DefaultTrust is BAD. Very bad.

[SaltySpitoon]

If you check his trust, you see that Theymos added him to default trust, with the comment, "Responsibly disclosed forum security flaws." so I'd imagine thats how he got on the default trust network.

But really, he had tons of feedback, being on the default trust list I don't really think gave him any additional power after he had an additional 100 people leave good feedback for him. Assuming Tradefortress actually planned the long con if it was one, the default trust wouldn't help him all that much past a certain point.

In all fairness, I believe its just as likely that he staged the hack, as it is it was actually a hack, and now he just can't pay back the Bitcoins. Either way, a lot of people are out money.

[Damnsammit]

If you check his trust, you see that Theymos added him to default trust, with the comment, "Responsibly disclosed forum security flaws." so I'd imagine thats how he got on the default trust network.

Sounds like horse shit to me.

He disclosed security flaws but then his site got "hacked"?  He's a scam artist and Theymos is either a fool or he was in on it.

[Lohoris]

If you check his trust, you see that Theymos added him to default trust, with the comment, "Responsibly disclosed forum security flaws." so I'd imagine thats how he got on the default trust network.

Sounds like horse shit to me.

He disclosed security flaws

It likely means that he "penetration tested" the forum without authorization, and blackmailed the owner to either pay him a bounty or bring it down.

IIRC he has already done things like that in the past.

[Damnsammit]

Default trust... what an oxymoron...

hahahah never thought about it like that, but definitely an oxymoron...

[DiamondCardz]

DefaultTrust would be fine and people wouldn't bitch about it if people weren't added to it just because they're friends of theymos. Fuck, at least have some user input if it's DEFAULT.

I don't even edit my trust list because 90% of the forum will just have DefaultTrust and see my trust as DefaultTrust thinks it should be anyway. No point having 999 people with the same trust list and being the 1 person with a different trust list.

[jackjack]

DefaultTrust would be fine and people wouldn't bitch about it if people weren't added to it just because they're friends of theymos. Fuck, at least have some user input if it's DEFAULT.

I don't even edit my trust list because 90% of the forum will just have DefaultTrust and see my trust as DefaultTrust thinks it should be anyway. No point having 999 people with the same trust list and being the 1 person with a different trust list.

This

[b!z]

I have an idea. Why not have a notification bar at the top of every page that doesn't go away until you've read how the Trust system works, and you've edited your Trust settings?

[DiamondCardz]

"Well hang on, my trust list says you're untrusted..."

"Hm? Mine says that I have +5 rep points and that you have -1..."

"No, it says -5 for you..."

- Why everyone having a different trust list isn't a perfect system.

I agree that having everyone being able to give rep that means something is bad because...look at my rep page, but having those people be exclusively chosen by ~10 people is worse.

[jackjack]

"Well hang on, my trust list says you're untrusted..."

"Hm? Mine says that I have +5 rep points and that you have -1..."

"No, it says -5 for you..."

- Why everyone having a different trust list isn't a perfect system.

I agree that having everyone being able to give rep that means something is bad because...look at my rep page, but having those people be exclusively chosen by ~10 people is worse.

I don't see why everybody should have the same trust about someone...
Why should I trust someone you trust?

You have -1 for me and I have -5 for you? Well I guess we won't trade together. And that's all.

[DiamondCardz]

"Well hang on, my trust list says you're untrusted..."

"Hm? Mine says that I have +5 rep points and that you have -1..."

"No, it says -5 for you..."

- Why everyone having a different trust list isn't a perfect system.

I agree that having everyone being able to give rep that means something is bad because...look at my rep page, but having those people be exclusively chosen by ~10 people is worse.

I don't see why everybody should have the same trust about someone...
Why should I trust someone you trust?

You have -1 for me and I have -5 for you? Well I guess we won't trade together. And that's all.

Hmmm, true.

[jackjack]

"Well hang on, my trust list says you're untrusted..."

"Hm? Mine says that I have +5 rep points and that you have -1..."

"No, it says -5 for you..."

- Why everyone having a different trust list isn't a perfect system.

