SilkRoad domain Seized?

[superduh]

wow.. he's against hitmen?  What a hypocrite piece of shit..

Indeed.

That's assuming the government's story is on the up and up, an assumption that can no longer be made from the outset.

No I was agreeing with calling those that are against using the hitman a hypocrite. I would if someone blackmailed me and I thought I would get away with it. You guys would not? Seriously

The blackmail was about nothing more than MONEY.  Once you hire a hitman, it's about someone's LIFE, and is considered a whole new level.  It's hard not to sympathize with a man with 3 kids, do you think they deserve to see their daddy murdered just because he tried to blackmail someone?

I think it's too early to speculate but a lot more was at stake. If the blackmailer had released compromising information about SR users this could result in a lot more broken families.
As a libertarian, DPR was acting within the non-agression principle

Wow, so now "libertarians" justify cold-blooded murder in order to protect "their property"? They justify paying a hitman after having received a picture of a corpse as a proof the murder was indeed committed, so they can protect their source of income?

Let me vomit on US-libertarian "ideals" if that is true. A fact remains: 99% of crimes are property related. True anarchists (the original ones, those that don't have the "anarcho-" prefix applied by Rothbard) were always against private property of means of production (=capitalism) precisely because of that.

i dont think people are justifying anything.  i think that blackmailing people is illegal for a reason too. and i think that DPR placed his loyalty to his cause higher than himself or that one person who alleged blackmailed him. the thing is very strange though and unfortunate regardless.

[AC130AS]

DPR, or Ross Ulbircht, does seem like a good man, very educated, but if he did hire for kill, then may I say I am deeply ashamed of him for that, we all looked at this guy as a life saver, but then yet... Murder, and nobody can confirm that source, since many other articles are saying other things about him, and none did coe up with wife and 3 kids.

[TheEmperor]

DPR, or Ross Ulbircht, does seem like a good man, very educated, but if he did hire for kill, then may I say I am deeply ashamed of him for that, we all looked at this guy as a life saver, but then yet... Murder, and nobody can confirm that source, since many other articles are saying other things about him, and none did coe up with wife and 3 kids.

It said that messages sent in March and April indicated he had "solicited a murder-for-hire" of a Canadian Silk Road user nicknamed FriendlyChemist who had tried to extort money by threatening to release the identities of thousands of the site's users.

Subsequent messages indicated he had been sent a photograph of the victim after paying $150,000 to have the blackmailer killed.

"I've received the picture and deleted it. Thank you again for your swift action," Mr Ulbricht is alleged to have written to an assassin.

However, the court documents note that Canadian law enforcers have said there was no record of a homicide taking place in White Rock, British Columbia at the time.

[Mike Hearn]

It's appalling to post that you think murder is an acceptable form of justice!. One of the very worst things about Bitcoin is the lunatic fringe it has attracted, no thanks to SR. I hope now it's gone people like you will leave our community and never come back.

The fact that some idiot thinks I'm "authoritarian" for merely being unsurprised at Ulbricht's true nature just shows how deluded some people really were. You didn't have to be a genius to see that he might be dangerous.

Yes, it might turn out that the entire set of conversations were a total fiction pulled out of some law enforcers arse. In that case I will take back these words. But somehow I doubt it. Parallel construction is not the same thing as simply inventing non-existent documents out of thin air.

[IncreaseMyT]

So, I wonder what Barry Silbert thinks about this news. Will it stop his SecondMarket project?

I bet they knew it was coming, and organized for a buy

Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what happened. He wanted this right before convincing a bunch of investors to dump boatloads of cash into Bitcoin.

So what your telling me is the other day when they announced there project, they bought the coins immediately?  I highly doubt it.  He was merely letting the world know he was taking on investments.

[alexanderanon]

Is it possible to forge forum messages? What mechanism prevents an admin from doing so on this forum, or the silk road forum?

[ronimacarroni]

wow.. he's against hitmen?  What a hypocrite piece of shit..

Indeed.

That's assuming the government's story is on the up and up, an assumption that can no longer be made from the outset.

