🔔【ICO】 HODLER HARDWARE WALLET, PAYMENT TERMINAL, TOP100 COINS + TOKENS

[waiberz]

A revolution of hard ware wallet Hodlers support 350 cryptocurrency. Investor will get annually share from companies growth. The other advance feature is  GPS transmitter which is to track the device when lost or stolen. Highly recommend to all crypto enthusiasts.

[HODLER_TECH]

Thank you.

It's very important that HODLER is offline 99.99% of time, connection is established only when user send transaction (around 1 sec) and GPS gets activated when pin is entered incorrectly twice. Who can break this security?

[DarkStar_]

Okay, HODLER_TECH, how do you plan on sandboxing the email client, and how will the emails work in a way that prevents you from tampering with them? I don't think it would be feasible to make each device a mail server, so the address would have to be on a central mailserver controlled by you (unless you have some way around it). The emails would not be encryped, so you could easily MITM the address. Also, what prevents code execution from an email?

Another day of still zero response. sighs

Legendary troll)) Do not worry about him, he sells himself for a pack of smoking pipes, see his activity.

DarkStar_ does not have to go beyond the reach of his WIFI network with his wallet or he can pay by cash. Not everyone has to use cryptocurrencies in everyday shopping. He can also drive a car shopping with his laptop, Trezor wallet, 4g modem and wiring )

Strong accusations from a Newbie with only 2 posts. I would use a Ledger Nano + Cell Phone with 4G though. What exactly about my activity makes me a troll?

[HODLER_TECH]

1. Do you have a prototype ready to show? If not, when can we see it?

Thank you very much for the substantive questions.

1.  As per our Road Map, the prototype of HODLER is scheduled to be available by the end of August 2018 the latest. Soon, we will be presenting videos of the device. About 70% of the HODLER app is ready. Majority of required servers are prepared and so is the team. https://hodler.tech/ICOdetails.html#roadmap22

2. How will you pay the dividend? (fiat or crypto?) Just crypto
   2.1 If fiat, which way? N/A
   2.2 If crypto, which currency? BTC/BCH/LTC/HDL

3. It seem like your token works like a security in stock market. Are you sure it's all right to sell this kind of token without being regulated? Isn't this illegal?

We have obtained the opinion of Estonian lawyer who advised the best way to resolve the situation legally. A whole dividend will first be transferred to the owner of HODLER.Tech and he then, as a private person, have a right to redistribute the money. Please have a look at our Investment Contract: https://hodler.tech/docs/Investment_AgreementF.pdf signed by the owner - Tobiasz Horodko. The biggest investors have got an option for becoming company shareholders. HODLER.Tech is a limited company and can divide its shares. Thanks to solutions introduced in Estonia, everything can be done online. There is no need to travel to Estonia if you are becoming shareholder in HODLER.Tech. Please check information here: https://e-resident.gov.ee/

4. Do you know the existent of cold wallet on mobile phone calledFinney phone from Sirin Labs? Will they be your competitors? How are
you planning to compete with them? What's your products advantage?

Our competitive advantage over the mentioned device is HODLER's price, which will make our wallet easily accessible to the public. HODLER is half the size and will have added functionality, i.e. 'Retailer Mode' which will allow taking and making payments, similarly to a current card transactions. We are also winning with our production capabilities, as HODLER devices produced by UNIHERTZ, already exist and get lots of positive feedback. HODLER operating system will be also available separately, so people in distinct part of the world will have a chance of installing it on one of the supported by us handsets. This means HODLER solutions will be available all over the world. Even if Finney makes it to a production line, it will be only accessible for small number of customers.  HODLER will be made to be used anywhere by anyone.

5. After I checked your products information. It seem your products has competitive price and should be able to sell.
   5.1 But how can you produced such products within this low budge cost?

This is our trading secret, so we cannot disclose it.

   5.2 How many % gross profit margin we can expects from each order?

Again, our trading secret. Our goal was to make HODLER available to anyone and we knew price is an important factor.

Strong accusations from a Newbie with only 2 posts. I would use a Ledger Nano + Cell Phone with 4G though. What exactly about my activity makes me a troll?

These were not our words, if we could ask for merits, we would be obliged. We will be happy to answer any substantive questions.

[DarkStar_]

Strong accusations from a Newbie with only 2 posts. I would use a Ledger Nano + Cell Phone with 4G though. What exactly about my activity makes me a troll?

These were not our words, if we could ask for merits, we would be obliged. We will be happy to answer any substantive questions.

