problem with off-chain "provably fair" games

[ASICSRUS]

[-example-] = mathamatically impossible type string rolls(manual bets) >>



154097566   breakbeats   19:12   0.00001111   2.00000   <49.50   70.64   -0.00001111
154097533   breakbeats   19:12   0.00001111   2.00000   <49.50   56.35   -0.00001111
154097490   breakbeats   19:12   0.00001111   2.00000   <49.50   54.43   -0.00001111
154093358   breakbeats   19:10   0.00001111   2.00000   <49.50   94.07   -0.00001111
154093336   breakbeats   19:10   0.00001111   2.00000   <49.50   98.9   -0.00001111
154093289   breakbeats   19:10   0.00001111   2.00000   <49.50   68.38   -0.00001111
154093240   breakbeats   19:10   0.00001111   2.00000   <49.50   50.04   -0.00001111
154092876   breakbeats   19:10   0.00007778   2.00000   <49.50   83.04   -0.00007778
154092668   breakbeats   19:10   0.00000007   2.00000   <49.50   75.46   -0.00000007
154092588   breakbeats   19:09   0.00000007   2.00000   <49.50   76.16   -0.00000007
154092541   breakbeats   19:09   0.00000007   2.00000   <49.50   93.06   -0.00000007

[murraypaul]

(Can't resist noticing the spelling error there)

That isn't a mathematically impossible string of results.
There is no such thing as a mathematically impossible string of results, only increasingly unlikely ones.
The chance of losing 11 50/50 bets in a row is 1 in 2048.
Slightly more likely than that for you because of the house edge.

Edit:
If you make 100 coin flips, you have a 1 in 45 chance of getting 11 losses in a row, and the expected number of losses in a row would be just under 6: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=probability+of+11+heads+in+a+row+with+100+coin+flips
If you make 1000 coin flips, you have a ~1 in 5 chance of getting 11 losses in a row, and the expected number of losses in a row would be just over 9: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=probability+of+11+heads+in+a+row+with+1000+coin+flips

[knowitnothing]

Your site participates being part of this online dice scam cabal!!
#Your site clearly uperates like this>> higher bids cause a increase in reds i'm not making this up and ...hmm now when are you going to send that?LOL

The deal is still available, we define some BTC amount for this and someone escrows it. Then you prove ggdice is a scam and you get it all. I'm still waiting for the PM and/or the "proof" you apparently got already. Here's how a roll is ultimately performed (taken directly from the site in question):

"""
The result, r, of each roll is an integer in the range [0, 1000000). The value of r is determined by first calculating the SHA3-256 (Keccak) digest, d, of the message: secret seed + ":" + nonce + ":" user seed. Finally we consider the integer value of d, i, and r=i%1000000.
"""

So the amount you bet is not taken into account. If it were, you wouldn't be able to check the rolls. To rephrase what is written above: the odds and amount for a bet are not taken into consideration, the only thing that matters are the server seed (secret), the nonce, and your user seed. Is that clear ? Can you disprove that ?

I'm not even questioning whether you're making this up or not, you're just not showing what you got regarding ggdice. See also the pastebin link I gave earlier regarding your bets. If you decide to reply again, can you please add something to the discussion ? Garbage and funny faces do not count.

Lastly, see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283334.msg3107720#msg3107720 for both 21 loses in a row, and 21 wins in a row. Is the former impossible and the later not ?

[imagereply]

And, still, you sound like a bit of a fool who doesn't understand that any run of bad luck is possible in a faur system, and is refusing to even attempt to prove your allegations.

aye f00l::>>try learn how to spell LOL ~ i just came from Vegas where people have no concept of these kind of things...i'm just seeing all these scammers trying to say their sites are fair and when i play them impossible odds come magically only when i bet up bigger!

