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April 22, 2018, 04:30:51 PM
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Despite the Japanese being advisers, I dont know why you chose this name.
Sonder is pronounced as "損だ" for Japanese people.
"損だ" means loss.
Well, if the project is good, it dosent matter. Tongue
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April 22, 2018, 04:46:41 PM
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Is this trustable?
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April 22, 2018, 06:16:43 PM
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Is this trustable?
yes, many investors are join in pre-sales and have now increased $ 2,114,000 more and are continuing to grow
you can check here https://sonder.vision
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April 25, 2018, 07:56:16 PM
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Rapid digitization and integration of internet services all across the world has revolutionized the traditional industries and gave birth to many new industries. The social adoption of the new technology took place at its own rate in different countries but ultimately everyone realises the potential and scale of it. And SONDER have tried to present an application which will accelerate the process of mainstream adoption of the cryptocurrency. What do you think about the different services offered by the platform?  Roll Eyes
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April 25, 2018, 11:47:17 PM
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Probably I'm blind, but where is your bounty? Thanx
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I congratulate the SONDER team with new partners!
What are the advantages of this cooperation?
OmiseGo coin will be used as payment means in Sonder Payment System. Besides, we have negotiations with some another projects regarding including their coins/tokens to our P2P exchange.
Hello, Jonas,
I want to invest in the ICO, but have a several important questions to be addressed. I will appreciate your reply.

1. Where one can find the proof of the partnership with OmiseGo? (Like OmiseGo web-site, twitter or something like that, so far I saw nothing there about SONDER.)

2. There was a period during the pre-ICO, when there was a 10% bonus. Currently it is a 15% bonus because the pre-ICO was extended. Does it not counterintuitive – those investors who got 10% bonus are not happy now, aren't they?

3. Theoretically, there are two ways: a) a hard cap is in USD, and ETH that is risen during the fundraising campaign should be immediately transferred to USD, so the funding volume announced at the every moment does not change due the ETH price fluctuations, or b) a hard cap should be in ETH. But in case of SONDER it is that a hard cap is in dollars, but the price of tokens is in ETH, and hard cap is constantly changing because of the fluctuation of the ETH/USD price. Could you, please, comment that?

4. Furthermore, if the price of a token is in ETH, the number of tokens to sell is fixed and the hard cap is in dollars there is an obvious mathematical conflict here. I.e., 168M tokens price in ETH will be 11760ETH. With the hard cap of $6M it would work if the price of ETH will be fixed at around 510$. But it is not, so the hard cap will be reached faster than the 168M tokens will be sold. So, what will happen with the unsold tokens? I do not think that this important point is mentioned somewhere... Please, comment that.

5. The conditions of the pre-ICO were changed, but it was not reflected on the SONDER web-site and the whitepaper. Shouldn't the solid project avoid to have such unprofessional issues?

6. At the LinkedIn pages of Kenjiro Tamaki and Benjamin Li there is nothing said about participating in SONDER. (The latter also does not have the data about his occupation at all, so we do not have a proof of that he works at Beijing Honden Capital...) How come that even a co-founder did not mention such a crucial thing for the trust for the project at his LinkedIn page?

7. What is expected cost of a future SONDER master-node and its profitability?

8. Finally, the SONDER whitepaper is extremely non-technical, so most of the properties of the proposed blockchain are rather unclear in a way of achieving them. For instance, it is said that "Immediate execution of transactions will be achieved due to a high speed of forming blocks, the consensus between the masternodes, reasonable emission schedule and the system-friendly rates". Well, immediate execution means that there must be something like >100k TPS for the SONDER use case, but a) high speed of forming blocks is not a method for increasing TPS, but actually the same thing, b) consensus between the masternodes is a regular issue, alone it cannot give you 100k TPS, c) emission schedule point is a complete nonsense! because it is supposed to be zero! the total supply is already defined and what is the emission we are talking about then?
In principle, there should be something like sharding, like in Zilliga, second-layer solutions etc. Nothing of that kind, not saying about something new, is proposed or even thoroughly described by SONDER.

