Scam Accusation: Magazine, wants a website, doesn't pay.

[Mitchell]

Hello everyone,
I think it's time that I made my first scam accusation, because I have had it.

Magazine wanted a website developer for a project (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281197.0). I had talked with him before, so I send him a PM and offered my service for a price range between BTC0.2 and BTC0.5. He said the following:


During the website creation process the communication went a bit rusty, no responses even when he was online and I had to wait quite a bit for an answer. But well that can happen right? Anyway everything went well and we talked about the website. He said that it looks great:


When I finished the website, I asked him multiple times if he agrees with how it looks (I fixed a few bugs too click) and if we could go to the next step which was payment and handing over the source files (the finished product can be found here):


Now, after a freaking long time, I finally got a response:


Now he is trying to accuse me of fucking up and even gave me negative reputation with the following message:

Tried to make me a website, it was very bad and unusable and then tried to make me pay for it and tried to scam me out of 0.4 for the work that wasn't done.

AVOID AT ALL COSTS IN WEB DEVELOPMENT.

I spend quite a while on that website and I believe that time = money.
I could have done something useful with my time, but instead I wasted it on this guy.

[greyhawk]

I spend quite a while on that website and I believe that time = money.

No, you didn't. That site can't have taken more then 2 minutes in Bootstrap. Add 3 minutes for copy & pasting javascript code.

[Mitchell]

I spend quite a while on that website and I believe that time = money.

No, you didn't. That site can't have taken more then 2 minutes in Bootstrap. Add 3 minutes for copy & pasting javascript code.

For you maybe, but I never used BootStrap nor used that kind of Javascript. It took me a while to implement it right and use the custom theme. I won't say it took me more then 5/6 hours in total, but it took me some time + a lot of waiting for Magazine to reply, before I could continue working.

Still, he agreed with the price I gave him when I started working on it and that deal should be honored.

[greyhawk]

Still, he agreed with the price I gave him when I started working on it and that deal should be honored.

That of course is correct.

[Magazine]

If you play around with the currency and the price it flickers random prices, I would be happy to purchase the finished job if the OP would tidy it up and then we can both remove our negative rep and move on it's 0.4 I am not some scum bag who can't pay it I just want a nice fresh bug free website.

[Mitchell]

If you play around with the currency and the price it flickers random prices, I would be happy to purchase the finished job if the OP would tidy it up and then we can both remove our negative rep and move on it's 0.4 I am not some scum bag who can't pay it I just want a nice fresh bug free website.

You could have told me that instead of ignoring my pm's, -rep'ing me for no reason and sending me those childish PM's.
Also, I don't have the same problem you are complaining about. If the price updates it flickers three times, that is an effect I added. I can easily remove it.

[greyhawk]

If you play around with the currency and the price it flickers random prices, I would be happy to purchase the finished job if the OP would tidy it up and then we can both remove our negative rep and move on it's 0.4 I am not some scum bag who can't pay it I just want a nice fresh bug free website.

You could have told me that instead of ignoring my pm's, -rep'ing me for no reason and sending me those childish PM's.
Also, I don't have the same problem you are complaining about. If the price updates it flickers three times, that is an effect I added. I can easily remove it.

The prices are correct, though you have a bug where if one edits the value field (  id="output" ), prices will no longer be updated, even if forcing an update by changing the currency. The field should either be not editable at all by the user or if editable, should support a currency->BTC conversion without killing the API call to bitcoinaverage

[Magazine]

If you play around with the currency and the price it flickers random prices, I would be happy to purchase the finished job if the OP would tidy it up and then we can both remove our negative rep and move on it's 0.4 I am not some scum bag who can't pay it I just want a nice fresh bug free website.

You could have told me that instead of ignoring my pm's, -rep'ing me for no reason and sending me those childish PM's.
Also, I don't have the same problem you are complaining about. If the price updates it flickers three times, that is an effect I added. I can easily remove it.

The prices are correct, though you have a bug where if one edits the value field (  id="output" ), prices will no longer be updated, even if forcing an update by changing the currency. The field should either be not editable at all by the user or if editable, should support a currency->BTC conversion without killing the API call to bitcoinaverage

Be honest, would you pay for something that is buggy.

[Mitchell]

If you play around with the currency and the price it flickers random prices, I would be happy to purchase the finished job if the OP would tidy it up and then we can both remove our negative rep and move on it's 0.4 I am not some scum bag who can't pay it I just want a nice fresh bug free website.

You could have told me that instead of ignoring my pm's, -rep'ing me for no reason and sending me those childish PM's.
Also, I don't have the same problem you are complaining about. If the price updates it flickers three times, that is an effect I added. I can easily remove it.

