Conflict of Interest on DT1

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Yeah, maybe not right now but he clearly did in the past https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1013494.0 so, how come it was ok in the past but you get red tagged in the present?

I don't necessarily think it was OK "back then" in 2016 when I started tagging account sellers, but this was kind of a problem that was emerging.  It became clear to me at least that people here were starting to deal in accounts, and that led to shitposting account farmers, and that people were buying green-trusted accounts in order to scam or to shitpost with.  This crap was not immediately apparent to me when I joined in 2015 as far as I can recall.

So I tag account dealers.  There's a limit on how many deals I see going on, and how far back I'm going to go.  At this point I'm not about to start searching years-old threads to tag account dealers.  And I may miss some.  That 'inconsistency' may grind on some people, but think about how many crimes occur that don't ever get prosecuted.  We all learn to suck it up and move forward.

[Maum]

Yeah, maybe not right now but he clearly did in the past https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1013494.0 so, how come it was ok in the past but you get red tagged in the present?

I don't necessarily think it was OK "back then" in 2016 when I started tagging account sellers, but this was kind of a problem that was emerging.  It became clear to me at least that people here were starting to deal in accounts, and that led to shitposting account farmers, and that people were buying green-trusted accounts in order to scam or to shitpost with.  This crap was not immediately apparent to me when I joined in 2015 as far as I can recall.

So I tag account dealers.  There's a limit on how many deals I see going on, and how far back I'm going to go.  At this point I'm not about to start searching years-old threads to tag account dealers.  And I may miss some.  That 'inconsistency' may grind on some people, but think about how many crimes occur that don't ever get prosecuted.  We all learn to suck it up and move forward.

You needn't search. OP found it for you.... with evidence.
Anyway, the argument of some posters here, that "account selling was the norm" is weak, as it didn't change today, also forum rules are the same.
It only shows, that not each account seller/buyer seems to be a scammer. So give all the same attention and chances, before tagging down or tag them all, what would be also ok. And as I remember right, spam was also posted in mass at that time, even by DT-members.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It only shows, that not each account seller/buyer seems to be a scammer. So give all the same attention and chances, before tagging down or tag them all, what would be also ok.

I think there needs to be a deterrent.  You seem to overlook the utility of leaving negs for account sellers--true, there's no scientific study showing that such an effect exists, but in my eyes it beats doing absolutely nothing on a forum where people are allowed to scam (and do), people are allowed to shitpost at will (and do), and where we're told to give the benefit of the doubt where users buy, sell and trade merits, even when it's obvious what they're doing.

I just gave a neg to a guy who is obviously an account farmer for selling accounts of all shapes and sizes:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3089343.0

I feel very warm and fuzzy doing this, though he probably won't care and apparently thinks that any negs left for him are from his competitors.  This guy is facilitating scams, shitposting, and account farming, and is letting others gain access to rank (and perhaps trust, though this isn't a selling point here) that the buyer did not earn.  Fuck 'em.

[amishmanish]

You have conveniently chosen to ignore the different circumstances that the forum has gone through in the years 2015-2018. You are trying to make their actions look questionable by differentiating between the actions they take in 2018 and compare it to actions they didn't take in 2015. This was the time when some of the Sig campaigns were just starting. Nobody would have guessed that this will become such a huge problem. Least of all people who were still just members back then, like Yahoo.

I tried looking at how the threads you quote ended as examples of yahoo's wrongoings really ended. Here it is.

• trying to gain trust via loans -  was asking for small loans to build up trust

Yahoo clearly mentions that he is a relatively new account and made his intention pretty clear. On being suggested by Vod that it's not a good idea, he promptly closed the thread. This is what he said at the end:
"maybe this is a bad idea. sorry guys, not looking to be thought of as new scammer on the block. ill close the thread. im not in need of 4-8$ to be thought of as a scammer"

• Selling this account - tried to sell his account unsuccessfully

Again this was back in 2015. His actions just look to be someone trying various ways to set up a business/ income. When he sees that the offers aren't worth it, he simply took it back.  What I would be worried about is if someone continues to do this through these years making account trading their chief business and resulting in scams.

• ITS MY BIRTHDAY!!! - begging for tips, claiming it was his birthday

What exactly is wrong with that? I see just some member account being over-enthusiastic and doing the reddit inspired "Help me out" guys. This isn't begging. He just tried his luck. Not sure he got much out of it apart from the curry and ice cream at the day's end.