Please, take my questions not as a FUD attempt, but a wish to become sure that the project is solid and it is reasonable to invest. Thank you in advance.

P.S. If someone could answer some of those questions, I would greatly appreciate it.
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April 26, 2018, 04:20:33 PM
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I ask, because I invested 10 ETH. I understand that this may be a little bit for you, but for me this is a large amount, so I'm interested in the details of my investments. maybe you will tell us some news or details of which are not on social networks and on the site?

It seems to me you had to be interested in this information before investing so much of your money in this project. why are you asking the question only now when the money is already sent?

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April 28, 2018, 09:55:34 AM
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I saw on the website almost $4m invested in this project. I am looking forward on this.
Is it just pre-ico? Or is it the main token sale already? And if it is the main token sale, how long will it gonna last?
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April 28, 2018, 11:44:53 PM
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I saw on the website almost $4m invested in this project. I am looking forward on this.
Is it just pre-ico? Or is it the main token sale already? And if it is the main token sale, how long will it gonna last?
I think its still pre-ico, and "pre-sale is live" is still written on their site. Im also wondering about that, on the bounty thread they said that the pre-sale will end on April 10th.
Please give a confirmation about this.
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April 29, 2018, 11:26:12 AM
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Hello, I made the transaction , but no coins were received. Later, I tried to make a transaction and for her coins were accrued. Where can I write to clarify the situation?
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April 29, 2018, 04:44:49 PM
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when registering a wrong link Bitcointalk please correct. 
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April 29, 2018, 09:08:02 PM
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I ask, because I invested 10 ETH. I understand that this may be a little bit for you, but for me this is a large amount, so I'm interested in the details of my investments. maybe you will tell us some news or details of which are not on social networks and on the site?

It seems to me you had to be interested in this information before investing so much of your money in this project. why are you asking the question only now when the money is already sent?

His request is somewhat funny to read. He sends 10 ETH, says that is a lot of money for him and now he wants the details of the project. Would be funny to see the dev answer him that there are not so many details except for this being a scam Cheesy
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April 30, 2018, 02:42:05 AM
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Hello, is there an exact date about when will the ICO or the Crowdsale start? i just see that it will be in Q2 2018 on the roadmap.
And also do you have any community manager?
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I ask, because I invested 10 ETH. I understand that this may be a little bit for you, but for me this is a large amount, so I'm interested in the details of my investments. maybe you will tell us some news or details of which are not on social networks and on the site?

It seems to me you had to be interested in this information before investing so much of your money in this project. why are you asking the question only now when the money is already sent?

His request is somewhat funny to read. He sends 10 ETH, says that is a lot of money for him and now he wants the details of the project. Would be funny to see the dev answer him that there are not so many details except for this being a scam Cheesy
I guess he might be a new trader. 10ETH is not a small sum. Wait until the investment suddenly thought of not properly understanding and carefully examining the project. This is a mistake.
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I ask, because I invested 10 ETH. I understand that this may be a little bit for you, but for me this is a large amount, so I'm interested in the details of my investments. maybe you will tell us some news or details of which are not on social networks and on the site?

It seems to me you had to be interested in this information before investing so much of your money in this project. why are you asking the question only now when the money is already sent?

His request is somewhat funny to read. He sends 10 ETH, says that is a lot of money for him and now he wants the details of the project. Would be funny to see the dev answer him that there are not so many details except for this being a scam Cheesy
I guess he might be a new trader. 10ETH is not a small sum. Wait until the investment suddenly thought of not properly understanding and carefully examining the project. This is a mistake.


