problem with off-chain "provably fair" games

[knowitnothing]

even loaded dice would produce fairer results than these scam sites!   imho

The discussion is about whether it is possible to cheat the players or not. It is, and it is irrelevant whether it is off the chain, on the chain, a real casino in Las Vegas, or even -- believe it or not -- a live feed by ASICSRUS (or insanity dice).

You never proved any of the sites are scamming, although some of them could very well be. You said my site is rigged, so here is a deal I have to you: we can ask someone to escrow a certain BTC amount from both of us, if in 1 entire month you can prove that, then you get it all, otherwise I get it. If you are so certain it is a scam I don't see why you wouldn't do it, otherwise please keep your humble opinions to yourself. I can arrange this such that the escrow, and other people, receives every (signed) bet you make before the system decides the outcome, so you can check that no bets were modified, and you can always check for fair results.

[ASICSRUS]

even loaded dice would produce fairer results than these scam sites!   imho

The discussion is about whether it is possible to cheat the players or not. It is, and it is irrelevant whether it is off the chain, on the chain, a real casino in Las Vegas, or even -- believe it or not -- a live feed by ASICSRUS (or insanity dice).

You never proved any of the sites are scamming, although some of them could very well be. You said my site is rigged, so here is a deal I have to you: we can ask someone to escrow a certain BTC amount from both of us, if in 1 entire month you can prove that, then you get it all, otherwise I get it. If you are so certain it is a scam I don't see why you wouldn't do it, otherwise please keep your humble opinions to yourself. I can arrange this such that the escrow, and other people, receives every (signed) bet you make before the system decides the outcome, so you can check that no bets were modified, and you can always check for fair results.

yes Scamming by false representation>>
should i just send you my address now?..LOL i can prove it's rigged via higher bets triggering losing(kill switch) ~ i can make a movie for you to watch. no escrow i trust you just put your money where your mouth is !

[knowitnothing]

even loaded dice would produce fairer results than these scam sites!   imho

The discussion is about whether it is possible to cheat the players or not. It is, and it is irrelevant whether it is off the chain, on the chain, a real casino in Las Vegas, or even -- believe it or not -- a live feed by ASICSRUS (or insanity dice).

You never proved any of the sites are scamming, although some of them could very well be. You said my site is rigged, so here is a deal I have to you: we can ask someone to escrow a certain BTC amount from both of us, if in 1 entire month you can prove that, then you get it all, otherwise I get it. If you are so certain it is a scam I don't see why you wouldn't do it, otherwise please keep your humble opinions to yourself. I can arrange this such that the escrow, and other people, receives every (signed) bet you make before the system decides the outcome, so you can check that no bets were modified, and you can always check for fair results.

yes Scamming by false representation>>
should i just send you my address now?..LOL i can prove it's rigged via higher bets triggering losing(kill switch) ~ i can make a movie for you to watch. no escrow i trust you just put your money where your mouth is !

We need a escrow because I don't believe you will honor anything after you notice you can't prove what you say. I don't need a movie from the bets since I have all them stored.

If you're interested in doing the deal, send me a PM about it and how much you want to put into this and I will contact someone to escrow, otherwise I'm not continuing with this discussion.

[arsenische]

If the player signs the bet, then the casino can prove the game was fair.

[ASICSRUS]

even loaded dice would produce fairer results than these scam sites!   imho

The discussion is about whether it is possible to cheat the players or not. It is, and it is irrelevant whether it is off the chain, on the chain, a real casino in Las Vegas, or even -- believe it or not -- a live feed by ASICSRUS (or insanity dice).

You never proved any of the sites are scamming, although some of them could very well be. You said my site is rigged, so here is a deal I have to you: we can ask someone to escrow a certain BTC amount from both of us, if in 1 entire month you can prove that, then you get it all, otherwise I get it. If you are so certain it is a scam I don't see why you wouldn't do it, otherwise please keep your humble opinions to yourself. I can arrange this such that the escrow, and other people, receives every (signed) bet you make before the system decides the outcome, so you can check that no bets were modified, and you can always check for fair results.

yes Scamming by false representation>>
should i just send you my address now?..LOL i can prove it's rigged via higher bets triggering losing(kill switch) ~ i can make a movie for you to watch. no escrow i trust you just put your money where your mouth is !

We need a escrow because I don't believe you will honor anything after you notice you can't prove what you say. I don't need a movie from the bets since I have all them stored.

If you're interested in doing the deal, send me a PM about it and how much you want to put into this and I will contact someone to escrow, otherwise I'm not continuing with this discussion.

what you are saying: escrow concept goes against the satoshi white paper, i can prove it's rigged by demonstrating it! Let people watch my movie, then vote on the obvious !!!   ====>YOU JUST LOST 1BTC!!!(or you just talking out your ass?)

[knowitnothing]

i can prove it's rigged by demonstrating it!

Do demonstrate then. No PM received, I take the deal is not interesting to you ?

[ASICSRUS]

i can prove it's rigged by demonstrating it!

