Literally everyone FUDding Bitcoin just wants to get cheaper

[BillyBobZorton]

I can sense the salt in the air. Notice how everytime Bitcoin pumps, you get an army of people saying "we are going lower". These guys have been watching the price since August (remember in August we were at 3000 and already voices of "it's going to crash" were being heard). A lot of people sold in August, and watched the rally to $20k on the sidelines. These people are now extremely SALTY at the fact that they missed the boat, and don't get fooled, no one thinks Bitcoin is dead and no one thinks the shitcoin being usually promoted by these guys is the future, they just want the price to go down to buy cheaper.

Everyone telling you that Bitcoin is going to stagnate now forever or that this or that shitcoin will take over the #1 spot is a scammer that wants your bitcoins for a cheaper price.

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[leopard2]

There are even professionals in the fudding game; Polish national bank paid a youtuber 30 000 EUR for FUD. Largest player IMHO at the moment is Bitfinexed, who seems to work for US based, anti-crypto stakeholders  

He also sold his coins at $2000. I guess he is not alone. Lots of coiners sold their coins at those prices and would love to get back in...

[Eternu]

I think there is truth in what you say, and I agree that a lot of people say bad things about bitcoin just to lower price even more. But I guess that is only natural, things like that will always exist in economic sphere. People will use other's fear for personal benefit, and that is happening now. People should start thinking with their own head, and stop being fooled by wrong or unreliable information.

[1Referee]

The best sort of revenge is silent revenge. Meaning, I look at how the value of my Bitcoin holdings has increased throughout the years, look at how people panic and fud, and then smile conservatively. I seriously don't care how much people and the media try to spread fud in an attempt to tank the market. In the long term it's nothing more than noise for Bitcoin's price, and let the long term value be the only thing that actually matters. Funny thing is that while people do initially say that they will be buying if the price has gone down, they don't actually end up doing so because they from that point expect the price to dip even further, and that's mostly where they go wrong. The price shoots up, they wait, the price goes up further, fomo kicks in, and bam, they bought back above the price they sold at.

[grimesrhymes]

There's definitely some truth to what you say but I don't think it is entirely that. I do feel there are some people who truly believe what they are saying and that's only natural. It would be alarming if everyone involved in bitcoin thought the price would go up indefinitely. Even having only been here for less than a year I've already seen how this happens and how doom and gloom are used to manipulate people. I can only imagine how tiresome it must be for those people who've been around much longer.

[pealr12]

If people wants cheap coins they will spread fud / fake news to drive the price o that coin to go down cause it has potential to grow up, so they want cheap price for it.

[batang_bitcoin]

I guess its their job to spread those FUD's and I wonder if their commander is kwukduck. But I'm not going to generalize most of them, some are just newbies and are scared to lose at the dip hoping that they'll get lambo and be rich by just buying bitcoin and will not experience these corrections. But the sad fact that combining these people who are real FUD'ers and those newbies, they are making the price lower to make others worried about their holdings.

[jhenfelipe]

A trader tactic. Traders/buyers who wants to accumulate coins at a cheaper price (even not Bitcoin) will start the FUD or support the current FUD. Aren't they doing the same when they want the price to increase?

IMO it becomes natural, we can't control it, but we have a choice if we will be affected or just ignore it.

[UnDerDoG81]

kwuckduck where is kwuckduck 

[entrepmind23]

Yes I remember Jamie Dimon regarding the FUD he spread on August and then later on when the price goes lower, he bought loads of it. Maybe he thought people wouldn't know what he did but he was caught since the name of his company is there buying bitcoin. There are also people who are called "nocoiner" who are always active calling bitcoin scam and the ones who are holding it stupid because they claim that bitcoin is useless. They are the ones who are bitter because they weren't able to buy bitcoin when it was cheaper and instead of buying it when it goes lower, they are happy because they thought they are correct and they are very silent when bitcoin is bullish.

[TERA2]

Not everyone wants to rebuy. Some just want some mental closure to justify their panic sell, or they want to push some alternative investment.

[RamonBTC]

I’ve heard about a group of people and their connected to each other. They are on cooperation group having accumulated their investment and divided its profit when prices high and buy on dip. I know a friend invest on it and I can’t even assure if that is a good one. They have to spread one news at the same time either bad or news(provided by admin), depend on what their goal. In any social media, twitter, Facebook, Reddit, telegram and I’m sure most of them are posting here.

[pooya87]

haha, couldn't agree more. they even proved that JPMorgan bought bitcoin last year when their CEO started the FUD about bitcoin and called it "fraud" and crashed the price temporarily.
and unfortunately FUD will remain a part and parcel of this market as long as it is effective and nowadays everyone is trying to be a part of it because they know it is effective and can be profitable for them!

kwuckduck where is kwuckduck 

[Wind_FURY]

kwuckduck where is kwuckduck  

Yes where is our in-house buy signal? Hahaha.