No worries, wasn't addressing you. Care to answer this:

Okay, HODLER_TECH, how do you plan on sandboxing the email client, and how will the emails work in a way that prevents you from tampering with them? I don't think it would be feasible to make each device a mail server, so the address would have to be on a central mailserver controlled by you (unless you have some way around it). The emails would not be encryped, so you could easily MITM the address. Also, what prevents code execution from an email? I don't think it would be viable to have everyone run their own mailserver, as many people would not have a server ready.

[FL4RE]

Okay, HODLER_TECH, how do you plan on sandboxing the email client, and how will the emails work in a way that prevents you from tampering with them? I don't think it would be feasible to make each device a mail server, so the address would have to be on a central mailserver controlled by you (unless you have some way around it). The emails would not be encryped, so you could easily MITM the address. Also, what prevents code execution from an email?

You got right, we will put mail deamons in our infrastrcuture, not in a wallet itself. By using 7bit ASCII only e-mails (aka plain/text) with hardcoded 255 length limit, exploiting this feature is hard, because there won't by any plugins,images etc. support, so potential attack vector should be based on MITM as you said or exploiting text but without UNICODE support is quite very hard if not impossible. The only threat i know with plain/text is EICAR Test-file, I will post it here, maybe some AV will trigger alert

Code:

X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*

About Man in the Middle thread. Wallet cannot use standard protocols to handle e-mails like SMTP or IMAP, it won't be safe.
To prevent attack, connection between mail application in wallet and "mail server" will be encrypted in safe way, unbreakable without quantum computers.

tl;dr

>RCE prevention due to spartan protocol for emails content and app sandboxing
>MITM prevention with point-to-point safe encryption with signed data

[HODLER_TECH]

Each investor purchasing over 1,000 USD worth of HDL tokens gets HODLER wallet prototype free of charge. For couple of months these people will test it and provide a valuable feedback. It will be in everyone best interest to make HODLER as good as it can be. Other tests will be carried out independently, bearing in mind that security is in our prime interest.

In regards to our marketing, we are running a Bounty Campaign, details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3092508.new#new
Token promotion should make entering bigger exchangers much easier.

We have received a very interesting offer from an investor based in the UK, with requirement of becoming a HODLER.Tech shareholder. We are in conversation with them and the meeting has been scheduled for next week. We are considering allowing this kind of involvement to other serious investors. With this sort of backup we should be able to gain more credibility, especially from people who are still sceptical about ICOs.

Our reflink campaign will be available next days and people can get paid for promotion of our product and ICO.

Thank you for all the purchases today. Every investor is greatly appreciated.

The article about us on medium: https://medium.com/@elitheeya/hodler-the-ultimate-hardware-multi-asset-wallet-with-the-most-advanced-levels-of-security-fda8a8bd13f

Thank you for publishing!

[DarkStar_]

Okay, HODLER_TECH, how do you plan on sandboxing the email client, and how will the emails work in a way that prevents you from tampering with them? I don't think it would be feasible to make each device a mail server, so the address would have to be on a central mailserver controlled by you (unless you have some way around it). The emails would not be encryped, so you could easily MITM the address. Also, what prevents code execution from an email?

You got right, we will put mail deamons in our infrastrcuture, not in a wallet itself. By using 7bit ASCII only e-mails (aka plain/text) with hardcoded 255 length limit, exploiting this feature is hard, because there won't by any plugins,images etc. support, so potential attack vector should be based on MITM as you said or exploiting text but without UNICODE support is quite very hard if not impossible. The only threat i know with plain/text is EICAR Test-file, I will post it here, maybe some AV will trigger alert

Code:

X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*

About Man in the Middle thread. Wallet cannot use standard protocols to handle e-mails like SMTP or IMAP, it won't be safe.
To prevent attack, connection between mail application in wallet and "mail server" will be encrypted in safe way, unbreakable without quantum computers.

tl;dr

>RCE prevention due to spartan protocol for emails content and app sandboxing
>MITM prevention with point-to-point safe encryption with signed data

Thanks for a good response, this explains quite a bit. What prevents you (the central server) from changing addresses before relaying the address to the wallet? Others might be unable to MITM, but you would be able to from what I gather, as well as anyone with access to your mailservers.

[HODLER_TECH]

Thanks for a good response, this explains quite a bit. What prevents you (the central server) from changing addresses before relaying the address to the wallet? Others might be unable to MITM, but you would be able to from what I gather, as well as anyone with access to your mailservers.

Data are digitally signed. It's unable to change content without resigning message.
Tomorrow we'll update the Security Description of the HODLER Wallet.

We are happy to inform, https://forkdelta.github.io will be listing the HDL token in the next few days. The rest of the exchanges will be announced immediately after the acceptance of our application.