Do demonstrate then. No PM received, I take the deal is not interesting to you ?

I get the impression you aint going to pay even when i prove it ! lmfao

[knowitnothing]

i can prove it's rigged by demonstrating it!

Do demonstrate then. No PM received, I take the deal is not interesting to you ?

I get the impression you aint going to pay even when i prove it ! lmfao

That's what the escrow is for.

[ASICSRUS]

i can prove it's rigged by demonstrating it!

Do demonstrate then. No PM received, I take the deal is not interesting to you ?

I get the impression you aint going to pay even when i prove it ! lmfao

That's what the escrow is for.

escrow is for scammers! i can prove these games are rigged right here right now will you pay me>>> no ,,,so go get a life! 

[knowitnothing]

i can prove it's rigged by demonstrating it!

Do demonstrate then. No PM received, I take the deal is not interesting to you ?

I get the impression you aint going to pay even when i prove it ! lmfao

That's what the escrow is for.

escrow is for scammers! i can prove these games are rigged right here right now will you pay me>>> no ,,,so go get a life! 

I believe you are going to scam me, so the escrow is working just fine. Great.

Now, I don't know which are "these" games you're talking about. I can only talk about ggdice, and I'm willing to pay you (or anyone else if interested) if you prove it's rigged. No need to keep repeating this and inflating the post count, let's settle this outside this thread.

[ASICSRUS]

i can prove it's rigged by demonstrating it!

Do demonstrate then. No PM received, I take the deal is not interesting to you ?

I get the impression you aint going to pay even when i prove it ! lmfao

That's what the escrow is for.

escrow is for scammers! i can prove these games are rigged right here right now will you pay me>>> no ,,,so go get a life!  

I believe you are going to scam me, so the escrow is working just fine. Great.

Now, I don't know which are "these" games you're talking about. I can only talk about ggdice, and I'm willing to pay you (or anyone else if interested) if you prove it's rigged. No need to keep repeating this and inflating the post count, let's settle this outside this thread.

\/\/hat constitutes proof?
so you are the operater of ggdice? how can i scam you by simply showing you how your site is rigged per higher bets changing the outcome resulting in lossing odds against the user?. It seems we have a bunch of you clowns following an industry standard of deception!    nobrainer=house always wins!

[knowitnothing]

i can prove it's rigged by demonstrating it!

Do demonstrate then. No PM received, I take the deal is not interesting to you ?

I get the impression you aint going to pay even when i prove it ! lmfao

That's what the escrow is for.

escrow is for scammers! i can prove these games are rigged right here right now will you pay me>>> no ,,,so go get a life!  

I believe you are going to scam me, so the escrow is working just fine. Great.

Now, I don't know which are "these" games you're talking about. I can only talk about ggdice, and I'm willing to pay you (or anyone else if interested) if you prove it's rigged. No need to keep repeating this and inflating the post count, let's settle this outside this thread.

\/\/hat constitutes proof?
so you are the operater of ggdice? how can i scam you by simply showing you how your site is rigged per higher bets changing the outcome resulting in lossing odds against the user?. It seems we have a bunch of you clowns following an industry standard of deception!    nobrainer=house always wins!

A proof is a sequence of steps that demonstrates that a given statement is true. You can learn more about it here and here.

You have a hard time reading posts, I hope you will read this one entirely. How you can scam me: 1) we define that I will give x BTC in case you prove ggdice is rigged, and that you will give me x BTC otherwise; 2) you never prove it, and never send the x BTC. Escrow solves this.

You won't be able to show that higher bets change the outcomes in any way because the bet amount is not taken into consideration when determining the outcome. The method for determining the results is described clearly on the site, and there are two links for checking the rolls yourself (I gave one earlier in this thread, you probably didn't manage to read the post).

[ASICSRUS]

i can prove it's rigged by demonstrating it!

Do demonstrate then. No PM received, I take the deal is not interesting to you ?

I get the impression you aint going to pay even when i prove it ! lmfao

That's what the escrow is for.

escrow is for scammers! i can prove these games are rigged right here right now will you pay me>>> no ,,,so go get a life!  

I believe you are going to scam me, so the escrow is working just fine. Great.

Now, I don't know which are "these" games you're talking about. I can only talk about ggdice, and I'm willing to pay you (or anyone else if interested) if you prove it's rigged. No need to keep repeating this and inflating the post count, let's settle this outside this thread.

\/\/hat constitutes proof?
so you are the operater of ggdice? how can i scam you by simply showing you how your site is rigged per higher bets changing the outcome resulting in lossing odds against the user?. It seems we have a bunch of you clowns following an industry standard of deception!    nobrainer=house always wins!

A proof is a sequence of steps that demonstrates that a given statement is true. You can learn more about it here and here.

You have a hard time reading posts, I hope you will read this one entirely. How you can scam me: 1) we define that I will give x BTC in case you prove ggdice is rigged, and that you will give me x BTC otherwise; 2) you never prove it, and never send the x BTC. Escrow solves this.