That guy has very flawless timing in selling at the absolute dip that it's very hard to ignore to do opposite of his "advice".

OP, I suggest that we play along and keep buying the dip.

"OH NOES BITCOIN IS DYING! SELL NOW!"

[orions.belt19]

I think there is truth in what you say, and I agree that a lot of people say bad things about bitcoin just to lower price even more. But I guess that is only natural, things like that will always exist in economic sphere. People will use other's fear for personal benefit, and that is happening now. People should start thinking with their own head, and stop being fooled by wrong or unreliable information.

I guess that some of the others are just riding the bandwagon whenever a FUD comes out. People are easily influenced by what other people say and fear is a very manipulative emotion. Unfortunately, there are many those who fall for these FUDs especially when there are many who would agree. It's quite possible that the FUDs are coupled with a battalion of fake supporters. But then, there are just those others who get influenced and are genuinely just scared.

[batang_bitcoin]

kwuckduck where is kwuckduck 

Haha yeah mate I'm also looking for him. He's gone when the market is down and he's appearing when the market is up.

No!!!! 

That guy has very flawless timing in selling at the absolute dip that it's very hard to ignore to do opposite of his "advice".

LOL when he advice to sell because there's an upcoming crash, opposite is going to happen.

[alyssa85]

Yes - and there is a way to make a profit from it. Everytime you see FUD, set a low buy order, at least 15% below the resistence line, just in case there is a flash crash. You will end up buying some cheap coins which you can immediately offload when the price bounces up. Then rinse and repeat.

[hugeblack]

The lack of good news has left room for such panic:

• Most of those who own a bitcoin deal with it as a commodity if the price falls will start selling.
• There is no command/leader controlling bitcoin which makes it difficult to ascertain some news
• Price is the one that governs the mood ----> https://cointelegraph.com/news/google-searches-for-bitcoin-slump-in-synchronicity-with-bitcoins-price

These promoters/FUDding are the ones who created the Bcash and are trying to shake the people's trust in Bitcoin.

[BingoDog]

As long as there are ignorant users who will always fall for FUD this will work. Unfortunetely this is scenario that repeats all the time and always has significant success. Do we need more eduaction about bitcoin and how it's functioning, would this solve the problem, at least partialy?

[buwaytress]

Only somewhat agree. If these people really wanted bitcoin because they believed it would gain in value over the long term, then it's really of little difference whether they buy at 12k or 10k, in the scheme of things.

I do believe there is some element of sore loser feeling, though, for those who sold so early and don't want bitcoin to make them feel shitty, or yeah, those trying really hard to displace bitcoin... Cough bcash.

Also, probably a small but significant group who aren't at all invested in bitcoin but make a living anyway from peddling the news. Sensational content still sells, still can be monetised.

[Febo]

I can sense the salt in the air. Notice how everytime Bitcoin pumps, you get an army of people saying "we are going lower". These guys have been watching the price since August (remember in August we were at 3000 and already voices of "it's going to crash" were being heard). A lot of people sold in August, and watched the rally to $20k on the sidelines. These people are now extremely SALTY at the fact that they missed the boat, and don't get fooled, no one thinks Bitcoin is dead and no one thinks the shitcoin being usually promoted by these guys is the future, they just want the price to go down to buy cheaper.

Everyone telling you that Bitcoin is going to stagnate now forever or that this or that shitcoin will take over the #1 spot is a scammer that wants your bitcoins for a cheaper price.

I wonder how many Bitcoins proudhon have then . He is FUDing bitcoin for like 7 years here. You speculate he was buying all the time? $1  and $20000 BTCs?

[sjefdeklerk]

You guys never heard of short selling? I'm short most of the time so I want BTC to go lower most of the time. But I'm short because a reason and that's that I don't see any future for bitcoin. So I'm just posting my perspective of things. Just like the long people post their perspective (mostly something like "buy bitcoin because it will ALWAYS go up"). So I'm not really sure what the reason is behind this topic. Longs want the price to go up, shorts to go down, what's new here?

[Getcoinsite]

I guess its their job to spread those FUD's and I wonder if their commander is kwukduck. But I'm not going to generalize most of them, some are just newbies and are scared to lose at the dip hoping that they'll get lambo and be rich by just buying bitcoin and will not experience these corrections. But the sad fact that combining these people who are real FUD'ers and those newbies, they are making the price lower to make others worried about their holdings.

yups,theres. A troll everywhere,maybe this guys paid higher just to campaign the Fuds,imagine when the bitcoin price has just drop hundred bucks and here this fuders start spreding the word,and those damn weak hands as they heard the words,instantly sell their coin without clarifying the issue.and at the end price drops happens

[sjefdeklerk]

yups,theres. A troll everywhere,maybe this guys paid higher just to campaign the Fuds,imagine when the bitcoin price has just drop hundred bucks and here this fuders start spreding the word,and those damn weak hands as they heard the words,instantly sell their coin without clarifying the issue.and at the end price drops happens

And who cares about that anyway? Do you really those weak hands with their 0.02 BTC accounts make ANY difference in price? Or do you think whales visit this forum and base their opinion on what they read here?