I agree that having everyone being able to give rep that means something is bad because...look at my rep page, but having those people be exclusively chosen by ~10 people is worse.

I don't see why everybody should have the same trust about someone...
Why should I trust someone you trust?

You have -1 for me and I have -5 for you? Well I guess we won't trade together. And that's all.

Hmmm, true.

Well the problem remains for newbies who don't know trustable people and/or can be easily tricked

[MakeBelieve]

It seems the trust system is causing more heartache than good.

[Kouye]

Tweaked my settings a bit. I added users I haven't interacted with, but with ratings I like/trust.

Much better

You got TradeFortress in your default trust list...
Which makes it useless to me.

[DiamondCardz]

Tweaked my settings a bit. I added users I haven't interacted with, but with ratings I like/trust.

Much better

You got TradeFortress in your default trust list...
Which makes it useless to me.

TF isn't in DefaultTrust anymore.

[Kouye]

TF isn't in DefaultTrust anymore.

Meant he added TF to his root trust, sorry.

[AndrewWilliams]

Speaking of abuse of the trust system...



Sod, I mean, Vod has sunken to new lows:

Posted in his sent feedback:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=104135



just_me -6: -1 / +0(0)   2013-11-08   0.00000000  
Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320104.msg3516069#msg3516069
"User has mental health problems and has lost touch with reality. Do not do business with this person!"




The thread was started by just_me to discuss Christianity.

Predictably enough Vod starts thread crapping calling Christianity a cult and insulting every Christian posting in it.

Apparently, being a Christian and discussing it is enough for him to call someone mentally ill and taint their reputation.

Since Vod has no shame, I implore everyone to give Vod negative feedback for continuously harassing Christians on this forum, until he removes his false feedbacks.




This is after he accused me of identity theft with no proof, since I offered loans in the lending section which he likes to bully on, giving anyone he dislikes neg feedback. He continues to troll me, saying I am in a cult because of my Christian beliefs.

Vod is in the default trust list (surprise!)

Is this the type of behavior that people who run the forum support?

[Kouye]

Speaking of abuse of the trust system...



Sod, I mean, Vod has sunken to new lows:

Posted in his sent feedback:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=104135



just_me -6: -1 / +0(0)   2013-11-08   0.00000000   
Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320104.msg3516069#msg3516069
"User has mental health problems and has lost touch with reality. Do not do business with this person!"




The thread was started by just_me to discuss Christianity.

Predictably enough Vod starts thread crapping calling Christianity a cult and insulting every Christian posting in it.

Apparently, being a Christian and discussing it is enough for him to call someone mentally ill and taint their reputation.

Since Vod has no shame, I implore everyone to give Vod negative feedback for continuously harassing Christians on this forum, until he removes his false feedbacks.




This is after he accused me of identity theft with no proof, since I offered loans in the lending section which he likes to bull on. He continues to troll me, saying I am in a cult because of my Christian beliefs.

This is completely off-topic, please go rant somewhere else.

[AndrewWilliams]

What part of Vod is on the default trust list do you not understand?

Like, seriously?

[jackjack]

"Well hang on, my trust list says you're untrusted..."

"Hm? Mine says that I have +5 rep points and that you have -1..."

"No, it says -5 for you..."

- Why everyone having a different trust list isn't a perfect system.

I agree that having everyone being able to give rep that means something is bad because...look at my rep page, but having those people be exclusively chosen by ~10 people is worse.

I don't see why everybody should have the same trust about someone...
Why should I trust someone you trust?

You have -1 for me and I have -5 for you? Well I guess we won't trade together. And that's all.

Hmmm, true.

Well the problem remains for newbies who don't know trustable people and/or can be easily tricked

Yes but trusting scammers is not going to help them.

[Kouye]

What part of Vod is on the default trust list do you not understand?

Like, seriously?

Ok, let's play at "Where's Vod".

Code:

sirius
theymos
HostFat
Maged
OgNasty
CanaryInTheMine
John (John K.)
Tomatocage
SaltySpitoon
BadBear
escrow.ms