Merit Cycling

[nniecan001]

So I was interested in how to obtain merit and so I looked at a few profiles of members with a large amount of merits (250+) and saw that a few seemed to be sending merits backwards and forwards to each other repeatedly. I’m assuming they were either to friends or his alts but surely this is against BCT rules and should be cracked down upon?

For me, it's their own rights if they want to send who ever they want inside the bitcointalk.org . As long as no evidence of selling or buying merit, and of course, there's system and process too that may review all the merit sent if that is accountable to be awarded. I think some people did that , cause they need to survive and rank up here, for being honest, it's hard to have merit cause it's very limited.

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[Daboy_Lyle]

So I was interested in how to obtain merit and so I looked at a few profiles of members with a large amount of merits (250+) and saw that a few seemed to be sending merits backwards and forwards to each other repeatedly. I’m assuming they were either to friends or his alts but surely this is against BCT rules and should be cracked down upon?

If you remember those users you can report them on here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.0 they're not following rules that's the big problem on this forum. Following rules may assured to avoid account being punished. When the merit comes there are many problems because of that like account farming and giving merit to each other which is not allowed.

[Kevin77]

So I was interested in how to obtain merit and so I looked at a few profiles of members with a large amount of merits (250+) and saw that a few seemed to be sending merits backwards and forwards to each other repeatedly. I’m assuming they were either to friends or his alts but surely this is against BCT rules and should be cracked down upon?

I think you have a point, but the rules doesn’t have that limitation. You have the freedom to send śmerits according to your discretion to a constructive post or someone deserve it. If you have found abusive use of this system, it is better to report it in meta as there is an existing thread about that. And just move this post, as it isn’t belong in Marketplace. Merit System discussion is a forum related issue that can be found in Meta Section. Proof is needed in accusing someone a friend of or an alt if anyone to establish this connection.

If that is really true... Don't you think that will be difficult to prove? Yeah! You are right about proof instead of throwing wild accusation.

Apparently, it would be difficult to prove and it would just count as mere accusation as the person in question can easily deny it unless it is just glaring to the point that a sane human can know that a particular post does not deserve a huge merit. I have seen a shit post with a huge merit before and I just smiled, funny enough, someone already reported the linked accounts and the person was dealt with, so at the end, there are some that are being punished if glaring.

[Silberman]

So I was interested in how to obtain merit and so I looked at a few profiles of members with a large amount of merits (250+) and saw that a few seemed to be sending merits backwards and forwards to each other repeatedly. I’m assuming they were either to friends or his alts but surely this is against BCT rules and should be cracked down upon?

If you found some users doing this then report them, create a thread in the meta section of the forum and expose those members to the community if you think they are abusing the system, if you are right someone is going to give a negative rating, there are many people abusing the system but there is not enough people to police it and to look around at every single merited post.

[Digital_Lord]

So I was interested in how to obtain merit and so I looked at a few profiles of members with a large amount of merits (250+) and saw that a few seemed to be sending merits backwards and forwards to each other repeatedly. I’m assuming they were either to friends or his alts but surely this is against BCT rules and should be cracked down upon?

That is a whole lot shitty but since you cannot prove anything, I guess there is nothing anyone can be able to do about it. At the end, the merit still favors those who have legendary alts with a lot to dash out but at the end will only end up giving it to the person they feel like if they want to do at all, but at the long shot of it, whether they are giving it to alts, or cycling among friends, what can anyone do? If you see anything fishy though, you can always report on the accusation thread of anyone once you have a proof.

[LuffyD.Monkey]

So I was interested in how to obtain merit and so I looked at a few profiles of members with a large amount of merits (250+) and saw that a few seemed to be sending merits backwards and forwards to each other repeatedly. I’m assuming they were either to friends or his alts but surely this is against BCT rules and should be cracked down upon?

I think you have a point, but the rules doesn’t have that limitation. You have the freedom to send śmerits according to your discretion to a constructive post or someone deserve it. If you have found abusive use of this system, it is better to report it in meta as there is an existing thread about that. And just move this post, as it isn’t belong in Marketplace. Merit System discussion is a forum related issue that can be found in Meta Section. Proof is needed in accusing someone a friend of or an alt if anyone to establish this connection.

