Quickseller receives 20BTC, does not do work, keeps $ **not disputed!**

[owlcatz]

Will Quickseller be confirming these messages so others can at least partially accept their validity? 
I'm not going to comment on anything at this point until confirmed as there may be some games being played here. Go figure.

Wait.... Do you think QS could just be talking to himself over two different accounts?   

[suchmoon]

Didn't Quicksy claim that he backed out due to concerns about Vod's privacy? Doesn't sound like that at all in those supposed messages.

Anyway, without a dated signed message this is just a ridiculous trollery by one or two bright red scammers.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Wait.... Do you think QS could just be talking to himself over two different accounts?   

That was my first thought, but I don't know if there's any proof for that.  I would spin around on my head giggling like a school girl if it could be proven.  That amount of bitcoin always struck me as ludicrous to be sending for a service like what it apparently was, and QS pulling off such a puppet show wouldn't be out of character for him.

[hilariousetc]

Wait.... Do you think QS could just be talking to himself over two different accounts?    

That was my first thought, but I don't know if there's any proof for that.  I would spin around on my head giggling like a school girl if it could be proven.  That amount of bitcoin always struck me as ludicrous to be sending for a service like what it apparently was, and QS pulling off such a puppet show wouldn't be out of character for him.

There's probably no concrete (or public) proof linking them together, but BadBear once told me years ago that he was 'almost certain' they were the same and this was before this potential vod lawsuit deal shenanigans. Personally, I'm not sure if they've always been one and the same but I find it more probable that QS just bought the TF account or at least controlled it at one point (and maybe still does), but that's just my opinion.

[Quickseller]

Wait.... Do you think QS could just be talking to himself over two different accounts?   

That was my first thought, but I don't know if there's any proof for that.  I would spin around on my head giggling like a school girl if it could be proven.  That amount of bitcoin always struck me as ludicrous to be sending for a service like what it apparently was, and QS pulling off such a puppet show wouldn't be out of character for him.

There's probably no concrete (or public) proof linking them together, but BadBear once told me years ago that he was 'almost certain' they were the same and this was before this potential vod lawsuit deal shenanigans. Personally, I'm not sure if they've always been one and the same but I find it more probable that QS just bought the TF account or at least controlled it at one point (and maybe still does), but that's just my opinion.

btw, is this still the same TradeFortress?

Probably.

[hilariousetc]

btw, is this still the same TradeFortress [aka quickseller]?

Probably.

Probably being the operative word. That doesn't mean he doesn't think that you and tf are or have always been the same person. He might say the same if he was asked directly about that.

[Quickseller]

btw, is this still the same TradeFortress [aka quickseller]?

Probably.

Probably being the operative word. That doesn't mean he doesn't think that you and tf are or have always been the same person. He might say the same if he was asked directly about that.

1- you fraudulently altered that quote and enough people know the area where I live and the area TF lives for it to be reasonable to say we are not the same person.

2- you know very well that theymos cannot say without a doubt that an account is being run by it’s original owner so you are basically saying that because you speculate something that you have zero evidence of cannot be disproven it must be true. That is the exact kind of logic that would make me question their judgement.

3- BadBear confirmed years ago I have no unknown alts, which you choose to ignore.

[suchmoon]

3- BadBear confirmed years ago I have no unknown alts, which you choose to ignore.

If you're referring to this post then you're the one choosing to ignore some important aspects of it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.msg12358580#msg12358580

Quickseller doesn't have any notable alts that I know of (besides the ones he has owned up to), but it wouldn't be terribly difficult to hide it if you know what you're doing.

Besides you've had many suspected alts surface after that statement was made so it doesn't mean anything today.

[hilariousetc]

btw, is this still the same TradeFortress [aka quickseller]?

Probably.

Probably being the operative word. That doesn't mean he doesn't think that you and tf are or have always been the same person. He might say the same if he was asked directly about that.

1- you fraudulently altered that quote and enough people know the area where I live and the area TF lives for it to be reasonable to say we are not the same person.

2- you know very well that theymos cannot say without a doubt that an account is being run by it’s original owner so you are basically saying that because you speculate something that you have zero evidence of cannot be disproven it must be true. That is the exact kind of logic that would make me question their judgement.

3- BadBear confirmed years ago I have no unknown alts, which you choose to ignore.

1) Fraudulently altered lol. I put the square brackets in to emphasise that what he said doesn't mean you are two different people. In fact, if theymos is of the opinion that you're the same (which he may or may not be), then it would back up what BadBear said.

2) Of course it is speculation, but as I said before I really don't care on how you perceive me or my judgement.

3) See what suchmoon wrote, but which BadBear statement should we take as gospel? The one when he says there's no alts, but disregard the one where he thinks you are tf? This is probably one of those things that is pointless even discussing because without concrete proof either way then all it is going to be is speculation, but let's not forget admins have access to more info than we do and there's obviously more going on here than meets the eye.

[Vod]

Of course it is pretty ridiculous for that condition to explain the degrees of Vod's ineptitude (to put it the best way I can) and negative narcissist + abrasive traits; but whatever. There are better things to do in life than internet fights with pathetic people; it took one look at Vod's facebook to make me almost feel sorry for him.

Take a look at my trust rating and compare it to yours, Quicksy.  

