if I'm wrong). And I strive to receive merit, but i'm not complaining, I just will wait and do my best as always. My posts are probably not interesting enough, I accept it.
As of the system proposed by OP... I don't think it's actually possible, admins have a life too, and I don't think they earn a paycheck for their role of tutorship they perfectly do already. This would be too much to handle, imagine looking for quality comments in a post with 50 or more comments?
I don't know what can be done to improve the system, if I'll come up with something I'll be glad to share my opinion in a more useful way.

Indeed, if already a good enough member level has been calm and I feel there will be no big problem if indeed this merit is done, but it may be different from members who are still far away level and eager to be improved, it is obviously undeniable that feeling difficulty it will hit him (who does not want his rankings to change and want to be better). although everything is to be faced because this is a new rule. want to be patient

[intoy_victor]

Yes merit system brings a problem but the majority of the effect of merit system is helpful. Why? Because newbies have become more appropriate in posting topics or replying on topics.

Sad to say but there are 1498183 members on this forum. Do you think they can manage it all? Administrators and staff are few but they are doing there best. Yes, there's a problem with this merit system but majority of the merit system helps the forum or the newbies to become a good posters. Like me I'm just new to this forum, I agree that ranking up isn't not easy like before the update of this forum because every rank requires many merits to rank up.

I agree to your suggestion but it would make the admins work more difficult, all the admins of the forum can't go and check every post of all the people in this forum there are many msny users. All the admins definitely would also have their own work to do, that can't just sit here whole day checking peoples posts and rewarding them merits right?

There are millions of users on this forum and the Administrator and staff are only few, let's take an advantage if they can manage it all for they can't but they where doing there best to manage this forum.

[solovev]

Sad to say but there are 1498183 members on this forum. Do you think they can manage it all? Administrators and staff are few but they are doing there best. Yes, there's a problem with this merit system but majority of the merit system helps the forum or the newbies to become a good posters. Like me I'm just new to this forum, I agree that ranking up isn't not easy like before the update of this forum because every rank requires many merits to rank up.

It would have been possible to handle 1498183 members if we knew that they are going to be fixed. Problem is a lot of members are joining here everyday and that number is increasing every month. If you go through the forum stats, there had been exponential rise in that number. To handle so many members, most of the forums do not have manual inspection. But here the admin has come with the solution as merit system. Best thing about merit system is that most of the posts are kind of checked or evaluated by other members thus reducing the work of senior members.

[chokomenia]

Obviously I know the merit system will improve the quality of post in the community and I believe in the future more people will start getting merit for quality post because by then a lot of established member will be award with merit source in different sections of the forum. So we all need to be patient and wait for the merit system to normalize.

[BitcoinGuruOne]

but yes if you see users getting lots of merit from certain users and those users got merits back of similar amounts within a certain time, (fake appraisals) then there should be a way to have their merit reduced especially if the posts are boring spammy non contributing quality

Exactly my point . i recently stumbled upon a OLD ANN thread which was created a year ago and what i saw was completely ridiculous.

The OP had received 250 merits for old, worthless ann, it is forgotten and none goes there. There was several huge merit transactions 40,50,50,40 and several smaller ,unfortunately i lost it as soon as i find it again, i will edit in this post.

[ACVinegar]

Obviously I know the merit system will improve the quality of post in the community and I believe in the future more people will start getting merit for quality post because by then a lot of established member will be award with merit source in different sections of the forum. So we all need to be patient and wait for the merit system to normalize.

Actually that's the best thing we can do for now, to wait to complete the merits we needed to ranked up. Since some of them are not too much smart like "nullius" the Jr. Member who gained almost 600 merits due to good sharing of ideas and information. I hope i gained like them in the future, that's why I do my best to earned a lot of merits but I guess it is not enough.

Don't worry fellas at the right time we were achieved the exact merits we needed to ranked up, so just continue posting good quality.

[GDragon]

I think it will be a good idea, My suggestion is maybe they can add assistant moderator in this forum which having a huge amount of merits that can distribute to all deserving. We also know that moderators are busy and maybe this is the answer to that issue. Assistant moderator will be a big help to lessen people's that abuse merit and it can enhance efficiency of the whole forum. It will be a tool to balance the system I guest. 

[brotherwood12]

nice suggest , and i just worried about "farming merit system " and i think it happens for someone and he sell his account , and it make this system "not on the way "
i love your opinion about automaticly merit system and hope it can happen

[guschin]

I think it will be a good idea, My suggestion is maybe they can add assistant moderator in this forum which having a huge amount of merits that can distribute to all deserving. We also know that moderators are busy and maybe this is the answer to that issue. Assistant moderator will be a big help to lessen people's that abuse merit and it can enhance efficiency of the whole forum. It will be a tool to balance the system I guest. 

I like it the current way only as it ensures that members are involved in the betterment of the forum. However, I think that number of merits in circulation per month need to be increase a lot . It should be at least 10 times the current supply and this can be easily done by allocating more merits to each merit source per month. I was able to get some merits when the merit system was new and I think it was from the senior members who must have given default merit points. Now that most have spent those, there is shortage of merit points in comparison to that time.

[BitcoinGuruOne]

I think it will be a good idea, My suggestion is maybe they can add assistant moderator in this forum which having a huge amount of merits that can distribute to all deserving. We also know that moderators are busy and maybe this is the answer to that issue. Assistant moderator will be a big help to lessen people's that abuse merit and it can enhance the efficiency of the whole forum. It will be a tool to balance the system I guest. 

