SilkRoad domain Seized?

[AC130AS]

DPR has go the wits to kill a guy to protect his hard earned bussiness, and others. We will be fucked without him, and then yet, other can learn from his mistakes and build a safer BM site.

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[UncleBobs]

The fact that some idiot thinks I'm "authoritarian" for merely being unsurprised at Ulbricht's true nature

That was not exactly what you said. Let's recapitulate it, shall we?

By the way - I'm amazed at how many people are surprised that a drug dealer with extreme anarcho-capitalist tendencies turned out to be not a swell guy! Imagine that!

You simply concluded that somebody with "extreme anarcho-capitalists tendencies" (what's "extreme ancap" by the way? You're either ancap or you're not, it's pretty binary, no "intensity levels" are possible) is automatically not a "swell guy"... in the particular case, a potential murderer.

Well, I am an anarcho-capistalist myself, as many people around here. You just compared us with a potential murderer. Calling you an "authoritarian asshole" was quite polite on my part, if you want to know.

+1 

It's like saying "Oh, Jeffrey Dahmer was a Democrat, I'm not surprised he turned out to be a cannibal, after all he was one of those socialistic Democrat types."

And Mike Hearn is well aware that many people here are Ancaps.  Now he's surprised people don't like his smear?  Rude AND stupid.

[Rampion]

Guys don't believe the assassination story so quickly. According to the official documents nobody seems to have actually been killed or even exist by the alleged names recovered from Silk Road servers, which have been in FBI custody...

That kind of personality seems totally out of character for DPR. I don't know him but his postings show clear thoughtfulness, like his response to the closing of Atlantis, or his posted rules for SR instead of letting it be an "I don't care what you do, just pay me bitcoins" environment. Hardly seems the type to be ruthless about murder. On the other hand the Feds would look good framed that way, like the heroes who shut down this site with illegal (according to US law) drugs from this clearly evil person.

Before you convict DPR keep in mind the assassination target seems not to exist.

If you read we all agree on the fact DPR was scammed, it's pretty much clear on the affidavit. The thing is that it looks like he was willing to commit that murder.

[TheEmperor]

Trusting relationships and lots of money usually don't get along very well
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So that's where I've been going so wrong in life  

[klee]

I was expecting a more underground type of guy regarding DPR - who knows how Satoshi (if one) looks like

[niko]

Can someone explain how they managed to identify his server running a Tor service? From there on it seems straight forward, they got access to the server through a request with the LE in the host country.

[Raoul Duke]

Guys don't believe the assassination story so quickly. According to the official documents nobody seems to have actually been killed or even exist by the alleged names recovered from Silk Road servers, which have been in FBI custody...

That kind of personality seems totally out of character for DPR. I don't know him but his postings show clear thoughtfulness, like his response to the closing of Atlantis, or his posted rules for SR instead of letting it be an "I don't care what you do, just pay me bitcoins" environment. Hardly seems the type to be ruthless about murder. On the other hand the Feds would look good framed that way, like the heroes who shut down this site with illegal (according to US law) drugs from this clearly evil person.

Before you convict DPR keep in mind the assassination target seems not to exist.

If you read we all agree on the fact DPR was scammed, it's pretty much clear on the affidavit. The thing is that it looks like he was willing to commit that murder.

Was he? Why do you think we're all smarter than him? He may have well know that he was being scammed and used the hit thing as a bargaining chip to pay only $150K instead of $500K. It's a very considerable difference, after all. Many of you would kill just to get your hands on those $350K he saved

[UncleBobs]

How did they have such quick access to his BTC wallet?  You would think it would be password encrypted, or something..

I'd say that your "libertarian idol" just crapped his pants, and gave away ALL his passwords immediately.

Some of you justifying the hitman thing on DPR "protecting people lives" by "protecting their secrets" is laughable at best. Everything indicates that he gave access to everything as soon as he got caught, and the hitman thing was just a "Walter White" thing to protect HIS BUSINESS AND HIS MONEY, that's it.

Plus, you just do not execute somebody, adding that he lives with "wife + 3 kids", if you are not a psycho fuck.

Some people who claim to be Libertarians, apparently including DPR, do not understand it well at all.  If anyone thinks murder is justified by Libertarianism they need educate themselves on the subject instead of bringing the label into disrepute!

[uyjulian]

The Silk Road forums seems to be not working...