You won't be able to show that higher bets change the outcomes in any way because the bet amount is not taken into consideration when determining the outcome. The method for determining the results is described clearly on the site, and there are two links for checking the rolls yourself (I gave one earlier in this thread, you probably didn't manage to read the post).

Math proof is when you set it on 93 percent and you see three  reds pop up 'all the sudden when you bet bigger! >Google<: i don't get that second link?

I can reproduce in a movie realtime again and again how what you are saying is a bold face lie !!! I've been researching stuff like this for over 5 years!!!+) ROTFFLMAO you need to quit serving kool aid

[knowitnothing]

\/\/hat constitutes proof?
so you are the operater of ggdice? how can i scam you by simply showing you how your site is rigged per higher bets changing the outcome resulting in lossing odds against the user?. It seems we have a bunch of you clowns following an industry standard of deception!    nobrainer=house always wins!

A proof is a sequence of steps that demonstrates that a given statement is true. You can learn more about it here and here.

You have a hard time reading posts, I hope you will read this one entirely. How you can scam me: 1) we define that I will give x BTC in case you prove ggdice is rigged, and that you will give me x BTC otherwise; 2) you never prove it, and never send the x BTC. Escrow solves this.

You won't be able to show that higher bets change the outcomes in any way because the bet amount is not taken into consideration when determining the outcome. The method for determining the results is described clearly on the site, and there are two links for checking the rolls yourself (I gave one earlier in this thread, you probably didn't manage to read the post).

I can reproduce in a movie realtime again and again how what you are saying is a bold face lie !!! I've been researching stuff like this for over 5 years!!!+) ROTFFLMAO you need to quit serving kool aid

If it's still not clear to you, I'm talking specifically about ggdice. You can't be researching this specific service for over 5 years. I'm just giving you proper answers regarding this specific service. The deal I suggested earlier was about this specific service. Maybe if I write specific service once more you will notice that I'm talking about a single service, I can't possibly write something that covers every other service controlled by all kind of people.

[murraypaul]

Math proof is when you set it on 93 percent and you see three  reds pop up 'all the sudden when you bet bigger! >Google<: i don't get that second link?

All that proves is that you know nothing about statistics.
You are making yourself look silly with these posts.

[ASICSRUS]

\/\/hat constitutes proof?
so you are the operater of ggdice? how can i scam you by simply showing you how your site is rigged per higher bets changing the outcome resulting in lossing odds against the user?. It seems we have a bunch of you clowns following an industry standard of deception!    nobrainer=house always wins!

A proof is a sequence of steps that demonstrates that a given statement is true. You can learn more about it here and here.

You have a hard time reading posts, I hope you will read this one entirely. How you can scam me: 1) we define that I will give x BTC in case you prove ggdice is rigged, and that you will give me x BTC otherwise; 2) you never prove it, and never send the x BTC. Escrow solves this.

You won't be able to show that higher bets change the outcomes in any way because the bet amount is not taken into consideration when determining the outcome. The method for determining the results is described clearly on the site, and there are two links for checking the rolls yourself (I gave one earlier in this thread, you probably didn't manage to read the post).

I can reproduce in a movie realtime again and again how what you are saying is a bold face lie !!! I've been researching stuff like this for over 5 years!!!+) ROTFFLMAO you need to quit serving kool aid

If it's still not clear to you, I'm talking specifically about ggdice. You can't be researching this specific service for over 5 years. I'm just giving you proper answers regarding this specific service. The deal I suggested earlier was about this specific service. Maybe if I write specific service once more you will notice that I'm talking about a single service, I can't possibly write something that covers every other service controlled by all kind of people.

NO it's a "type" of site i've identified. Your site participates being part of this online dice scam cabal!!
#Your site clearly uperates like this>> higher bids cause a increase in reds i'm not making this up and ...hmm now when are you going to send that?LOL

[ASICSRUS]

Math proof is when you set it on 93 percent and you see three  reds pop up 'all the sudden when you bet bigger! >Google<: i don't get that second link?

All that proves is that you know nothing about statistics.
You are making yourself look silly with these posts.

$illy oh really i've been in the market for over 5 years!!! nice try!   lol

[murraypaul]

And, still, you sound like a bit of a fool who doesn't understand that any run of bad luck is possible in a faur system, and is refusing to even attempt to prove your allegations.

[ASICSRUS]

And, still, you sound like a bit of a fool who doesn't understand that any run of bad luck is possible in a faur system, and is refusing to even attempt to prove your allegations.

aye f00l::>>try learn how to spell LOL ~ i just came from Vegas where people have no concept of these kind of things...i'm just seeing all these scammers trying to say their sites are fair and when i play them impossible odds come magically only when i bet up bigger!

I AM OFFERING TO MAKE A MOVIE TO DEMONSTRATE THIS!!!!

[murraypaul]

And, still, you sound like a bit of a fool who doesn't understand that any run of bad luck is possible in a faur system, and is refusing to even attempt to prove your allegations.

aye f00l::>>try learn how to spell LOL

Ffs, how old are you?
With your grammar, you are going to criticise someone's spelling?