If that is really true... Don't you think that will be difficult to prove? Yeah! You are right about proof instead of throwing wild accusation.

Proving something needs more than accusing anyone of anything, proper investigations and technical analysis is needed. That’s why, those who are doing such effort has to be applauded because it’s not a easy job and most shocking is DT (default trust) or other members, doing it for free. To help this forum and the members to have a better place to discuss freely without us being annoyed about spammers.

Yeah, it is not really easy trying to link up some of these accounts, but some are really doing a great job helping to fish out those abusers anyway. The way the merit system is, some will definitely be benefitting a lot from it and most especially some legend that may have several smaller alts to want to pimp up, but for how long before getting caught and it may be like that for now, but over time, some will suffer losing their accounts for such reasons and apparently, some will have to be the scape goats, since merits cannot be deleted.

[Mister1k]

So I was interested in how to obtain merit and so I looked at a few profiles of members with a large amount of merits (250+) and saw that a few seemed to be sending merits backwards and forwards to each other repeatedly. I’m assuming they were either to friends or his alts but surely this is against BCT rules and should be cracked down upon?

That is a whole lot shitty but since you cannot prove anything, I guess there is nothing anyone can be able to do about it. At the end, the merit still favors those who have legendary alts with a lot to dash out but at the end will only end up giving it to the person they feel like if they want to do at all, but at the long shot of it, whether they are giving it to alts, or cycling among friends, what can anyone do? If you see anything fishy though, you can always report on the accusation thread of anyone once you have a proof.

Hilariousandco already doing this good. If you feel that someone utilizing this merit system and trying to scam someone with that. You need to report this to him.
I see that he has taken serious steps like giving negative trust to signature spammers who are all utilising this just exchanging the merits like selling the merits. Hope everything will be resolved if reach him.

[yojodojo21]

So I was interested in how to obtain merit and so I looked at a few profiles of members with a large amount of merits (250+) and saw that a few seemed to be sending merits backwards and forwards to each other repeatedly. I’m assuming they were either to friends or his alts but surely this is against BCT rules and should be cracked down upon?

Maybe you should have Post this complain to Reputation section, or if it pertains to the forum situation with this Merit meta Section is the right section to Post This. And before saying something you should have to be clear with your statement, if you are pointing to somebody else's merits received/send then you should post some proof to it for validation of the issue. accusing somebody is not a good idea without an accurate evidence, you made the right choice not posting some names without evidence or you'll get tagged with your shady complain.

[jakezyrus]

So I was interested in how to obtain merit and so I looked at a few profiles of members with a large amount of merits (250+) and saw that a few seemed to be sending merits backwards and forwards to each other repeatedly. I’m assuming they were either to friends or his alts but surely this is against BCT rules and should be cracked down upon?

Maybe you should have Post this complain to Reputation section, or if it pertains to the forum situation with this Merit meta Section is the right section to Post This. And before saying something you should have to be clear with your statement, if you are pointing to somebody else's merits received/send then you should post some proof to it for validation of the issue. accusing somebody is not a good idea without an accurate evidence, you made the right choice not posting some names without evidence or you'll get tagged with your shady complain.

Op doesnt deserve to get tagged because he is only helping to bust those cheaters and greedy people in this forum. We should actually thanked op in the first place rather than keep complaining about his good deeds. i myself do also caught a bunch of cheaters in the past but i forgot to report them and i was also busy that time but next time they cannot get away with me if our roads Would come across again.

[PJFry]

It is a bit discouraging to see that due to the time I joined I won't be able to rank up as easily.  Has there been any discussion by the moderators about possibly removing the merit system?

[jossiel]

Has there been any discussion by the moderators about possibly removing the merit system?

Give it time and let it run for a long time. I haven't seen that there will an implementation that the merit system will be removed.