No I was agreeing with calling those that are against using the hitman a hypocrite. I would if someone blackmailed me and I thought I would get away with it. You guys would not? Seriously

The blackmail was about nothing more than MONEY.  Once you hire a hitman, it's about someone's LIFE, and is considered a whole new level.  It's hard not to sympathize with a man with 3 kids, do you think they deserve to see their daddy murdered just because he tried to blackmail someone?

That is not DPR's responsibility but that blackmailing scumbag's.

Hey we can't allow people to kill each other.
That's were I draw the line.
You kill someone you go to jail/go to the chair.
Simple as that.

[AC130AS]

It said that messages sent in March and April indicated he had "solicited a murder-for-hire" of a Canadian Silk Road user nicknamed FriendlyChemist who had tried to extort money by threatening to release the identities of thousands of the site's users.

Subsequent messages indicated he had been sent a photograph of the victim after paying $150,000 to have the blackmailer killed.

"I've received the picture and deleted it. Thank you again for your swift action," Mr Ulbricht is alleged to have written to an assassin.

However, the court documents note that Canadian law enforcers have said there was no record of a homicide taking place in White Rock, British Columbia at the time.

Source:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24373759

Maybe the murder is a set up?

If they have had access since July the surely they would have known about this and busted him sooner. Is that not First Degree?

Theres no word saying that the victim had 3 kids or even if the murder happened. Maybe it is a setup story, or he got scammed for his bitcoins.

[bbit]

It's appalling to post that you think murder is an acceptable form of justice!. One of the very worst things about Bitcoin is the lunatic fringe it has attracted, no thanks to SR. I hope now it's gone people like you will leave our community and never come back.

The fact that some idiot thinks I'm "authoritarian" for merely being unsurprised at Ulbricht's true nature just shows how deluded some people really were. You didn't have to be a genius to see that he might be dangerous.

Yes, it might turn out that the entire set of conversations were a total fiction pulled out of some law enforcers arse. In that case I will take back these words. But somehow I doubt it. Parallel construction is not the same thing as simply inventing non-existent documents out of thin air.

+1   - I think its safe to say that some people who use "drugs" probably don't think straight when it comes to common sense decisions. It isn't a coincidence that most "drug related" incidents was caused by such an obvious error that baffles the minds of people who see it.

[mmitech]

It's appalling to post that you think murder is an acceptable form of justice!. One of the very worst things about Bitcoin is the lunatic fringe it has attracted, no thanks to SR. I hope now it's gone people like you will leave our community and never come back.

The fact that some idiot thinks I'm "authoritarian" for merely being unsurprised at Ulbricht's true nature just shows how deluded some people really were. You didn't have to be a genius to see that he might be dangerous.

Yes, it might turn out that the entire set of conversations were a total fiction pulled out of some law enforcers arse. In that case I will take back these words. But somehow I doubt it. Parallel construction is not the same thing as simply inventing non-existent documents out of thin air.

+1


I hope that this SR never comes back online, and I hope to every similar site to get down right away, we do not need these experiences around this community Bitcoin was a Nobel Idea, now people who supported the SR GTFO there is no such thing here anymore.....

I am so shocked.. I cant describe... selling drugs then killing people is making justice !!!!... where is your humanity ?

[EhVedadoOAnonimato]

I think it's too early to speculate but a lot more was at stake. If the blackmailer had released compromising information about SR users this could result in a lot more broken families.
It seems to me that as a libertarian, DPR was acting within the non-agression principle.

No way. Seriously, that should be a no brainer. Blackmailing isn't an aggression, so no use of force against a blackmailer is acceptable. Just study ethics before saying such things. Here, start with Walter Block: https://mises.org/daily/4576

If after the revelation of such secrets, bad things happen, that's not the direct action of the blackmailer, but of those who took the bad actions (the government, in this case). The blackmailer isn't violating anybody's rights. You have no "right to keep secrets". Having a "right to keep secrets" implies in having the "right to censor", by the way.

[greyhawk]

Is it possible to forge forum messages? What mechanism prevents an admin from doing so on this forum, or the silk road forum?

The forums software itself documents post edits, either by user or mod/admin.

You can see the post in question https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47811.0 is untouched, otherwise the date line would be underlined as in this post which i have edited after posting for demonstration of the function.

The only way to do an edit that is not noticed by the forum software would be by directly modifying the post on the database level.