Even as a new trader you would put a least amount of effort into finding out relevant info about the project. Otherwise you can go to a Casino and have higher chances there. They are also willing to explain to you the odds if you ask Wink
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May 01, 2018, 01:49:24 AM
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you collected more than 4 million, you fellows, I'm waiting for the snr to go to the stock exchange
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May 01, 2018, 05:24:54 PM
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you collected more than 4 million, you fellows, I'm waiting for the snr to go to the stock exchange
all will run with sonder project plan.
after the ICO finish. Sonder will be start plan to register in exchanges and it will be announce after the ICO finish
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you collected more than 4 million, you fellows, I'm waiting for the snr to go to the stock exchange
few days ago I saw in one YouTube video, that Sonder tokens gonna be listed on one very huge exchange, what it will be?? How do u think?
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May 02, 2018, 12:22:37 AM
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I congratulate the SONDER team with new partners!
What are the advantages of this cooperation?
OmiseGo coin will be used as payment means in Sonder Payment System. Besides, we have negotiations with some another projects regarding including their coins/tokens to our P2P exchange.
Hello, Jonas,
I want to invest in the ICO, but have a several important questions to be addressed. I will appreciate your reply.

1. Where one can find the proof of the partnership with OmiseGo? (Like OmiseGo web-site, twitter or something like that, so far I saw nothing there about SONDER.)

2. There was a period during the pre-ICO, when there was a 10% bonus. Currently it is a 15% bonus because the pre-ICO was extended. Does it not counterintuitive – those investors who got 10% bonus are not happy now, aren't they?

3. Theoretically, there are two ways: a) a hard cap is in USD, and ETH that is risen during the fundraising campaign should be immediately transferred to USD, so the funding volume announced at the every moment does not change due the ETH price fluctuations, or b) a hard cap should be in ETH. But in case of SONDER it is that a hard cap is in dollars, but the price of tokens is in ETH, and hard cap is constantly changing because of the fluctuation of the ETH/USD price. Could you, please, comment that?

4. Furthermore, if the price of a token is in ETH, the number of tokens to sell is fixed and the hard cap is in dollars there is an obvious mathematical conflict here. I.e., 168M tokens price in ETH will be 11760ETH. With the hard cap of $6M it would work if the price of ETH will be fixed at around 510$. But it is not, so the hard cap will be reached faster than the 168M tokens will be sold. So, what will happen with the unsold tokens? I do not think that this important point is mentioned somewhere... Please, comment that.

5. The conditions of the pre-ICO were changed, but it was not reflected on the SONDER web-site and the whitepaper. Shouldn't the solid project avoid to have such unprofessional issues?

6. At the LinkedIn pages of Kenjiro Tamaki and Benjamin Li there is nothing said about participating in SONDER. (The latter also does not have the data about his occupation at all, so we do not have a proof of that he works at Beijing Honden Capital...) How come that even a co-founder did not mention such a crucial thing for the trust for the project at his LinkedIn page?

7. What is expected cost of a future SONDER master-node and its profitability?

8. Finally, the SONDER whitepaper is extremely non-technical, so most of the properties of the proposed blockchain are rather unclear in a way of achieving them. For instance, it is said that "Immediate execution of transactions will be achieved due to a high speed of forming blocks, the consensus between the masternodes, reasonable emission schedule and the system-friendly rates". Well, immediate execution means that there must be something like >100k TPS for the SONDER use case, but a) high speed of forming blocks is not a method for increasing TPS, but actually the same thing, b) consensus between the masternodes is a regular issue, alone it cannot give you 100k TPS, c) emission schedule point is a complete nonsense! because it is supposed to be zero! the total supply is already defined and what is the emission we are talking about then?
In principle, there should be something like sharding, like in Zilliga, second-layer solutions etc. Nothing of that kind, not saying about something new, is proposed or even thoroughly described by SONDER.

Please, take my questions not as a FUD attempt, but a wish to become sure that the project is solid and it is reasonable to invest. Thank you in advance.

P.S. If someone could answer some of those questions, I would greatly appreciate it.

I guess, if those points which I drew might be argued at some point, the fact that they were not replied for nearly a week here is a real red flag. I feel that this ICO should be better passed.
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May 02, 2018, 02:35:27 AM
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you collected more than 4 million, you fellows, I'm waiting for the snr to go to the stock exchange
few days ago I saw in one YouTube video, that Sonder tokens gonna be listed on one very huge exchange, what it will be?? How do u think?

Maybe you should post a link of the source or the specific youtube video and then others can also assess whether it is realistic. The post before me states some valid concerns.
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