The "What Black Arrow does not want you to know" thread

[Betaman2k]

Hi

short question is Black Arrow scam yes or no ? ( any proofs ? )

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[Foofighter]

no, they delivered fpgas month ago

[VinCeCream]

They're resellers, I bought stuff from him but I think their mining gear is not that real ...

[bobsag3]

no, they delivered fpgas month ago

And I have a warehouse full of their bitfury 16 chip boards.

[xzempt]

no, they delivered fpgas month ago

And I have a warehouse full of their bitfury 16 chip boards.

pics =

[bobsag3]

no, they delivered fpgas month ago

And I have a warehouse full of their bitfury 16 chip boards.

pics =

Go look all over the GB forum, their FS thread, and their website. Plenty of proof. Has their name on it.

[Bogart]

I have a stack of their Lancelot clones mining beside me on my desk.

[Ridicuss]

no, they delivered fpgas month ago

And I have a warehouse full of their bitfury 16 chip boards.

pics =

Go look all over the GB forum, their FS thread, and their website. Plenty of proof. Has their name on it.

I am in one of the DZ Black Arrow group buys and it is real and hashing now.

[Gator-hex]

Haven't you ever hired someone to do images or a website only to find later that they ripped off the images / the site ?

-MarkM-

I'm sure that's what happened. Also has anyone heard of pirateat40 lately? I think he might have forgotten to pay out dividends for a while. I sure hope he's okay.

He's a little tied up right now..  

"Washington D.C., July 23, 2013 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged a Texas man and his company with defrauding investors in a Ponzi scheme involving Bitcoin"

http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.Un-nYiejN3U

I am not seeing this render anywhere on their site...
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html

It was there. Probably they've taken the image down for obvious reasons.

I can confirm that I saw that image on their site too.
The minion chip image is fake too you can see the Photoshop feathering on the right edge over the circuit board print.

The fact they won't take Credit Card, Paypal, or Escrow doesn't fill me with confidence either.

no, they delivered fpgas month ago

It was a different web site address back then, if I recall correctly, are these the same people? And they really only resold other peoples stuff, rather than making their own ASIC chip, which is going to be much harder.

They list their address as:
 801, Building 2, Huangduguangchang, Yitian Road, Futian District, Shenzhen, Guangdong, P. R. China, Postcode: 518048
but the domain registra lists the owner as:
 Yi Tian Black Arrow LTD 90 jaffe road wanchai hong kong

When I look the last address up it's says Henan Building and they seem to rent office space.

[bobsag3]

Haven't you ever hired someone to do images or a website only to find later that they ripped off the images / the site ?

-MarkM-

I'm sure that's what happened. Also has anyone heard of pirateat40 lately? I think he might have forgotten to pay out dividends for a while. I sure hope he's okay.

He's a little tied up right now..  

"Washington D.C., July 23, 2013 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged a Texas man and his company with defrauding investors in a Ponzi scheme involving Bitcoin"

http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.Un-nYiejN3U

I am not seeing this render anywhere on their site...
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html

It was there. Probably they've taken the image down for obvious reasons.

I can confirm that I saw that image on their site too.
The minion chip image is fake too you can see the Photoshop feathering on the right edge over the circuit board print.

The fact they won't take Credit Card, Paypal, or Escrow doesn't fill me with confidence either.

no, they delivered fpgas month ago

It was a different web site address back then, if I recall correctly, are these the same people? And they really only resold other peoples stuff, rather than making their own ASIC chip, which is going to be much harder.

They list their address as:
 801, Building 2, Huangduguangchang, Yitian Road, Futian District, Shenzhen, Guangdong, P. R. China, Postcode: 518048
but the domain registra lists the owner as:
 Yi Tian Black Arrow LTD 90 jaffe road wanchai hong kong

When I look the last address up it's says Henan Building and they seem to rent office space.

Um what part of their ASIC is a preorder and not actually done yet did you have trouble understanding.
They did take CC and Paypal... but both them and I have been dropped by both. BFL really ruined things for us. Their 'shop is no different than CT or HF or even KnC before they delivered.

Yes, they have offices in China, HK and the UK. They are the same people.

[madpoet]

Yeah... weird thread.  I mean, we've got like 3Thz hashing over in the DZ group buy with pics and everything, so... there's that.

[Bicknellski]

Haven't you ever hired someone to do images or a website only to find later that they ripped off the images / the site ?

-MarkM-

I'm sure that's what happened. Also has anyone heard of pirateat40 lately? I think he might have forgotten to pay out dividends for a while. I sure hope he's okay.

He's a little tied up right now..  

"Washington D.C., July 23, 2013 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged a Texas man and his company with defrauding investors in a Ponzi scheme involving Bitcoin"

http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.Un-nYiejN3U

I am not seeing this render anywhere on their site...
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html

It was there. Probably they've taken the image down for obvious reasons.

I can confirm that I saw that image on their site too.
The minion chip image is fake too you can see the Photoshop feathering on the right edge over the circuit board print.

The fact they won't take Credit Card, Paypal, or Escrow doesn't fill me with confidence either.

no, they delivered fpgas month ago

It was a different web site address back then, if I recall correctly, are these the same people? And they really only resold other peoples stuff, rather than making their own ASIC chip, which is going to be much harder.

