[Diskussion] - Block Collider - Overline - Mineable multi-chain protocol

[nullCoiner]

trick77 hat schon in der Vergangenheit gezeigt, dass er technisch sehr versiert ist, auch wenn er seit seit Beginn eher skeptisch/kritisch ist, bin ich für die Hinweise sehr dankbar, denn ich bin es nicht. Der Punkt bei dem Ganzen ist, sollte die Blockchain wirklich "kaputt" sein, was sollen dann die ganzen NRG bringen? Wenn das weiterlaufen lassen nur zu Testzwecken für das Blockcollider Team dient, dann sollten sie das auch so kommunizieren. Ich hatte Anfangs extra nen VPS dafür gemietet, den habe ich mittlerweile gekündigt, und lass den Collider auf nem anderen VPS "nebenher" laufen, aber wenn ich monatlich für nen VPS zahlen würde, fände ich das schon ärgerlich.

Wie gesagt es geht mir nicht um Fortschritt um jeden Preis, aber kritisch hinterfragen muss erlaubt sein, und bei der Kommunikation scheint es auch Verbesserungspotential zu geben.
Im Telegram Channle BLOCK COLLIDER ADVANCED ist immer och die Nachricht vom 10. September gepinnt...

[trick77]

Zu meiner tiefen Preiserwartung von NRG: Ich mag es natürlich jedem gönnen, wenn diese jemals mehr als Cent-Bruchteile Wert sein werden! Ich sehe heute bloss keinen Grund dafür und mir konnte auch noch niemand einen nennen. Bin offen für alles!

Es wurde bereits angedeutet, dass die kaputte Blockchain-History geflickt werden soll bei der Transition von BT zu AT. Ich frage mich bloss, woher sie die dafür benötigten Hashes nehmen wollen. Da sich die zentrale BC-Infrastruktur mit jedem Miner verbindet, haben sie natürlich mehr Blöcke gesammelt als auf deren Block-Explorer zu sehen sind. Eine Reindexierung der Blockchain würde voraussetzen, dass ein gültiger Pfad vom ersten bis zum letzten Block auf den Seed-Nodes existiert. Schwer zu sagen wie wahrscheinlich das ist. Wenn es möglich ist, dann kommt für viele Miner eine (positive oder negative) Überraschung, weil die reindexierten Blöcke in vielen Fällen nicht mit den im Block-Explorer ausgewiesenen, damals gewonnenen Blöcken übereinstimmen wird. Da alle Miner aber sowieso nicht in ihr eines Ziel-Wallet minen, besitzt das BC Team ev. die Möglichkeit, durch manuelle Transaktionen die NRGs wieder zu auszugleichen. Es ist nur eines klar, nämlich dass sehr viel unklar ist. Leider wird aber auch überhaupt rein nichts dafür getan, um solche brennenden Fragestellungen zu adressieren.

[nullCoiner]

Zu meiner tiefen Preiserwartung von NRG: Ich mag es natürlich jedem gönnen, wenn diese jemals mehr als Cent-Bruchteile Wert sein werden! Ich sehe heute bloss keinen Grund dafür und mir konnte auch noch niemand einen nennen. Bin offen für alles!

Es wurde bereits angedeutet, dass die kaputte Blockchain-History geflickt werden soll bei der Transition von BT zu AT. Ich frage mich bloss, woher sie die dafür benötigten Hashes nehmen wollen. Da sich die zentrale BC-Infrastruktur mit jedem Miner verbindet, haben sie natürlich mehr Blöcke gesammelt als auf deren Block-Explorer zu sehen sind. Eine Reindexierung der Blockchain würde voraussetzen, dass ein gültiger Pfad vom ersten bis zum letzten Block auf den Seed-Nodes existiert. Schwer zu sagen wie wahrscheinlich das ist. Wenn es möglich ist, dann kommt für viele Miner eine (positive oder negative) Überraschung, weil die reindexierten Blöcke in vielen Fällen nicht mit den im Block-Explorer ausgewiesenen, damals gewonnenen Blöcken übereinstimmen wird. Da alle Miner aber sowieso nicht in ihr eines Ziel-Wallet minen, besitzt das BC Team ev. die Möglichkeit, durch manuelle Transaktionen die NRGs wieder zu auszugleichen. Es ist nur eines klar, nämlich dass sehr viel unklar ist. Leider wird aber auch überhaupt rein nichts dafür getan, um solche brennenden Fragestellungen zu adressieren.

warte nur, bis ich wieder merits habe! hehe
Ich glaube zwar nicht, dass Du Dir viel daraus machst, aber für deine Einschätzung bin ich sehr dankbar!