I AM OFFERING TO MAKE A MOVIE TO DEMONSTRATE THIS!!!!

http://www.mancards.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/13021377996390_That-awkward-moment-when-you-realize-the-person-youre-talking-to-is-a-complete-idiot.png

[ASICSRUS]

That isn't a mathematically impossible string of results.
There is no such thing as a mathematically impossible string of results, only increasingly unlikely ones.

yes but combined with the same pattern appearing again and again only when higher bets are placed, i'm a scientist brah!  ez

[ASICSRUS]

your server seed (secret) is the key! How ever you do it the result is a mechanism that triggers increase RED rolls. I even went back and tested it again. Now how bout we bump this up to 10BTC since you are sooo sure of yourself!  LMAO

[knowitnothing]

your server seed (secret) is the key! How ever you do it the result is a mechanism that triggers increase RED rolls. I even went back and tested it again. Now how bout we bump this up to 10BTC since you are sooo sure of yourself! 

Send me a PM with a bitcoin address you own with the amount you want to put into this, also sign some message using that address and send it there. Then I will contact someone to escrow this.

[knowitnothing]

If the player signs the bet, then the casino can prove the game was fair.

Not necessarily.  They would be proving an individual roll of the dice is fair, not their entire system.  Once you submit your seed I believe everything is deterministic from there.  If that is the case they know if you won or lost before you know.  If you have a big win coming all they need to do is make your connection hang.  

Only the rolled number is deterministic since the player can usually control the win chance, bet amount, and to roll higher than a number or lower than a number. The system can't know which decisions the player will take. For your last point, that depends on how a given system works. If the rolls are based on a server seed, user seed and a nonce, then hanging the connection doesn't increment the nonce and the user can simply remake the bet and get his big win.

[ASICSRUS]

your server seed (secret) is the key! How ever you do it the result is a mechanism that triggers increase RED rolls. I even went back and tested it again. Now how bout we bump this up to 10BTC since you are sooo sure of yourself!

Send me a PM with a bitcoin address you own with the amount you want to put into this, also sign some message using that address and send it there. Then I will contact someone to escrow this.

chuck that i already won this, what the hell we need escrow for?   i'll bet 100BTC i can show everyone how the increase from low to higher bet will produce higher % occurance of  REDS !!!!   easyyyyy

[imagereply]

your server seed (secret) is the key! How ever you do it the result is a mechanism that triggers increase RED rolls. I even went back and tested it again. Now how bout we bump this up to 10BTC since you are sooo sure of yourself!

Send me a PM with a bitcoin address you own with the amount you want to put into this, also sign some message using that address and send it there. Then I will contact someone to escrow this.

chuck that i already won this, what the hell we need escrow for?   i'll bet 100BTC i can show everyone how the increase from low to higher bet will produce higher % occurance of  REDS !!!!   easyyyyy

http://subspecies.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/james-randi-evidence-or-gtfo.jpg

[ASICSRUS]

If the player signs the bet, then the casino can prove the game was fair.

Not necessarily.  They would be proving an individual roll of the dice is fair, not their entire system.  Once you submit your seed I believe everything is deterministic from there.  If that is the case they know if you won or lost before you know.  If you have a big win coming all they need to do is make your connection hang.  

yes the "connection hang" issue is def something that i've been seeing connected with this form of manipulation...

[ASICSRUS]

your server seed (secret) is the key! How ever you do it the result is a mechanism that triggers increase RED rolls. I even went back and tested it again. Now how bout we bump this up to 10BTC since you are sooo sure of yourself!

Send me a PM with a bitcoin address you own with the amount you want to put into this, also sign some message using that address and send it there. Then I will contact someone to escrow this.

chuck that i already won this, what the hell we need escrow for?   i'll bet 100BTC i can show everyone how the increase from low to higher bet will produce higher % occurance of  REDS !!!!   easyyyyy

you in on this movie pooL? haaaa  how much BTC you got to lose?