The system runs well and is helping to give the forum a way to clean with account farmers and even the buyers. At least this is effective and if theymos sees this to be beneficial to the forum I doubt it will be removed.

It is a bit discouraging to see that due to the time I joined I won't be able to rank up as easily. 

You can still rank up, you only have to post just the way you want but don't spam.

[carlfebz2]

So I was interested in how to obtain merit and so I looked at a few profiles of members with a large amount of merits (250+) and saw that a few seemed to be sending merits backwards and forwards to each other repeatedly. I’m assuming they were either to friends or his alts but surely this is against BCT rules and should be cracked down upon?

That is a whole lot shitty but since you cannot prove anything, I guess there is nothing anyone can be able to do about it. At the end, the merit still favors those who have legendary alts with a lot to dash out but at the end will only end up giving it to the person they feel like if they want to do at all, but at the long shot of it, whether they are giving it to alts, or cycling among friends, what can anyone do? If you see anything fishy though, you can always report on the accusation thread of anyone once you have a proof.

Hilariousandco already doing this good. If you feel that someone utilizing this merit system and trying to scam someone with that. You need to report this to him.
I see that he has taken serious steps like giving negative trust to signature spammers who are all utilising this just exchanging the merits like selling the merits. Hope everything will be resolved if reach him.

Global mod hilarious is really doing fine in regards with fighting on those merit abusers and the community can anytime make reports if theres a malicious or suspicious exchange with these merits.It isn't bad for those people who do exchange merits as long those post being merited are really worth of.If those post aren't good or doesn't contribute at all then its really shady and you do really have the right to report on.

[nniecan001]

I think you should create a topic at Reputation section to report about this case. I can ensure that you'll get merit for your work and all these account will be tagged because of abusing merit system. Although they know but they think they're really lucky and they'll not be founded out. LOL

Most of the moderator will be busy by finding and searching a thousand of bitcointalk user, cause most of us will do anything just to survive this merit era( some did a good post, some are not like selling merit etc. ) . Well if the author have a enough evidence, he is free to do that for sure. The link above is good section to report those who abuse the merit era.

[SirLancelot]

I think you should create a topic at Reputation section to report about this case. I can ensure that you'll get merit for your work and all these account will be tagged because of abusing merit system. Although they know but they think they're really lucky and they'll not be founded out. LOL

Exactly and that would really help in cleaning the system anyway. I have seen a lot of posts that actually do not deserve merit and if someone can even start from there by tagging them, it should really help a lot.

It is one thing for us to see some shady stuffs going on and it is another thing for us to expose such actions to the public rather than silently complaining about it. The whole idea is to have a sane system and as long as that keeps happening, then it is fine.

[BillCoin]

That's a point, but the system is still new so I am pretty sure that changes are going to be happened.
There is no chance that people will be able to send 100 merits to other people, I think that they should set a limit of 10% of your current merit, which means that if you have 100 merit available for sending, then you will only be able to send 10% of it to other people.

The real problem about merit is that usually people just keep it for themself or they are not aware of the system, so you are actually end up without getting any merits even though you have some helpful answers.

[zeaderza]

So I was interested in how to obtain merit and so I looked at a few profiles of members with a large amount of merits (250+) and saw that a few seemed to be sending merits backwards and forwards to each other repeatedly. I’m assuming they were either to friends or his alts but surely this is against BCT rules and should be cracked down upon?

If you remember those users you can report them on here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.0 they're not following rules that's the big problem on this forum. Following rules may assured to avoid account being punished. When the merit comes there are many problems because of that like account farming and giving merit to each other which is not allowed.

As long as there is a room to report such activities, then I do not see why we should be complaining about merit cycling. It is expected and some will definitely be the scape goats before we start having some sanity with the merit system.

If anyone feels there is anything shady with a particular account and can show some proof, I do not see any reason why they cannot report it to the mods and since they have given room for that, then we should please do.

[BTCappu]

So I was interested in how to obtain merit and so I looked at a few profiles of members with a large amount of merits (250+) and saw that a few seemed to be sending merits backwards and forwards to each other repeatedly. I’m assuming they were either to friends or his alts but surely this is against BCT rules and should be cracked down upon?