Some words about us on medium.com

https://medium.com/@genievic2324/hodler-hardware-wallet-52d8eaa2f206
https://medium.com/@elitheeya/hodler-the-ultimate-hardware-multi-asset-wallet-with-the-most-advanced-levels-of-security-fda8a8bd13f
and the Polish popular cryptocurrency web portal http://kryptowaluty.info.pl/nowe-polskie-ico-hodler-tech-portfel-sprzetowy/


Thank you for noticing our project and successive transactions. Over 1,500,000 Tokens sold today!

[DarkStar_]

Thanks for a good response, this explains quite a bit. What prevents you (the central server) from changing addresses before relaying the address to the wallet? Others might be unable to MITM, but you would be able to from what I gather, as well as anyone with access to your mailservers.

Data are digitally signed. It's unable to change content without resigning message.
Tomorrow we'll update the Security Description of the HODLER Wallet.

Digital signing takes way more than 255 characters of length. With your supposed set up, no one would be able to use the email setup, as the signature + email headers would already exceed the 255 max. You can't decrypt and verify on your mail server either, as the client would have to trust that your mail server hasn't tampered anything, which would ruin the encryption.

Mind getting FL4RE to answer this? He seems more technically capable than you (no offense, I assume you're in marketing or something)

[xputchakabax]

who's in charge of the project? got email and went here in this thread i'd like to create blog about the hodler.tech where can i sign up the form or submit my link to my blog about the project? and how much token is at stake?

[JanEmil]

who's in charge of the project? got email and went here in this thread i'd like to create blog about the hodler.tech where can i sign up the form or submit my link to my blog about the project? and how much token is at stake?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3092508.msg31913417#msg31913417

[JanEmil]

@DarkStar_
Deep knowledge. Respect.

[FL4RE]

Thanks for a good response, this explains quite a bit. What prevents you (the central server) from changing addresses before relaying the address to the wallet? Others might be unable to MITM, but you would be able to from what I gather, as well as anyone with access to your mailservers.

Data are digitally signed. It's unable to change content without resigning message.
Tomorrow we'll update the Security Description of the HODLER Wallet.

Digital signing takes way more than 255 characters of length. With your supposed set up, no one would be able to use the email setup, as the signature + email headers would already exceed the 255 max. You can't decrypt and verify on your mail server either, as the client would have to trust that your mail server hasn't tampered anything, which would ruin the encryption.

Mind getting FL4RE to answer this? He seems more technically capable than you (no offense, I assume you're in marketing or something)

Yes, signing takes more place but it won't be count as a content. It will be part of a connection protocol, so if there will be mismatch, connection will be closed and user will get info about potential compromission of connection. The hard limit of content is to prevent attempts to send large messages to overflow the buffer and other unpleasant ones. With a limit of 255 characters it will significantly hinder it

[HODLER_TECH]

Thank you Dark_Star_ for your detailed questions, we have updated the Security Description document: https://hodler.tech/docs/SecurityDescription.pdf

Your questions will be also included.

[JanEmil]

I do not understand about this project!

If you what to change that try to read here:

Homepage:
https://hodler.tech

White Paper
https://hodler.tech/docs/Whitepaper_HODLERF.pdf

[HODLER_TECH]

I do not understand about this project!

The idea of the project:

We will create the ultimate hardware wallet with the most advanced level of security, designed for easy payments and compatible with over 350 cryptocurrencies. Profits of our company are to be shared with our token holders.

Revenue of investment calculator:
https://hodler.tech/ICOdetails.html#roi


I hope everything is clear now, if you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask me.

[walters91]

For a long time in the crypto currency world where I was initiated by a friend, I understood many things
Comment on the world of cryptocurrency
the master currency which is Bitcoin
The different portfolios who are competing with each other
Since a few days after my research I discovered a HOLDER wallet that in its operation provides features of the jamain seen to have my device, keep my jettons, Scan QR codes, about and many others. his work he can have up to 350 jettons.
it is a very secure platform in itself.
after my research on the platform It seems to me that they have products at competitive prices in order to quickly sell the currency.

[HODLER_TECH]

Very profitable reflink campagin!

Person, whose reflink is used for purchasing HDL tokens will get 4% commission paid in ETH*. Buyer purchasing HDL tokens via reflink will get the current bonus + additional 10% bonus

* -(value is calculated in USD, so purchase worth 100k USD will get you 4k USD worth in ETH)

[ColdZerk]

There was another ICO about hardware wallet Recently - it was Giza Device. I hope you guys will present us a good product some time later, but SIM+Wi-Fi is a really big disadvantage.