[Mike Hearn]

Heh. So if I say DPR was an anarcho capitalist and also not a nice guy (two things that are very likely to be true), that's an insult, but calling me an authoritarian is not an insult? I think that's rather hypocritical. There are points on the political spectrum between anarchy and authoritarianism you know

Briefly: Ulbricht subscribed to a philosophy that boiled down to "the state is inherently bad and must be overthrown". He explicitly said that was his belief several times in public. Why do you think people tolerate or support the state, as a political institution? It's because we know what the world looks like when the state becomes weak or disappears. It looks like Mexico or Somalia. Not some peaceful, non-violent utopia but a place dominated by men like Ulbricht - people who are quite willing to assassinate anyone who gets in the way of their business empire.

[VolanicEruptor]

The Silk Road forums seems to be not working...

Hmm, I wonder why.. 

[peonminer]

From what I've read on bitcointalk.org there are sites that are comparative to SR on the deep net, yes?

[Bitsinmyhead]

How about all the hitman stuff being made up between him and that other dude to prevent other hackers from blackmailing him?

Say you hack the server and you go through all the data and you find those chats about him killing some other dude who tried to black mail him. I imagine that would be a nice deterrent for not trying the same thing.

That would also make the use of no encryption make more sense...

[Severian]

Are you actually stupid enough to believe what the feds tell you?

*cough!...Bitcoin Savings and Trust....cough!*

[greyhawk]

From what I've read on bitcointalk.org there are sites that are comparative to SR on the deep net, yes?

Not anymore they're not. One disappeared last month before they got their teeth kicked in and the other lost their biggest seller last week, who will spend some time in a government sponsored hotel.

[klee]

Heh. So if I say DPR was an anarcho capitalist and also not a nice guy (two things that are very likely to be true), that's an insult, but calling me an authoritarian is not an insult? I think that's rather hypocritical. There are points on the political spectrum between anarchy and authoritarianism you know

Briefly: Ulbricht subscribed to a philosophy that boiled down to "the state is inherently bad and must be overthrown". He explicitly said that was his belief several times in public. Why do you think people tolerate or support the state, as a political institution? It's because we know what the world looks like when the state becomes weak or disappears. It looks like Mexico or Somalia. Not some peaceful, non-violent utopia but a place dominated by men like Ulbricht - people who are quite willing to assassinate anyone who gets in the way of their business empire.

Point is state, fascists and anarchists have become (once more in history) the same monster in the means they use to achieve their goals...
Shit times ahead  

[peonminer]

From what I've read on bitcointalk.org there are sites that are comparative to SR on the deep net, yes?

Not anymore they're not. One disappeared last month before they got their teeth kicked in and the other lost their biggest seller last week, who will spend some time in a government sponsored hotel.

lmao! TOR is now FBI property.... ERR'BODY GETTIN' SEIZED IN THIS BIACH!!!  Deep net isn't looking so deep now....

[cr1776]

You should read a book called "Three Felonies a Day" which (although US based, applied equally well in the EU, and in fact most of the world) shows how on average a citizen commits (unintentionally) three felonies per day because the of number of laws that have been passed.  Some would say that the politicians are passing these law just for this purpose.

If people are aware of this, it is relatively easy to blackmail someone for one of these felonies and quite difficult to avoid putting yourself in such a position.

:-)

(And I agree with previous posts saying that the methods listed in the legal documents we've seen may just be a cover for the real method of outing him.)

I wouldn't put myself in such a position to start with. Somebody above made some comparisons to Walter White. It's quite similar indeed.
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[greyhawk]

lmao! TOR is now FBI property.... ERR'BODY GETTIN' SEIZED IN THIS BIACH!!!  Deep net isn't looking so deep now....

There's a theory going around that a large amount of TorNodes are actually run by the NSA.

[EhVedadoOAnonimato]

Was he? Why do you think we're all smarter than him? He may have well know that he was being scammed and used the hit thing as a bargaining chip to pay only $150K instead of $500K. It's a very considerable difference, after all. Many of you would kill just to get your hands on those $350K he saved

I thought that too. The problem with that reasoning is that he'd be trusting the blackmailer not to attempt to blackmail him again in the future.

There's also the possibility of this whole hired murder thing being fake. The US gov is definitely not a trustworthy entity. Maybe they preferred to create this story so that DPR's image is severely tainted, and he cannot present himself in courts as a "peaceful individual" who was "removing violence from drug trade".

All this is just speculation, though.