They list their address as:
 801, Building 2, Huangduguangchang, Yitian Road, Futian District, Shenzhen, Guangdong, P. R. China, Postcode: 518048
but the domain registra lists the owner as:
 Yi Tian Black Arrow LTD 90 jaffe road wanchai hong kong

When I look the last address up it's says Henan Building and they seem to rent office space.

Um what part of their ASIC is a preorder and not actually done yet did you have trouble understanding.
They did take CC and Paypal... but both them and I have been dropped by both. BFL really ruined things for us. Their 'shop is no different than CT or HF or even KnC before they delivered.

Yes, they have offices in China, HK and the UK. They are the same people.

If you think the Black Arrow one was bad... how about BFL Monarch render and recently them lifting a picture from Rice University for their hosting?! http://www.pgal.com/portfolio/rice-university-data-center-2/  vs.  http://www.butterflylabs.com/landing/slanding.php

[nomad13666]

If you think the Black Arrow one was bad... how about BFL Monarch render and recently them lifting a picture from Rice University for their hosting?! http://www.pgal.com/portfolio/rice-university-data-center-2/  vs.  http://www.butterflylabs.com/landing/slanding.php

LOL awesome   

[Gator-hex]

If you think the Black Arrow one was bad... how about BFL Monarch render and recently them lifting a picture from Rice University for their hosting?! http://www.pgal.com/portfolio/rice-university-data-center-2/  vs.  http://www.butterflylabs.com/landing/slanding.php

LOL awesome  

Yeah similar to BFL and it took them a year to get the bugs worked out of their own custom ASIC!
Ask those who pre-ordered Jalapeños how that worked out for them.  

no, they delivered fpgas month ago

That also reminds me of the bASIC pre-orders, whatever happened to BTCFPGA.com?

Both these two made their own FPGAs and failed at ASICs.

PayPal is not yet working properly. We wrote them and waiting for reply.

Despite what they say about not being able to accept PayPal/Credit Cards for Bitcoin orders both KnCminer.com and technobit.eu manage to do it, probably because they can deliver within the 45 days refund window and not funding product development with customer money.

If you're new around here just be aware putting money into pre-orders can be damaging to your wealth!  

[Bicknellski]

No one can really be equated to BFL other than Avalon I think at this point.

BFL are the 'REFUND DENIERS'.

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Black Arrow? Well they do have a number of projects completed and shipped.
Do they have paypal and CC? Nope and that is a concern and if you have been burned by BFL and AVALON no sense getting burned potentially a 3rd time.

Does Black Arrow offer escrow in BTC? Maybe that is one angle you can work on and approach them with. I am not sure that they are trying to make CC and PayPal a reality or not or if their situation is such that would be easier or harder than say KnC had with their ability to provide CC and Paypal. However looking at what BFL did there are 0 guarantees even with CC and Paypal seeing as how BFL fights every refund request.

From what I can tell they have the engineers they can build an ASIC and whether or not they reach the finish line is a bet you have to take based on what you can learn from the specs they will post or have posted on the chips.

Any engineer worth their salt will be able to tell you if what they have designed is doable or where they might have huge issues. That could be a really good indicator for many on whether or not I would invest.

Again with any of this don't put in more than you are willing to lose.

[Gator-hex]

Does Black Arrow offer escrow in BTC?

Nope, they already said they consider escrow a sale, not an investment.
They need to raise $millions probably to go into production, all payments are one way only.

Any engineer worth their salt will be able to tell you if what they have designed is doable or where they might have huge issues.

No public tape-out so no engineer can tell you if it's a viable project.

Again with any of this don't put in more than you are willing to lose.

Yep, newbies should not confuse what's offered as an item for sale, at this point it is purely a speculative investment.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I am not seeing this render anywhere on their site...
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html

It was there. Probably they've taken the image down for obvious reasons.

Because it was a render? No where did they state that was the final product. Says that right on the order form.

Reads to me like Matt Carson was in bed with Alex Sovu/Alex Berk from the get-go.

Matt, do you care to be the first one to tell fellow bitcoiners how you walked away from your lease in Rolla, MO, that was hosting bitcoin miners for others, or should I? Don't forget to include the part where you strung the poor sap (owner of the building) along after only paying the first month's lease payment.

While you're at it, state why you did the same thing to the poor sap who leased you 2057 Vienna Rd, Rolla, MO, after living there for only a couple months.

Matt, feel free to negate any of the above, but make sure you first move your datacenter again there in Denver, for I just about have that location nailed down, otherwise investomers will know of your location when they start demanding refunds in droves. Not that that's a bad thing, with the exception that their money is already up in smoke (PUN INTENDED!).

In case you missed it, Matt: Game On! And you're behind.

~Bruno Kucinskas

[dogie]

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Seriously, are you not content in spamming your stuff in THREE threads that you now have to bump a 3 month old one?

[Phinnaeus Gage]

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Seriously, are you not content in spamming your stuff in THREE threads that you now have to bump a 3 month old one?

Dude, I'm not spamming. I'm spreading gospel. Big difference, aint' that right, Reverend Jim?

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I am not seeing this render anywhere on their site...
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html

I suggest opening a window so that you'll be able to see better, Number One Fanboi.