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October 09, 2013, 12:03:00 AM
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Say... Roll Eyes some one Scams YOU and you want to file a Lawsuit against them Huh I haven’t had this happen to me but just in case.  Wink  Grin

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October 09, 2013, 12:08:09 AM
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You'd be extremely surprised at how the smallest clue can turn into someone knowing everything about you.

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October 09, 2013, 12:09:03 AM
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Say... Roll Eyes some one Scams YOU and you want to file a Lawsuit against them Huh I haven’t had this happen to me but just in case.  Wink  Grin

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It will be likely that the admin have access to the IP address which the person log on to this forum. But if this person is a scammer, they most likely will be using Tor, so it will not be their real IP address.

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October 09, 2013, 12:13:28 AM
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Say... Roll Eyes some one Scams YOU and you want to file a Lawsuit against them Huh I haven’t had this happen to me but just in case.  Wink  Grin

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say someone scams you, then the first thing to do is to look at the IDENTIFICATION and proof you obtained from them(gaining trust) before even doing a trade with them  and use that.

if the articles in question were, well slightly illicit and that is the reason why both parties would not be willing to share identification before trading. then taking them to court may land you in as much trouble as them.

basically the lesson to learn.. if the amount of funds is more then lets say a fun night out at a bar, followed by a fast food meal at the end (you know disposible cash) and its worthy amount to take it to court then......... ASK FOR ID

i personally wouldnt do a bank transfer with a stranger for more then $100 and thats fully knowing the banks can find their details because its given when they open a bank account... so why would you trade using a non reversible form of payment that does not have identification automatically attached

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October 09, 2013, 12:31:01 AM
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Say... Roll Eyes some one Scams YOU and you want to file a Lawsuit against them Huh I haven’t had this happen to me but just in case.  Wink  Grin

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If you're talking about a civil matter, it could be an expensive exercise if they've been even half-way cautious.  Hell, pirate's RL identity was known but it's unlikely he'd have been facing any consequences at all had the feds not got involved.

You could certainly try to get an order for theymos to disclose any information the forum has related to the account.  That information may or may not be useful.   Assuming that it looks promising, you could then try get an order for email providers and/or ISPs to disclose information they have related to the account - which may or may not be useful depending on how cautious the other party has been.

Generally speaking, it's not going to be worth the effort for small claims matters.  Even if you're talking about being scammed out of large amounts, litigation is expensive and often protracted and prevailing in court is meaningless if the other party cannot pay.

You're better off taking measures to protect yourself against being scammed than hoping that a lawsuit will bring you a satisfying result in the event that you are scammed.

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October 09, 2013, 02:28:01 AM
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What happen if u have the scammer details like name and id, would police do something if i go to them?

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October 09, 2013, 02:35:15 AM
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What happen if u have the scammer details like name and id, would police do something if i go to them?


if the amount was $1000 equivalent stolen, and its costs $2000 to investigate it... don't expect the police to waste resources on something that wont produce a fine big enough to cover costs

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October 09, 2013, 02:45:04 AM
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What happen if u have the scammer details like name and id, would police do something if i go to them?


It depends what the person did...

You can't just say "this guy scammed me on this forum for $500 worth of bitcoins" because they will just laugh at your for that.

If you have something worth a good amount of money + it is some sort of legit business dealings you could have a case.
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October 09, 2013, 02:52:20 AM
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Say... Roll Eyes some one Scams YOU and you want to file a Lawsuit against them Huh I haven’t had this happen to me but just in case.  Wink  Grin

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If a person starts out intending to scam, your chances of catching them are slim to none since they will have used anonymous tools from the start.

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October 09, 2013, 03:20:38 AM
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You can easily post an image such as this:



hosted on your own website.

Then anyone who views that image, such as those that are viewing this thread, will have their IP address show up in your site logs.

You can then use those IP addresses as you wish to try to trace every viewer of that image.

You can then run hacking programs on each of those IP addresses to try to gain access to their computers.

Then once in the computer there is a wealth of information that can be found on each and every person who viewed that image.