• i need a reliable escrow - looking for an escrow agent to help with a forum account sale
• Hero Auction - auctioned a "Hero" forum account, clearly a distinct transaction from above
• Yahoos micro loans thread (collateral is a must) - made loans using forum accounts as collateral; ultimately used thread to purchase at least three forum accounts

Again. selling an account back in 2015 and asking for an escrow. Trying to make a business out of it till it became kindda unacceptable.

In my opinion, he was just more enterprising than others. That shows even now. He has taken some positive steps like paying more for members with merit scores. He has also called for improvements in campaign management.
He even offers this signature campaign with his name on it. I'd say he isn't shying away from sharing his earnings to those in the forum. He is just being the old-blooded capitalist while also providing an opportunity for other members to earn through his own signature campaigns as well as those he manages. What is the problem here?

Next you have tried to drag in actmyname and Lauda as usual. You just have to go through their post histories to see the kind of work they put in. People like you on the other hand are only creating distractions. You seem well-intentioned enough so I'd really prod you to read what Lauda said about the thread. The examples you gave above were all without basis and anybody who takes the time to go through them will understand that you are trying too hard to make a false case here.

This could have been a nice thread, like the one that the other guy did. However, you let a disgusting amount of bias, exaggeration and misrepresentation get in the way. This thread is mostly based on emotion[1], not reason.
It really seems like the classic charade, and not a constructive assessment of the issues that we have here. You do not try to understand the other side, but see DT as some kind of status and power (notably with the word 'punish'). Have you ever thought about how many countless hours these people have spent trying to protect others in this place? Trying to reduce theft (which most alt abuse essentially is), or just helping in general? Have you thought about how it is to do such a thankless "job" for years? You have not, and obviously you do not care.

[whistleblower2]

• ITS MY BIRTHDAY!!! - begging for tips, claiming it was his birthday

What exactly is wrong with that?

Begging is not allowed.

• i need a reliable escrow - looking for an escrow agent to help with a forum account sale
• Hero Auction - auctioned a "Hero" forum account, clearly a distinct transaction from above
• Yahoos micro loans thread (collateral is a must) - made loans using forum accounts as collateral; ultimately used thread to purchase at least three forum accounts

Again. selling an account back in 2015 and asking for an escrow. Trying to make a business out of it till it became kindda unacceptable.

In my opinion, he was just more enterprising than others.

Your account was created in 2017, how exactly do you claim to know what was going on in 2015?

Account dealers aren't to be trusted: that's true. Which is why you don't see Blazed doing account trading right now. In comparison, a lot of DT members have tagged a plethora of users doing account trading in 2017 and 2018.

Based on your statement, you will be Red Tagging Blazed, yahoo62278 and lauda, yes? The timing does not matter.

Oops, that should say "merit". I will correct it shortly. Feel free to address my (corrected) concern.

Most things are wrong, which is why this thread is tiring to me and probably to others. The GDPR thing has nothing to do with the account connection, the merit statement is wrong again.

He says he will send merit for any reason he wants

A statement like that, taken out of context sounds wrong, no? Anyone in their right mind knows what I meant with it.

What did you mean by it, exactly? For anyone who wants to see the context, they can easily look at the post and thread themselves. I think the post mirrors the Red Tagging behavior described in this very thread.

What is the lie? 

"Without a doubt engaged in this very same activity in the past" - There is no proof of this,

No proof except the clear evidence of you asking to buy forum accounts 10 at a time, and your deletion of thousands of posts to cover this up.

This could have been a nice thread, like the one that the other guy did.

No other DT1 member has this conflict of interest. There is no other major trust circles in DT. No other DT1 members have a trust list of people who are this inconsistent in their ratings.

[whistleblower2]

I asked yahoo62278 to respond to this thread, and below is his response:

No response is needed from me. You're on a witch hunt and I refuse to participate in it due to you not getting the results for your agenda. You have had plenty of responses which you refuse to accept. It's obvious the community doesn't really care for the witch hunt.

I find it interesting that yahoo62278 thinks trying to eliminate conflicts of interest is a "witch hunt". This does not sound like someone who wants to be held accountable.

If anyone doubts the authenticity of this statement, it can be verified by an admin, the PMID is msg8205732


I also reached out to Blazed for a response, but he has not logged in since ~6 hours after I started this thread

[yahoo62278]

I asked yahoo62278 to respond to this thread, and below is his response:

No response is needed from me. You're on a witch hunt and I refuse to participate in it due to you not getting the results for your agenda. You have had plenty of responses which you refuse to accept. It's obvious the community doesn't really care for the witch hunt.