[mole0815]

trick77 hat schon in der Vergangenheit gezeigt, dass er technisch sehr versiert ist, auch wenn er seit seit Beginn eher skeptisch/kritisch ist, bin ich für die Hinweise sehr dankbar, denn ich bin es nicht. Der Punkt bei dem Ganzen ist, sollte die Blockchain wirklich "kaputt" sein, was sollen dann die ganzen NRG bringen? Wenn das weiterlaufen lassen nur zu Testzwecken für das Blockcollider Team dient, dann sollten sie das auch so kommunizieren. Ich hatte Anfangs extra nen VPS dafür gemietet, den habe ich mittlerweile gekündigt, und lass den Collider auf nem anderen VPS "nebenher" laufen, aber wenn ich monatlich für nen VPS zahlen würde, fände ich das schon ärgerlich.

Wie gesagt es geht mir nicht um Fortschritt um jeden Preis, aber kritisch hinterfragen muss erlaubt sein, und bei der Kommunikation scheint es auch Verbesserungspotential zu geben.
Im Telegram Channle BLOCK COLLIDER ADVANCED ist immer och die Nachricht vom 10. September gepinnt...

da stimme ich dir voll und ganz zu. mit englisch habe ich grundsätzlich kein problem... aber in verbindung mit den vielen technischen ausdrücken und der entwicklersprache ist es für mich persönlich nicht immer einfach zu verstehen was aktuell stand der dinge ist. in der gruppe für die evangelisten geht es ordentlich rund und zumindest dort läuft die kommunikation korrekt ab.

lt. meinen infos gibt es ab nächster woche (endlich!) einen wöchentlichen newsletter/report zum aktuellen stand der dinge. warten wir also noch ein paar tage ab und lassen wir uns überraschen was präsentiert wird

[Münzpräger]

Zu meiner tiefen Preiserwartung von NRG: Ich mag es natürlich jedem gönnen, wenn diese jemals mehr als Cent-Bruchteile Wert sein werden! Ich sehe heute bloss keinen Grund dafür und mir konnte auch noch niemand einen nennen. Bin offen für alles!

Es wurde bereits angedeutet, dass die kaputte Blockchain-History geflickt werden soll bei der Transition von BT zu AT. Ich frage mich bloss, woher sie die dafür benötigten Hashes nehmen wollen. Da sich die zentrale BC-Infrastruktur mit jedem Miner verbindet, haben sie natürlich mehr Blöcke gesammelt als auf deren Block-Explorer zu sehen sind. Eine Reindexierung der Blockchain würde voraussetzen, dass ein gültiger Pfad vom ersten bis zum letzten Block auf den Seed-Nodes existiert. Schwer zu sagen wie wahrscheinlich das ist. Wenn es möglich ist, dann kommt für viele Miner eine (positive oder negative) Überraschung, weil die reindexierten Blöcke in vielen Fällen nicht mit den im Block-Explorer ausgewiesenen, damals gewonnenen Blöcken übereinstimmen wird. Da alle Miner aber sowieso nicht in ihr eines Ziel-Wallet minen, besitzt das BC Team ev. die Möglichkeit, durch manuelle Transaktionen die NRGs wieder zu auszugleichen. Es ist nur eines klar, nämlich dass sehr viel unklar ist. Leider wird aber auch überhaupt rein nichts dafür getan, um solche brennenden Fragestellungen zu adressieren.

Danke für die schonungslose Analyse. Ich habe in den letzten Wochen nicht mehr so aktiv im Telegram mitgelesen. Jetzt frage ich mich, ob die mangelnde Kommunikation halt mit einem nerdigen Team zu erklären ist. Sie sitzen eben an den von dir beschriebenen Problemen und bekommen sie momentan nicht in den Griff. Da sagen sie lieber gar nichts.

Langfristige use cases wurden irgendwann mal genannt. Ich glaube, es ging in Richtung zusätzliche Absicherung der 5 chains und etwas in Richtung DEX.

[chrysophylax]

Where is the english version of this thread please? ...

#crysx

[mole0815]

Where is the english version of this thread please? ...

#crysx

Hello, what I know there is none. Only this thread here in the German area.

You would have to open the English one first

[chrysophylax]

Where is the english version of this thread please? ...

#crysx

Hello, what I know there is none. Only this thread here in the German area.

You would have to open the English one first

WOW! ...

So eliminating the ENTIRE world (with English being the GLOBAL language for communication) so that only those that speak German can relate here?