The prices are correct, though you have a bug where if one edits the value field (  id="output" ), prices will no longer be updated, even if forcing an update by changing the currency. The field should either be not editable at all by the user or if editable, should support a currency->BTC conversion without killing the API call to bitcoinaverage

When I change the value and wait/change the currency it updates for me... I will gladly make a video to prove this.

[Mitchell]

If you play around with the currency and the price it flickers random prices, I would be happy to purchase the finished job if the OP would tidy it up and then we can both remove our negative rep and move on it's 0.4 I am not some scum bag who can't pay it I just want a nice fresh bug free website.

You could have told me that instead of ignoring my pm's, -rep'ing me for no reason and sending me those childish PM's.
Also, I don't have the same problem you are complaining about. If the price updates it flickers three times, that is an effect I added. I can easily remove it.

The prices are correct, though you have a bug where if one edits the value field (  id="output" ), prices will no longer be updated, even if forcing an update by changing the currency. The field should either be not editable at all by the user or if editable, should support a currency->BTC conversion without killing the API call to bitcoinaverage

Be honest, would you pay for something that is buggy.

Acting childish and ignoring me is something different then telling me there is another bug. I would have fixed it, no problem. I already fixed one before, remember:


I also asked you if the website was okay and if you wanted to go the next step. If it wasn't, why didn't you answer me and told me what the problem was?

[Magazine]

Well I ain't paying for something that's buggy.

[greyhawk]

If you play around with the currency and the price it flickers random prices, I would be happy to purchase the finished job if the OP would tidy it up and then we can both remove our negative rep and move on it's 0.4 I am not some scum bag who can't pay it I just want a nice fresh bug free website.

You could have told me that instead of ignoring my pm's, -rep'ing me for no reason and sending me those childish PM's.
Also, I don't have the same problem you are complaining about. If the price updates it flickers three times, that is an effect I added. I can easily remove it.

The prices are correct, though you have a bug where if one edits the value field (  id="output" ), prices will no longer be updated, even if forcing an update by changing the currency. The field should either be not editable at all by the user or if editable, should support a currency->BTC conversion without killing the API call to bitcoinaverage

Be honest, would you pay for something that is buggy.

Bugs are a thing that will invariably crop up during development and even later when the system is used. You can't avoid that. I spend about half to a million USD per year in my job on custom software development and I have never seen a project that works flawlessly from the day of ordering. That is the part where one has to get together with the developer, set up a testing regimen and feed back detailed error descriptions to the developer so he can fix things. "I want this and it should work" will never reach a fruitful end. When ordering custom software the customer has as much as the developer the duty to see that everything works to the satisfaction of the customer. The most important part is fast and open communication here.

[Mitchell]

Well I ain't paying for something that's buggy.

Fine. That is your right as a costumer, but you could have told me that and I would have gladly fixed it for you.
I have no reason to believe that you won't ignore me again / pay me when I do fix the bug.

And like greyhawk said, nothing is bug free. Even if you found this bug after you paid me, I would have looked into the code to try and fix it.

[greyhawk]

When I change the value and wait/change the currency it updates for me... I will gladly make a video to prove this.

Welp, it works correctly here now too.

[Mitchell]

When I change the value and wait/change the currency it updates for me... I will gladly make a video to prove this.

Welp, it works correctly here now too.

See, I ain't crazy! Hahaha.

[greyhawk]

When I change the value and wait/change the currency it updates for me... I will gladly make a video to prove this.

Welp, it works correctly here now too.

See, I ain't crazy! Hahaha.

Got another one though. 

You may wanna sanitize the input for "btcamount", restrict the field length. I just threw in a few hundred "9"s so the "output" ticked over into #INF. The page doesn't like that at all. It's not accepting any type of input anymore after doing that (neither changing the btcamount nor switching the currency).

[CoinDiver]

It's not a bug, it's an undocumented feature.

[r3wt]

It's not a bug, it's an undocumented feature.

+1

[greyhawk]

It's not a bug, it's an undocumented feature.

YAY. Free features.   

[Mitchell]

When I change the value and wait/change the currency it updates for me... I will gladly make a video to prove this.

Welp, it works correctly here now too.

See, I ain't crazy! Hahaha.

Got another one though. 

You may wanna sanitize the input for "btcamount", restrict the field length. I just threw in a few hundred "9"s so the "output" ticked over into #INF. The page doesn't like that at all. It's not accepting any type of input anymore after doing that (neither changing the btcamount nor switching the currency).

Look, that is a real bug. I would have gladly fixed that if he told me that.