[imagereply]

your server seed (secret) is the key! How ever you do it the result is a mechanism that triggers increase RED rolls. I even went back and tested it again. Now how bout we bump this up to 10BTC since you are sooo sure of yourself!

Send me a PM with a bitcoin address you own with the amount you want to put into this, also sign some message using that address and send it there. Then I will contact someone to escrow this.

chuck that i already won this, what the hell we need escrow for?   i'll bet 100BTC i can show everyone how the increase from low to higher bet will produce higher % occurance of  REDS !!!!   easyyyyy

http://subspecies.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/james-randi-evidence-or-gtfo.jpg

you in on this movie pooL? haaaa  how much BTC you got to lose?

http://americanbullion.com/images/gold-bars_5.jpg

[freethink2013]

@ASICSRUS

If you are seeing a pattern and not profiting from it then you are an idiot.

Them ripping you off or fixing things is far less likely than their "random" being nothing more than a pattern - an elaborate one but a pattern nonetheless. Being random is difficult and imho a lot of the time in the current btc gambling goldrush "provably fair" is actually pushing what should be random into a straight jacket that decreases randomization rather than increases it.

Also it's fucking dice! ffs. Try a game of skill

[imagereply]

@ASICSRUS

If you are seeing a pattern and not profiting from it then you are an idiot.

http://rantsofasassystew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Breaking_News.jpg

[Damnsammit]

Also it's fucking dice! ffs. Try a game of skill

But I heard if I rolled these here dice, then I would never have to work a day in my life...

$$$ [:-:]

[ASICSRUS]

@ASICSRUS

If you are seeing a pattern and not profiting from it then you are an idiot.

Them ripping you off or fixing things is far less likely than their "random" being nothing more than a pattern - an elaborate one but a pattern nonetheless. Being random is difficult and imho a lot of the time in the current btc gambling goldrush "provably fair" is actually pushing what should be random into a straight jacket that decreases randomization rather than increases it.

Also it's fucking dice! ffs. Try a game of skill

yes my friend: a pattern of false representation!w/Displaying fake odds! 

[freethink2013]

@ASICSRUS

If you are seeing a pattern and not profiting from it then you are an idiot.

Them ripping you off or fixing things is far less likely than their "random" being nothing more than a pattern - an elaborate one but a pattern nonetheless. Being random is difficult and imho a lot of the time in the current btc gambling goldrush "provably fair" is actually pushing what should be random into a straight jacket that decreases randomization rather than increases it.

Also it's fucking dice! ffs. Try a game of skill

yes my friend: a pattern of false representation!w/Displaying fake odds! 

You've said you've identified a pattern. In layman's terms you know ahead of time what dice will be rolled so why are you still losing?

[imagereply]

@ASICSRUS

If you are seeing a pattern and not profiting from it then you are an idiot.

Them ripping you off or fixing things is far less likely than their "random" being nothing more than a pattern - an elaborate one but a pattern nonetheless. Being random is difficult and imho a lot of the time in the current btc gambling goldrush "provably fair" is actually pushing what should be random into a straight jacket that decreases randomization rather than increases it.

Also it's fucking dice! ffs. Try a game of skill

yes my friend: a pattern of false representation!w/Displaying fake odds! 

http://i.qkme.me/3qz98d.jpg

[ASICSRUS]

@ASICSRUS

If you are seeing a pattern and not profiting from it then you are an idiot.

Them ripping you off or fixing things is far less likely than their "random" being nothing more than a pattern - an elaborate one but a pattern nonetheless. Being random is difficult and imho a lot of the time in the current btc gambling goldrush "provably fair" is actually pushing what should be random into a straight jacket that decreases randomization rather than increases it.

Also it's fucking dice! ffs. Try a game of skill

yes my friend: a pattern of false representation!w/Displaying fake odds!  

You've said you've identified a pattern. In layman's terms you know ahead of time what dice will be rolled so why are you still losing?

it's called a: "seed override" type mechanism that insures user loss!!!