Not a very smart way of doing this.

Maybe the devs first language is German, but surely to remove the majority of the globe from joining in the conversation here is a pretty ridiculous way of working in BCT. Oh well - good luck with that!

#crysx

[nullCoiner]

Where is the english version of this thread please? ...

#crysx

Hello, what I know there is none. Only this thread here in the German area.

You would have to open the English one first

WOW! ...

So eliminating the ENTIRE world (with English being the GLOBAL language for communication) so that only those that speak German can relate here?

Not a very smart way of doing this.

Maybe the devs first language is German, but surely to remove the majority of the globe from joining in the conversation here is a pretty ridiculous way of working in BCT. Oh well - good luck with that!

#crysx

this is a community thread, i have no idea why noone opened an English thread. As far as i know they are located in the USA   seems they just didn't open an thread in this forum.
you can follow their social channels or join their https://t.me/blockcollider channel which is English.

[WorldCoiner]

Where is the english version of this thread please? ...

#crysx

Hello, what I know there is none. Only this thread here in the German area.

You would have to open the English one first

WOW! ...

So eliminating the ENTIRE world (with English being the GLOBAL language for communication) so that only those that speak German can relate here?

Not a very smart way of doing this.

Maybe the devs first language is German, but surely to remove the majority of the globe from joining in the conversation here is a pretty ridiculous way of working in BCT. Oh well - good luck with that!

#crysx

I have created this thread because I find this project interesting. I'm not related with the project.
If you don't like the German language here, feel free to create a English speaking Thread and leave here.
Half of my posts are in English, but not here of course, this is the German section.

So bye bye!

[mole0815]

hier noch etwas der vollständigkeit halber
https://twitter.com/blockcollider

gestern wurden aktuelle infos ganz im bitcoin original style verbreitet.
block collider: http://blockcollider.org/mailing.html
bitcoin (vor 10 jahren): https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/emails/cryptography/1/

das block collider lightpaper wird es bald in diversen sprachen geben... und bald sollte es mir den regelmäßigen updates losgehen

[chrysophylax]

Where is the english version of this thread please? ...

#crysx

Hello, what I know there is none. Only this thread here in the German area.

You would have to open the English one first

WOW! ...

So eliminating the ENTIRE world (with English being the GLOBAL language for communication) so that only those that speak German can relate here?

Not a very smart way of doing this.

Maybe the devs first language is German, but surely to remove the majority of the globe from joining in the conversation here is a pretty ridiculous way of working in BCT. Oh well - good luck with that!

#crysx

I have created this thread because I find this project interesting. I'm not related with the project.
If you don't like the German language here, feel free to create a English speaking Thread and leave here.
Half of my posts are in English, but not here of course, this is the German section.

So bye bye!

It is not about opening a thread or not ...

It is about the location and integrity of a project that decides against creating a thread on what can be called the 'standard' of forum communication - BitCoinTalk. If it is simply to inform or to allow communities to engage, it makes sense that the threads are in english AS WELL AS any other language you deem to be important.

AS for you affront to the courtesy given by you in your ways of ensuring people actually see this as serious, then 'bye bye' back!

Astounding!

#crysx

[chrysophylax]

Where is the english version of this thread please? ...

#crysx

Hello, what I know there is none. Only this thread here in the German area.

You would have to open the English one first

WOW! ...

So eliminating the ENTIRE world (with English being the GLOBAL language for communication) so that only those that speak German can relate here?

Not a very smart way of doing this.

Maybe the devs first language is German, but surely to remove the majority of the globe from joining in the conversation here is a pretty ridiculous way of working in BCT. Oh well - good luck with that!

#crysx

this is a community thread, i have no idea why noone opened an English thread. As far as i know they are located in the USA   seems they just didn't open an thread in this forum.
you can follow their social channels or join their https://t.me/blockcollider channel which is English.

A community thread is all good and well ...

I guess there are those in the core team that don't think it to be important enough. Such a bad decision to do so, considering BitCoinTalk IS the largest and common forum where the CryptoWorld meets.

Maybe someone will open an english thread - I certainly won't. With the level of care for outsiders in this project (paradoxical to it's core intent of joining blockchains from all over), my company and myself will not even bother any longer. Sad, as it seems to be a project to back in the long term, which surely dies when they (the core team) don't even consider a forum like BCT. I am not insinuating that you, or this WorldCoiner is part of the core team, I am saying that it is a sorely overlooked and very important point not to at least have included an English thread.