You recently lied about returning the coins - why?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

That is the exact kind of logic that would make me question their judgement.

Oh, please.  You already question the judgement of people who don't approve of your sockpuppetry and the notion that a person can be involved in a deal and also escrow the deal--and whether you question that judgement or not is absolutely irrelevant to any of the people with brains on bitcointalk, because they already know not to deal with you, because of your shoddy judgement.  And I would say that's accurately reflected in your feedback score.

[ibminer]

Quickseller will only "broadly agree" to the discussion shown by Tradefortress, so I don't know what details may be debated moving forward.

It appears the actions that Vod was going to "be held responsible for" was attempting to alert others in the community about a fraudulent escrow operation that was being run and letting them know their potential rights for a refund, he used the word "anyone", which apparently applies to *all* escrow customers, instead of certain scammed escrow customers, and this is what Quickseller wanted to go after Vod for?     Doesn't it seem much more likely it was because Vod hurt a fraudulent escrow operation?   Sadly, I'm not sure Quickseller even sees it as fraudulent behavior... but it is. It is clearly deceiving others for financial gain, not to mention trust abuse.

This is all just pathetic. If Vod were this bad of a person, Quickseller has to be a coward for not pursuing. Regardless, the reality seems to be that Vod was trying to spotlight an escrow scam, QS and/or friends got upset (personally & financially) and went on some sort of personal vendetta since then.

Quickseller was too cowardly to reveal his own identity because someone who has charged escrow fees to members who thought they were getting a level of financial security they were not really getting (fraud), would never risk their own identity, because it would likely open up those scammers for legal actions against themselves which would likely financially outweigh anything they could potentially get out of suing Vod, not to mention potential time in prison.

One thing seems clear, Quickseller is fine with accepting known scammers as valuable allies for whatever motive he may have at any given time, which I think shows his character, and an extreme lack of integrity.

QS:
On a personal note, please do not take my being uncomfortable in spending your money as a sign that I do not see you as a valuable ally. The risks associated with pursuing civil litigation against Vod include the risk that my personal identity would leak even if court records are sealed as was demonstrated by how quickly he released what he believed to be my personal information. There is no doubt in my mind that Vod is going to be held responsible for his actions.

The fact that Quickseller's spin on this nowadays is "I had a heart for Vod's mental disorder", again, shows the character and lack of integrity, honesty, etc.

Quickseller, how many faces you got man?  https://youtu.be/ddKlCSe3OAY?t=5s

[suchmoon]

Of course Quicksy still thinks he's a "very trusted" escrow. For TF. For 20 BTC. Can't make this stuff up.

Please let me know (via a reply or PM) if you are interested in being the escrow and manager of this bounty. You should be very trusted, and have held more than ~$100k in value before as an escrow.

I could help out if you are unable to find anyone else to escrow.

[o_e_l_e_o]

so you are basically saying that because you speculate something that you have zero evidence of cannot be disproven it must be true. That is the exact kind of logic that would make me question their judgement.

You mean like (taking a totally random example here) claiming someone has a pill addiction with no evidence whatsoever, and since it cannot be disproven it must be true? I would agree that is exactly the kind of logic that would make me question someone's judgement.

[Quickseller]

If Vod were this bad of a person, Quickseller has to be a coward for not pursuing.

That is ridiculous. Courts have a standard practice against punishing people for crimes, including murder under similar logic - this includes refraining from finding guilt under these circumstances.

Quickseller was too cowardly to reveal his own identity

More ridiculousness. Privacy and the right to anonymity is a fundamental right protected by the US constitution and is a valued ethos of the forum. The overwhelming majority of people that conduct any kind of business on the forum conceal their identities (those who do not conduct business have an even greater percentage of anonymity), including those with significant trust and authority. Even the mods, including the global mods are allowed to keep their identity secret from even the administration, even if this means they can conceal income and assets so they can continue to receive welfare transfer payments from the government.

[Vod]

More ridiculousness. Privacy and the right to anonymity is a fundamental right protected by the US constitution and is a valued ethos of the forum. The overwhelming majority of people that conduct any kind of business on the forum conceal their identities (those who do not conduct business have an even greater percentage of anonymity), including those with significant trust and authority. Even the mods, including the global mods are allowed to keep their identity secret from even the administration, even if this means they can conceal income and assets so they can continue to receive welfare transfer payments from the government.

And again, it's OK if someone else's privacy is violated by you (as you constantly flood my trust page with my real name and the pedo story you made up).

You should be protected by fundamental rights - but no one else should.

Right Quicksy?

Your story is weak and yet another lie.

 

[suchmoon]

Quicksy the constitutional scholar

The right to anonymity doesn't extend to defamation. Which seems to be your main activity on the forum these days. Only a matter of time until you get someone to test the limits of your anonymity.

[owlcatz]

Quickseller is a greatest liar & story-teller, especially after his caught of self-escrowing
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059

Dude. Get a grip and stop rehashing old shit. Nobody cares and nobody wants to see this shit bumped over and over .... It's 2020, not 2018.

[Bitcoin SV]

It's 2020, not 2018.

Evidence has no statute of limitations

[owlcatz]

Evidence has no statute of limitations

Just stop bumping ancient threads. Make a new one and post your accusations, not other peoples from years ago.