For me, it's their own rights if they want to send who ever they want inside the bitcointalk.org . As long as no evidence of selling or buying merit, and of course, there's system and process too that may review all the merit sent if that is accountable to be awarded. I think some people did that , cause they need to survive and rank up here, for being honest, it's hard to have merit cause it's very limited.

Just the plain fact. Sure, some people may be abusing it by giving their alt account merits even after dropping shit posts which makes it even more glaring as to how crazily annoying some accounts can be. This type of accounts can easily be flagged and reported to moderators. However, for those who are using theirs and not going against any of the rule, I really do not see why anyone should be bothered about how they share their merit.

[swscowods]

Well, some members do it and they will always give you good reasons why the other person deserves the merit. If truly this is how the merit system will be then its not what we hope for. But the good thing here is that, there is less shit posting in the forum now since the merit system started. OP, if you notice and have a genuine investigation concerning members  whom are sharing merit to each others then simply report to moderators with proofs and references and they will look into it. And I think this should be moved to the Meta section.

It is funny though that even in the merit system, there would still be some sort of monopoly. Also, I have seen some legendary accounts getting merited when they really do not need it anyway unless theymos want to decide to add an upper level to legendary account.

Those who need it and deserve it should be given but if anyone decides to give it to anyone they please, it is their merit, and they can decide to do it however they wish.

[EugeneReigns]

I think this merit system is a good idea, by itself. Because quality must always prevail over quantity. Higher rank definitely has to be earned through efforts and hard work, not through excessive spamming and flooding.
But actually, the system of merit rewarding is poorly considered, what results in regular infringements.
First, the majority of the bitcointalkers just send merits to each other encouraging only themselves.
For the second, it created "shadow" segment of the market, where the participants exchange or even sell merits, and that is very difficult to prove sometimes.
And the most significant flaw of this system is that the majority of active forum members work so hard, write a lot of decent information, initiate sometimes very actual discussions, share the ways of solving a lot of trading and other issues, but nobody ever appreciates their effort and don't even send a single merit. Why? That is quite easy to understand. The forum "whales" very rarely pay attention to "newbies'" posts (I mean not only newbie ranks) and often consider all their posts as useless junk because they already know the information provided by them, and the "whales" can't apprehend that the majority of other users don't know it and it is the useful information for others. Eventually, only the "whales" like Hero and Legendary don't need merits, they have lots of them, but they still reluctantly reward decent efforts of newcomers.
Talking about the others (Members, Full Members, Senior Members), they naturally don't wanna send their smerits because they also trying to reach higher ranks but in order to reach them, they have to collect plenty of them. And of course, they know very well how hard it is to receive a single merit, that's why nobody wants to share them, in order not to make this task easier for the others. "Why should I give it to somebody? I busted my **s out to get those merits (and rank) one by one, with hard work. Why should I pave the way for the others? It's not of my concern."

I think this system needs revision and amendments, taking into account all its flaws. My suggestion is that forum's moderators or other assigned users have to check other users' activity and contribution. If a user was active, useful for the forum, its quantity of posts exceeds the required for the next rank, such moderators or assigned users have to check their posts and participation in forum's discussions or problem solutions. And if this person finds his contribution valuable for Bitcointalk, then he might reward him with the required amount of merits (or part of it if its contribution or efficiency is still not enough) to reach the next rank if he really deserves it.

[pinkpanther03]

So I was interested in how to obtain merit and so I looked at a few profiles of members with a large amount of merits (250+) and saw that a few seemed to be sending merits backwards and forwards to each other repeatedly. I’m assuming they were either to friends or his alts but surely this is against BCT rules and should be cracked down upon?

I think to obtain merit, having a lot of friend here who trusted you so much was an advantage for sure. Then, if you are a newbie and don't have any friend here in the forum I think it would hard for you to gain merit. Because, in my opinion smerit is depending on your discretion or decision on which topic or to whom who gonna give a smerit whether it is constructive or not.