If you do not know yet, there is something like this: there are special members, called merit sources. There are merit sources which were chosen at the start of the merit system and there are those who were given this status after they gave 10 quality post which were not merited before. This should in theory help with merit distribution but this does not help with 2 problems in my view.
1) The merit abuse between familar members and moreover between alternative accounts.
2) Also this does not help to clear threads from shit posts ( i believe that there should be merits given for example 10 successfully reported low quality posts but this on other hand would put an additional strain on moderators)

[BitcoinGuruOne]

What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

There is a limit to how much merit you can send with your sMerit, which is roughly double your sMerit if you are sending it back and fourth to yourself. So if you are farming merit by sending to yourself, you will eventually run out of sMerit unless you are (colluding with) a merit source, or you are otherwise making posts that others award merit for. 

To be exact 10 smerits will generate 17,5 merits in total or in other words 1 smerit will generate 1,75 merits.
 
The fact that the smerits will run out in closed loop does not mean that this is not a problem.

I understand that there are not a lot of admins here but on other hand if we take in account the wast amounts of money which is generated here in this forum, i cant understand why there cant be more admins or sub-admin paid vacancies and i can imagine that wont be hard to get some extra income from forum in order to be able to afford more " sub-admin" vacancies.

[lucario21]

IM STILL NEW HERE IN BCT FORUM SO IF THIS POST VIOLATE ANY RULES PLEASE JUST DELETE AND DONT BAN ME PLEASE.

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.


Negative side of this opinion I think is that the job of admins here will be a bit harder by checking quality of the post and giving merits to members here.

I think my suggestion will answer on your concern.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg30206870#msg30206870

I've got your point and I appreciate it.

(there must be a lenght requirements to be merited automatically, I think all can notice a long post if its a spam post/trash then if everyone report a trash post it can be automatically deleted).

The quality of the post doesn't weigh with its length, sometimes no matter how lengthy your post are but the content were indirectly at point it may time-wasting for your reader.

 

[cryptohacker29@]

I am agree with this only merits no smerits. Smerits is become confliction as I browse many topics in the forum. This merit system become huge problematic topic for low rank members.
But I hope it will have some good moderation in the Future.

[Hero of Legendary]

IM STILL NEW HERE IN BCT FORUM SO IF THIS POST VIOLATE ANY RULES PLEASE JUST DELETE AND DONT BAN ME PLEASE.

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.

My suggestion
Why dont make it like this, No sMerit system only MERIT system and only admins can send merit to a post so that it will be fair for all and less the job of admin by checking someone send merits to another if its a farm account.
In this system no one can play the merits only the admins.

Negative side of this opinion I think is that the job of admins here will be a bit harder by checking quality of the post and giving merits to members here.

Positive side of this is that merit system will be fair to all newbies and elders here, and if the admins manage the merit system no useful and high quality post will be ignored.

EDIT: In additional I think we can make merit system automatic like activity. depends on the how long the post is, and if the post is not useful or quality merits can be gone if the post is deleted by the admins.
(there must be a lenght requirements to be merited automatically, I think all can notice a long post if its a spam post/trash then if everyone report a trash post it can be automatically deleted).

Any more additional suggestions are welcome.
If you find something wrong in my post let me know to fix this.

EDIT: Im not against this merit system, this system is nice because of its effect, Im just suggesting.

PLEASE DONT THINK IM COMPLAINING

The idea is good and reasonable but my opinion is "every suggestion and comment for the merit system now can only be worthy to consider after one year or shorter than that. "
Why because we know that merit system is just new and what we can contribute effectively is to support it through our best action in many ways.
Remember that through smerit many farmers were caught, in other words smerit is also existing with great purpose.

[zarados]

(there must be a lenght requirements to be merited automatically, I think all can notice a long post if its a spam post/trash then if everyone report a trash post it can be automatically deleted).

you cannot judge a topic based on how many paragraphs contain the topic or how long it is written. If the number of words becomes a benchmark of merit giving, it will not change anything. Giving merit should be based on the quality of the topics that forum members write or a post they create, be it a long, or short, solid and clear topic. While the topic provides new and useful information, other members will certainly not hesitate to give you merit, not to mention the moderators in each topic.

[treatWy]

Here comes again the word merit system is on the air.
Look folks, we are all under on theymos control.
Not even one knows what's next.
All that we have is not enough to solve the problem.
It is given one solution starts more problems but at the end its purpose will prevail.
I hope so and I don't care, I think so and I care is the best line on the air. So far, so good on another.

[kewlc3s]

I am just wondering is there any statistics of how many members ranked up since introduction of merit system?
I also think people scared to give merits.
Quality of posts is unfortunately not always rewarded with merits (I do not speak about myself).
There are many Newbie, Jr. Member who post very good with hope to receive some merits, but very rare they get some.

If I am a lucky, I will rank up till end of the year  

[RYXES]

I would take any topic started off with a title in FULL BLOCK CAPITALS with smallest pinch of salt.

[yojodojo21]

Well, this is very Natural Thread to me i do consider it 50/50 5o% for Complain and 50% for appreciation.
Yes, it is so very Difficult to Receive merits from other merit sources, especially if you have nothing to contribute to the forum or the post you make is not interesting, specifically not constructive and Quality, if OP would be going to search the whole Forum members, maybe you will know "NULLIUS" The Smart Guy Which Deserves a Lot of Smerits.