I find it interesting that yahoo62278 thinks trying to eliminate conflicts of interest is a "witch hunt". This does not sound like someone who wants to be held accountable.

If anyone doubts the authenticity of this statement, it can be verified by an admin, the PMID is msg8205732


I also reached out to Blazed for a response, but he has not logged in since ~6 hours after I started this thread

Verifying I did in fact reply to this user with this statement. Interesting he waited 3 days to pm myself and apparently Blazed over the issue once his thread wasn't receiving the publicity and response he wanted.

You have conveniently chosen to ignore the different circumstances that the forum has gone through in the years 2015-2018. You are trying to make their actions look questionable by differentiating between the actions they take in 2018 and compare it to actions they didn't take in 2015. This was the time when some of the Sig campaigns were just starting. Nobody would have guessed that this will become such a huge problem. Least of all people who were still just members back then, like Yahoo.

I tried looking at how the threads you quote ended as examples of yahoo's wrongoings really ended. Here it is.

• trying to gain trust via loans -  was asking for small loans to build up trust

Yahoo clearly mentions that he is a relatively new account and made his intention pretty clear. On being suggested by Vod that it's not a good idea, he promptly closed the thread. This is what he said at the end:
"maybe this is a bad idea. sorry guys, not looking to be thought of as new scammer on the block. ill close the thread. im not in need of 4-8$ to be thought of as a scammer"

• Selling this account - tried to sell his account unsuccessfully

Again this was back in 2015. His actions just look to be someone trying various ways to set up a business/ income. When he sees that the offers aren't worth it, he simply took it back.  What I would be worried about is if someone continues to do this through these years making account trading their chief business and resulting in scams.

• ITS MY BIRTHDAY!!! - begging for tips, claiming it was his birthday

What exactly is wrong with that? I see just some member account being over-enthusiastic and doing the reddit inspired "Help me out" guys. This isn't begging. He just tried his luck. Not sure he got much out of it apart from the curry and ice cream at the day's end.

• i need a reliable escrow - looking for an escrow agent to help with a forum account sale
• Hero Auction - auctioned a "Hero" forum account, clearly a distinct transaction from above
• Yahoos micro loans thread (collateral is a must) - made loans using forum accounts as collateral; ultimately used thread to purchase at least three forum accounts

Again. selling an account back in 2015 and asking for an escrow. Trying to make a business out of it till it became kindda unacceptable.

In my opinion, he was just more enterprising than others. That shows even now. He has taken some positive steps like paying more for members with merit scores. He has also called for improvements in campaign management.
He even offers this signature campaign with his name on it. I'd say he isn't shying away from sharing his earnings to those in the forum. He is just being the old-blooded capitalist while also providing an opportunity for other members to earn through his own signature campaigns as well as those he manages. What is the problem here?

Next you have tried to drag in actmyname and Lauda as usual. You just have to go through their post histories to see the kind of work they put in. People like you on the other hand are only creating distractions. You seem well-intentioned enough so I'd really prod you to read what Lauda said about the thread. The examples you gave above were all without basis and anybody who takes the time to go through them will understand that you are trying too hard to make a false case here.

This could have been a nice thread, like the one that the other guy did. However, you let a disgusting amount of bias, exaggeration and misrepresentation get in the way. This thread is mostly based on emotion[1], not reason.
It really seems like the classic charade, and not a constructive assessment of the issues that we have here. You do not try to understand the other side, but see DT as some kind of status and power (notably with the word 'punish'). Have you ever thought about how many countless hours these people have spent trying to protect others in this place? Trying to reduce theft (which most alt abuse essentially is), or just helping in general? Have you thought about how it is to do such a thankless "job" for years? You have not, and obviously you do not care.

This is the best response for this thread, yet the OP refuses to accept it and move on. Apparently he has been tagged by multiple users on Blazed list so he is trying to get Blazed removed from DT. I have my suspicions as to whom this user is as well.

When you post something showing I actually scammed someone I'll make an actual response here. Good luck because it has never happened.

I also think if you're going to post a smut thread, you should do it from your personal account. Don't be a puss and hide behind an alt. If we tagged you because you asked legitimate questions, then we'd be idiots. You're not or shouldn't be tagged for legitimate concerns. Check my trust history, i'm not that vindictive

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I have my suspicions as to whom this user is as well.

Oh, you mean like a famously disgraced member here who has a long history of playing out his vendettas with alt accounts and beating dead-horse issues that he seems convinced people will care about if only he makes enough noise?  Yeah, I got that impression as well after reading his last few replies.  