Great work Block Collider Team

#crysx

[Münzpräger]

Where is the english version of this thread please? ...

#crysx

Hello, what I know there is none. Only this thread here in the German area.

You would have to open the English one first

WOW! ...

So eliminating the ENTIRE world (with English being the GLOBAL language for communication) so that only those that speak German can relate here?

Not a very smart way of doing this.

Maybe the devs first language is German, but surely to remove the majority of the globe from joining in the conversation here is a pretty ridiculous way of working in BCT. Oh well - good luck with that!

#crysx

this is a community thread, i have no idea why noone opened an English thread. As far as i know they are located in the USA   seems they just didn't open an thread in this forum.
you can follow their social channels or join their https://t.me/blockcollider channel which is English.

A community thread is all good and well ...

I guess there are those in the core team that don't think it to be important enough. Such a bad decision to do so, considering BitCoinTalk IS the largest and common forum where the CryptoWorld meets.

Maybe someone will open an english thread - I certainly won't. With the level of care for outsiders in this project (paradoxical to it's core intent of joining blockchains from all over), my company and myself will not even bother any longer. Sad, as it seems to be a project to back in the long term, which surely dies when they (the core team) don't even consider a forum like BCT. I am not insinuating that you, or this WorldCoiner is part of the core team, I am saying that it is a sorely overlooked and very important point not to at least have included an English thread.

Great work Block Collider Team

#crysx

As far as I know the team never intended to open an ANN on this forum. Their private sale and presale was quickly sold out without any marketing here. The community discussions are mostly done on Telegram.

[WorldCoiner]

Where is the english version of this thread please? ...

#crysx

Hello, what I know there is none. Only this thread here in the German area.

You would have to open the English one first

WOW! ...

So eliminating the ENTIRE world (with English being the GLOBAL language for communication) so that only those that speak German can relate here?

Not a very smart way of doing this.

Maybe the devs first language is German, but surely to remove the majority of the globe from joining in the conversation here is a pretty ridiculous way of working in BCT. Oh well - good luck with that!

#crysx

this is a community thread, i have no idea why noone opened an English thread. As far as i know they are located in the USA  seems they just didn't open an thread in this forum.
you can follow their social channels or join their https://t.me/blockcollider channel which is English.

A community thread is all good and well ...

I guess there are those in the core team that don't think it to be important enough. Such a bad decision to do so, considering BitCoinTalk IS the largest and common forum where the CryptoWorld meets.

Maybe someone will open an english thread - I certainly won't. With the level of care for outsiders in this project (paradoxical to it's core intent of joining blockchains from all over), my company and myself will not even bother any longer. Sad, as it seems to be a project to back in the long term, which surely dies when they (the core team) don't even consider a forum like BCT. I am not insinuating that you, or this WorldCoiner is part of the core team, I am saying that it is a sorely overlooked and very important point not to at least have included an English thread.

Great work Block Collider Team

#crysx

Let's be frank: BitcoinTalk has lost a hell lot of impact within the last two years. I can understand any project wants to leave that out.
For all project I cover we have decided to go at least for an English Announcement Thread.
But impact and activity very limited if you compare it with pre 2017 times.

[Unknown01]

Dear community members, if you want to talk about Block Collider in english, please open your own thread in the english section of this forum. This section is for german speaking people, i can understand you, that you also want to talk about this project but please not here.

Ich entschuldige mich für mein schlechtes Englisch, hoffe auch das ich jetzt mich „beschweren“ darf aber ich schreibe im englischen Bereih auch keine deutschen Texte


P.s. Keine rassistische Hintergründe, nicht falsch verstehen!

[bct_ail]

So langsam kriegt der Drache aus dem Märchen Bauer Giles von Ham seinen englischsprachigen Thread 

Let's be frank: BitcoinTalk has lost a hell lot of impact within the last two years.

Marc, welche anderen Kanäle sind nun optimaler? Auch für uns Investoren?

[chrysophylax]

Where is the english version of this thread please? ...

#crysx

Hello, what I know there is none. Only this thread here in the German area.

You would have to open the English one first

WOW! ...

So eliminating the ENTIRE world (with English being the GLOBAL language for communication) so that only those that speak German can relate here?

Not a very smart way of doing this.

Maybe the devs first language is German, but surely to remove the majority of the globe from joining in the conversation here is a pretty ridiculous way of working in BCT. Oh well - good luck with that!

#crysx

this is a community thread, i have no idea why noone opened an English thread. As far as i know they are located in the USA   seems they just didn't open an thread in this forum.
you can follow their social channels or join their https://t.me/blockcollider channel which is English.