[whirlcoin]

We can't do anything about these FUDers because they holds the media so they can convey the message as they want and whales are using media to bump and dump the coins so the smart people need to utilize that whales strategy into ours too buy buying the coins when the price.is crashing.

[Denker]

There's definitely some truth to what you say but I don't think it is entirely that. I do feel there are some people who truly believe what they are saying and that's only natural. It would be alarming if everyone involved in bitcoin thought the price would go up indefinitely. Even having only been here for less than a year I've already seen how this happens and how doom and gloom are used to manipulate people. I can only imagine how tiresome it must be for those people who've been around much longer.

Of course there are even really good traders who believe we could go down to 5k and lower.
But that doesn't mean, that it's going to happen or that you should listen to them.
Even the best traders are more often wrong as one may think. However these guys are not shouting out the doom into the public, just in trading groups where they are hanhing out with other traders and discussing possible outcomes etc.
The guys we're generally talking about, who spread all that "Bitcoin is done and goes down to 1k or lower", "it's a fraud and will fail" yada yada,  use social media and MSM just to influence the newbies and small investors in this space. So in that case it really is 99% FUD and the attempt of manipulation. And often it works out as many people react very emotionally.
If you know that and can resist, you just watch it happen and wait for the opportunities to buy more coins when others are freaking out. Or just wait for the price to reverse and do nothing.
But hodling isn't easy. It takes time to learn and withstand all that created FUD and selling pressure. But over the years you recognize all that stuff repeating again and again.

[BillyBobZorton]

There are even professionals in the fudding game; Polish national bank paid a youtuber 30 000 EUR for FUD. Largest player IMHO at the moment is Bitfinexed, who seems to work for US based, anti-crypto stakeholders 

He also sold his coins at $2000. I guess he is not alone. Lots of coiners sold their coins at those prices and would love to get back in...

Yeah I remember that. A lot of people are making a living by accepting payment by attackers. I've known stories of people accepting payments to promote FUD against Bitcoin and present Bitcoin as dead while pumping this other one "new coin" as the new Bitcoin, for example, many scammers on Youtube are promoting IOTA and Hashgraph as projects that are "more advanced than Bitcoin" and will therefore replace it, among other scammy claims.

But governments getting into this misleading-game of disinformation at the youtuber level was new to me. It shows that they are trying to do as much as possible to stop the fiat leak into Bitcoin

[batang_bitcoin]

I guess its their job to spread those FUD's and I wonder if their commander is kwukduck. But I'm not going to generalize most of them, some are just newbies and are scared to lose at the dip hoping that they'll get lambo and be rich by just buying bitcoin and will not experience these corrections. But the sad fact that combining these people who are real FUD'ers and those newbies, they are making the price lower to make others worried about their holdings.

yups,theres. A troll everywhere,maybe this guys paid higher just to campaign the Fuds,imagine when the bitcoin price has just drop hundred bucks and here this fuders start spreding the word,and those damn weak hands as they heard the words,instantly sell their coin without clarifying the issue.and at the end price drops happens

There are trolls that aren't paid but happy to spread false information throughout the web. It's either they are holding other altcoins and they miss the train of riding the dip and they are now at losses because bitcoin is getting lower and their alts are also affected. We all know that there are many whales that are also doing this and giving their statements for the sake of their opinion and idea that are even published and reported by the mass bias media.

[Casdinyard]

yups,theres. A troll everywhere,maybe this guys paid higher just to campaign the Fuds,imagine when the bitcoin price has just drop hundred bucks and here this fuders start spreding the word,and those damn weak hands as they heard the words,instantly sell their coin without clarifying the issue.and at the end price drops happens

And who cares about that anyway? Do you really those weak hands with their 0.02 BTC accounts make ANY difference in price? Or do you think whales visit this forum and base their opinion on what they read here?

Definitely whales are not after here nor our opinions because they'll spread fud or pay trollers if they want to buy in cheap price and when they're done accumulating and when everyone dump their coins they'll release some good news and the graph suddenly goes green. That's why those who easily gets panic will hate themselves later on.

[Slash61]

Yes, business is business, maybe that proverb can describe the situation now. Fuds are causing its fall in prices, it could be their strategy in investing for investors to panic and sell their shares. But I am sure this will not last long, IMO FUD has a short time limit.

[aceptamosbitcoin]

I'm not from those who are fudding bitcoin, but I frankly I would't mind if the price fall to $3K for some short time.