Great stuff the Internet...

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October 09, 2013, 03:26:14 AM
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There is a scam accusation thread for that.  Like someone else said you'd be surprised how much info this community can help you find on a person. And once they are identified you be suprised how quickly some of them want to pay back.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.msg2774678#msg2774678

who scammed you and how much did they get.
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October 09, 2013, 03:49:37 AM
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There is a scam accusation thread for that.  Like someone else said you'd be surprised how much info this community can help you find on a person. And once they are identified you be suprised how quickly some of them want to pay back.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.msg2774678#msg2774678

who scammed you and how much did they get.

No one! ~ just asking ~Im in a GB and would like some info on scammers Smiley just in-case the Guy wants to run and take our BTCBTCBTC

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October 09, 2013, 03:51:54 AM
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There is a scam accusation thread for that.  Like someone else said you'd be surprised how much info this community can help you find on a person. And once they are identified you be suprised how quickly some of them want to pay back.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.msg2774678#msg2774678

who scammed you and how much did they get.

No one! ~ just asking ~Im in a GB and would like some info on scammers Smiley just in-case the Guy wants to run and take our BTCBTCBTC

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GB??

anyway...

don't even think about scamming.  You'll eventually get caught.....

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October 09, 2013, 04:04:33 AM
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Say... Roll Eyes some one Scams YOU and you want to file a Lawsuit against them Huh I haven’t had this happen to me but just in case.  Wink  Grin

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If a person starts out intending to scam, your chances of catching them are slim to none since they will have uses anonymous tools from the start.

I've been thinking this less and less lately. People keep getting caught by being shockingly lazy. Ulbricht and Shavers being the two examples most deeply burned in my mind... Experimentally, the level of laziness and arrogance is usually only matched by scam victims who the scammer must be very hard-working and smart to've scammed them.

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October 09, 2013, 04:10:21 AM
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There is a scam accusation thread for that.  Like someone else said you'd be surprised how much info this community can help you find on a person. And once they are identified you be suprised how quickly some of them want to pay back.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.msg2774678#msg2774678

who scammed you and how much did they get.

No one! ~ just asking ~Im in a GB and would like some info on scammers Smiley just in-case the Guy wants to run and take our BTCBTCBTC

Thanks Grin

GB??

anyway...

don't even think about scamming.  You'll eventually get caught.....



GB means "group buy" ~ im in a group buy ~ i am NOT that kind of person bro! but thank you for your help!

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12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

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October 09, 2013, 04:11:21 AM
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Speaking as someone who has been scammed (remember kruniac?)  It is pointless to try. Even after giving Full legal name, phone number, street address to my state troopers (and verifying above info with his local police department) nothing happened.  Short of hiring a local thug to take care of things outside of the law (I do not recommend this) you are hosed.

Your local police force won't want anything to do with it as it happened on the internet.

Their local police force won't want anything to do with it as it didn't happen in their jurisdiction, they will instruct you to file locally. (see #1)

You'll then realize that you are in a hopeless no-win hot potato game with the various authorities so you'll file with the IC3 http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx never to be heard from again.

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And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Ah, so you're just a cult wackjob trying to convert someone?

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October 09, 2013, 04:13:36 AM
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You can easily post an image such as this:



hosted on your own website.

Then anyone who views that image, such as those that are viewing this thread, will have their IP address show up in your site logs.

You can then use those IP addresses as you wish to try to trace every viewer of that image.

You can then run hacking programs on each of those IP addresses to try to gain access to their computers.

Then once in the computer there is a wealth of information that can be found on each and every person who viewed that image.

Great stuff the Internet...

Or just PM him the image so you don't have to guess at which IP it was.
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October 09, 2013, 04:21:42 AM
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And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Ah, so you're just a cult wackjob trying to convert someone?

lol ~ you got me ~

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October 09, 2013, 05:13:57 AM
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What happen if u have the scammer details like name and id, would police do something if i go to them?


It depends how they scammed you.  A lot of things people regard as scamming are civil issues rather than criminal offences, meaning there's nothing the police can do to help you.

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