A community thread is all good and well ...

I guess there are those in the core team that don't think it to be important enough. Such a bad decision to do so, considering BitCoinTalk IS the largest and common forum where the CryptoWorld meets.

Maybe someone will open an english thread - I certainly won't. With the level of care for outsiders in this project (paradoxical to it's core intent of joining blockchains from all over), my company and myself will not even bother any longer. Sad, as it seems to be a project to back in the long term, which surely dies when they (the core team) don't even consider a forum like BCT. I am not insinuating that you, or this WorldCoiner is part of the core team, I am saying that it is a sorely overlooked and very important point not to at least have included an English thread.

Great work Block Collider Team

#crysx

As far as I know the team never intended to open an ANN on this forum. Their private sale and presale was quickly sold out without any marketing here. The community discussions are mostly done on Telegram.

Understood ...

I still believe that it 'should' have been setup, even if just as a token to the CryptoIndustry and CryptoSpace, as the presale and sellout is absolutely no indication of the potential of success. Many have sold out and cleaned up with ICO, and failed only months later, or worse still, ripped everyone off and disappeared.

Anyway, is all good.

#crysx

[chrysophylax]

Where is the english version of this thread please? ...

#crysx

Hello, what I know there is none. Only this thread here in the German area.

You would have to open the English one first

WOW! ...

So eliminating the ENTIRE world (with English being the GLOBAL language for communication) so that only those that speak German can relate here?

Not a very smart way of doing this.

Maybe the devs first language is German, but surely to remove the majority of the globe from joining in the conversation here is a pretty ridiculous way of working in BCT. Oh well - good luck with that!

#crysx

this is a community thread, i have no idea why noone opened an English thread. As far as i know they are located in the USA   seems they just didn't open an thread in this forum.
you can follow their social channels or join their https://t.me/blockcollider channel which is English.

A community thread is all good and well ...

I guess there are those in the core team that don't think it to be important enough. Such a bad decision to do so, considering BitCoinTalk IS the largest and common forum where the CryptoWorld meets.

Maybe someone will open an english thread - I certainly won't. With the level of care for outsiders in this project (paradoxical to it's core intent of joining blockchains from all over), my company and myself will not even bother any longer. Sad, as it seems to be a project to back in the long term, which surely dies when they (the core team) don't even consider a forum like BCT. I am not insinuating that you, or this WorldCoiner is part of the core team, I am saying that it is a sorely overlooked and very important point not to at least have included an English thread.

Great work Block Collider Team

#crysx

Let's be frank: BitcoinTalk has lost a hell lot of impact within the last two years. I can understand any project wants to leave that out.
For all project I cover we have decided to go at least for an English Announcement Thread.
But impact and activity very limited if you compare it with pre 2017 times.

yup - Fair enough ...

So this is YOUR thread in support of a project that refuses to setup a thread here on an 'official' basis. This alone sends signals out to the industry that if you are setting up a thread, then the need for such a thread is large enough. Admittedly though, I must agree with you on the point that due to many factors such as bots and imbeciles posting, there is a large percentage of people that have lost faith in BCT in general. That though does not negate that there really should be one from the project itself, which in turn shows me personally their 'zero' care factor. Probably a great project, but without the required effort in catering to the CryptoCommunity, this project will be a money grab like most others.

I hope I am wrong for your sake.

#crysx

[WorldCoiner]

So langsam kriegt der Drache aus dem Märchen Bauer Giles von Ham seinen englischsprachigen Thread 

Let's be frank: BitcoinTalk has lost a hell lot of impact within the last two years.

Marc, welche anderen Kanäle sind nun optimaler? Auch für uns Investoren?

Das ist leider ein Problem. Früher ging über das Quasi-Monopol von Bitcointalk nichts an der breiten Crypto-Community vorbei.
Jetzt ist es viel fragmentierter geworden.
Schlimmer noch: Die wirklich interessanten Deals finden jetzt B2B statt:
Beispiel: Crypto-Projekt geht zu Polychain, lässt sich dort durchfinanzieren. Erst ganz am Schluss und einer Valuation von über 50 Millionen, "dürfen" dann die kleinen Investoren ran, während Polychain schon seinen 1000% Schnitt macht. Deshalb wird es für die "normalen Investoren" immer schwieriger günstige Perlen zu finden. Diese sind oftmals zu Beginn bereits voll "Intitutionalisiert" über Private Equity Funds und Angel Investoren. Was an ICOs noch normal durch geht ist oftmals eine überteuerte Resterampe...