And yes - it's to buy more. And you can't blame me for that I want more cheap coins like everybody else. Because I'm here for the long game.

[alyssa85]

You guys never heard of short selling? I'm short most of the time so I want BTC to go lower most of the time. But I'm short because a reason and that's that I don't see any future for bitcoin. So I'm just posting my perspective of things. Just like the long people post their perspective (mostly something like "buy bitcoin because it will ALWAYS go up"). So I'm not really sure what the reason is behind this topic. Longs want the price to go up, shorts to go down, what's new here?

I'm not sure there is a future for bitcoin either. I sold quite a bit in December, and I'm glad now - at the time I thought I might be missing out on future gains, but the merchants abandoning bitcoin decided me.

[1Referee]

I'm not sure there is a future for bitcoin either. I sold quite a bit in December, and I'm glad now - at the time I thought I might be missing out on future gains, but the merchants abandoning bitcoin decided me.

That's a non reason. The merchants who dropped Bitcoin as payment option did so purely because of the fact that barely anyone is using his coins to pay with, and that you can't blame Bitcoin for. It was obvious from the very beginnin that this was bound to happen. Merchants stating that the higher fees and the volatility were the reason for them to ditch Bitcoin, are nothing more than liars. They falsely try to justify their actions by naming up volatility and high fees to be the main reason. Volatility firstly isn't a concern since they use payment gateways to take care of the volatility exposure, and the fees were going to increase anyway, and especially if the market suddenly exploded, which it did.

[imapessimist]

I don't know why people listen to all this fud.  They need to watch the price and wait till every number is red and then buy.  Say now the price is around 9K so it wouldn't be a huge mistake to buy at this but I would wait for a lower price because it might go either way at the present time.  But it would be crazy to wait till say 11.5 and then think oh I must buy.  No if you were going to buy you should have bought at 9 or even 8.5.

[harizen]

I can sense the salt in the air. Notice how everytime Bitcoin pumps, you get an army of people saying "we are going lower". These guys have been watching the price since August (remember in August we were at 3000 and already voices of "it's going to crash" were being heard). A lot of people sold in August, and watched the rally to $20k on the sidelines. These people are now extremely SALTY at the fact that they missed the boat, and don't get fooled, no one thinks Bitcoin is dead and no one thinks the shitcoin being usually promoted by these guys is the future, they just want the price to go down to buy cheaper.

Everyone telling you that Bitcoin is going to stagnate now forever or that this or that shitcoin will take over the #1 spot is a scammer that wants your bitcoins for a cheaper price.

That is already a part of bitcoin ecosystem so I think we just have to be used to it as sometimes we are getting benefits there too especially for waiting on another entry level. Since bitcoin inception, FUD'S are everywhere and will alwaya be there. And still, bitcoin is standing strong and supported and gaining an increase in term of number of users. In the first place, those FUDsters doesn't literally have a goal to take bitcoin down but rather just want a piece of a so-called "manipulation" thing on a primary goal.

People especially those newcomers must learned not to be dragged on any FUD attempt that will result on regret. They just have to engaged regularly in crypto world to make used on it.

[lingwistiko]

That's what exactly the theory behind FUDs. They spread it around the internet, the social media and forums like this as well so as to make people worried about bitcoin's future and their investment. So when these weak minds and hands sell their tokens out of fear, the price of bitcoin and other cryptos are affected as well giving them chance to buy them at a very cheap price.

[BrewMaster]

I don't know why people listen to all this fud.  They need to watch the price and wait till every number is red and then buy.  Say now the price is around 9K so it wouldn't be a huge mistake to buy at this but I would wait for a lower price because it might go either way at the present time.  But it would be crazy to wait till say 11.5 and then think oh I must buy.  No if you were going to buy you should have bought at 9 or even 8.5.

that's easier said than done.
when it comes to reality and when you actually want to do it, you will start thinking twice, then get doubtful and eventually greed kicks in. what FUD does is that it hastens this process.
and if we are talking about a newbie then they just jump into the end stage and hold off buying until it is too late. that is why there isn't that much buying happening right now. all the FUD is messing with people's heads

[MiningBattalion]

Everyone needs bitcoin for their future. So they want to buy huge amount of bitcoin in short period with low price. And this may be the reason for the people want to buy a bitcoin at low rate. If you buy at low rate and automatically when price increase,you get more profit.

[glowing10]

We can't do anything about these FUDers because they holds the media so they can convey the message as they want and whales are using media to bump and dump the coins so the smart people need to utilize that whales strategy into ours too buy buying the coins when the price.is crashing.

Media play a very vital role in either building a story or crashing it. Same had happened in my country where the government stance was something different trend media interpreted something else and this created a panic in the market and the prices crashed badly due to false reports.