EDIT: Ok, the function showing that a post was edited doesn't seem to be working as it should. You may now start going paranoid.

EDIT2: Now it works after the 5 minute grace period.

[wtfvanity]

It's appalling to post that you think murder is an acceptable form of justice!. One of the very worst things about Bitcoin is the lunatic fringe it has attracted, no thanks to SR. I hope now it's gone people like you will leave our community and never come back.

The fact that some idiot thinks I'm "authoritarian" for merely being unsurprised at Ulbricht's true nature just shows how deluded some people really were. You didn't have to be a genius to see that he might be dangerous.

Yes, it might turn out that the entire set of conversations were a total fiction pulled out of some law enforcers arse. In that case I will take back these words. But somehow I doubt it. Parallel construction is not the same thing as simply inventing non-existent documents out of thin air.

+1


I hope that this SR never comes back online, and I hope to every similar site to get down right away, we do not need these experiences around this community Bitcoin was a Nobel Idea, now people who supported the SR GTFO there is no such thing here anymore.....

I am so shocked.. I cant describe... selling drugs then killing people is making justice !!!!... where is your humanity ?

Actually, kind of sounds like some sort of Breaking Bad plot rip off.

[tinus42]

The point I made to Niels (the police guy) was that DPR had way too much confidence in the technologies he was using to keep him safe.

He wasn't caught because of a vulnerability in Tor or any other software but because he gave away way too much information on social networking sites and message boards (including this forum). If he had been really cautious and never used any of them he might have not been caught for a long time.

[spike420211]

The "supplier", who supposedly performed the killing, was probably the blackmailer himself.

umm, no. red&white too well known.
They found out victim was trying to raise funds v. his delinquent loan by blackmailing DPR.
They merely told DPR they could make the problem go away.
And they did. Kinda sorta.

DoJ hasta prove DPR forked over 150k$ for a hit instead of the 500k$ for the blackmail.
The blackmail thing is important, cuz motive.
DoJ doesn't want DPR's ass... they want red&white

[Jenger]

I really dont buy the whole murder for hire plot. Why would he of all people not speak with an encrypted message about that matter? The whole thing is sketchy, but I don't know.

How do you openly discuss a murder for hire without PGP?

DPR: What will it take to get rid of him?
Red: 500k
DPR: Okay sent. Pics to confirm?
Red: Pics sent.
DPR: Ty!

Really?? #1 the whole transaction which is supposedly word for word is too bland for a half a million dollar deal. #2 how do they have a recording of these messages?


Also obviously no one was murdered on or around that date in BC.

[justusranvier]

The fact that some idiot thinks I'm "authoritarian" for merely being unsurprised at Ulbricht's true nature just shows how deluded some people really were. You didn't have to be a genius to see that he might be dangerous.

You're an "authoritarian asshole" because you turned an unproven allegation into an indiscriminate political smear against an entire philosophical discipline, including some of the top thinkers in the world today and some of the highest profile and staunchest Bitcoin supporters.

You didn't condemn contracted murder, you used contracted murder as an excuse to condemned people who disagree with you politically.

By the way - I'm amazed at how many people are surprised that a drug dealer with extreme anarcho-capitalist tendencies turned out to be not a swell guy! Imagine that!

[Chronikka]

The more I read about DPR the more I wonder how SR operated for so long. The guy was pretty much giving himself up:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/10/02/silk_road_s_dread_pirate_ross_ulbricht_asked_stack_overflow_question_under.html


DOH!

[FullLife]

I like the quote on page 13 of the criminal complaint (http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/~nweaver/UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf).
"Bitcoins are not illegal in and of themselves and have known legitimate uses."

lol

The only legitimate use of bitcoin is to buy overpriced junk at online bodega shops.

I've been using them to buy Amazon gift cards @ 20% off .

[tinus42]

One of the very worst things about Bitcoin is the lunatic fringe it has attracted, no thanks to SR. I hope now it's gone people like you will leave our community and never come back

+1 As more and more legit people adopt bitcoins, these people will be pushed out the community.

There will always be a black market in Bitcoin as long as it exists. Just like there are black markets in other currencies, including the USD and Euro.