Give it up, QS, it's obvious.  I was initially fooled and responded to you even though I was pretty sure you were an alt of someone else, but now it's pretty obvious this is just another one of your alts employed to give an apparently fresh voice to your tired old gripes.

I find it interesting that yahoo62278 thinks trying to eliminate conflicts of interest is a "witch hunt".

You've got an obvious agenda, even if you weren't obviously Quickseller, and I don't blame him for not wanting to be a part of it.  Take a break from this for a minute and give us your opinion on Quickseller's escrow scamming.  Can you do that for me?

[owlcatz]

The owner of this thread is... You guessed it... Quickscammer! 

[Vod]

The owner of this thread is... You guessed it... Quickscammer! 

Hmm, the OP used "sir".  When have you know Quickscammer to respect anybody?

Except of course, pretending to respect what I say to get more attention.

[owlcatz]

Vod, you know it's him. LOL.

[Silent26]

If this guy is Quickseller (Quickscammer). It seems like he's not giving up to drag down DT1 members since 2016 isn't? It seems like he really got some personal principles.

[Chinese909]

If Blazed sold accounts in the past to Scammers its not a surprise for me that his trust list is full with dumbass account sellers . Account dealers are not to be trusted ,in certain juridiction account dealers are considered as criminals cause you trade personal identity information for money.

Don't quote massive posts like that just to make a one-liner.Account dealers aren't to be trusted: that's true. Which is why you don't see Blazed doing account trading right now. In comparison, a lot of DT members have tagged a plethora of users doing account trading in 2017 and 2018.

Yeah, maybe not right now but he clearly did in the past https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1013494.0 so, how come it was ok in the past but you get red tagged in the present?

Since 2015 this group of DT Members created scammers

Before 2017 the forum did not have a subforum to trade accounts now it has a subforum : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1785577.0  I still think Account delears should never be trusted .

[amishmanish]

• ITS MY BIRTHDAY!!! - begging for tips, claiming it was his birthday

What exactly is wrong with that?

Begging is not allowed.

I know. I think you continue showing the identifiable trait of taking things out of context and using them as "proof". This is typical behavior from someone with an agenda. You willfully ignore the part of my reply that mattered and the basis on which anybody reading that thread would form an opinion.

"I see just some member account being over-enthusiastic and doing the reddit inspired "Help me out" guys."

• i need a reliable escrow - looking for an escrow agent to help with a forum account sale
• Hero Auction - auctioned a "Hero" forum account, clearly a distinct transaction from above
• Yahoos micro loans thread (collateral is a must) - made loans using forum accounts as collateral; ultimately used thread to purchase at least three forum accounts

Again. selling an account back in 2015 and asking for an escrow. Trying to make a business out of it till it became kindda unacceptable.

In my opinion, he was just more enterprising than others.

Your account was created in 2017, how exactly do you claim to know what was going on in 2015?

Are you feigning stupidity to divert or are actually stupid enough to ask this. People read Dear Sir.

From your patronizing responses, (Trying to school me about "begging not allowed"; Implying that as one of the "2017" accounts, I shouldn't have any clue about bitcoin's/ forum's history) it is pretty much clear you are an alt-account with an agenda. You simply refuse to engage and just want to malign people who, I must now assume, are rivals who have possibly taken away/ damaged your business/ reputation.

I too wouldn't agree with a lot of old members doing business here. Lot of the managers have enabled the ICO Spam that is giving cryptos a bad name and have enriched themselves on the way. But again, this is all pretty recent phenomena. If they were to become more responsible about whom they choose to support, It'll just be an evolutionary glitch.

The issue is that it's quite difficult to implement a forum-wide policy when scammers are willing to pay quite a lot to pull off a scam. The managers can't  be too judgmental only to lose their business to someone else willing to look the other way. Maybe those are the kind of tricky issues that need to be solved by people who have gained from this forum in the past. That may include people like you who are wasting their energies and everyone else's time in such mutually destructive debates.

If you are an old account whose conscience hasn't been completely overtaken by the mathematics of "BTC/USD conversion rate" then please try to be positive and constructive. Stop playing these power games, look at the bigger picture where this forum has played an amazing role in moving things forward for the bitcoin ecosystem. Stop damaging it with these stupidities.

[amishmanish]

Since 2015 this group of DT Members created scammers

Before 2017 the forum did not have a subforum to trade accounts now it has a subforum : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1785577.0  I still think Account delears should never be trusted .

It's funny how people are attempting to form a sort of pressure group to keep pushing for:

1. Changes to the merit system
2. Taking away DT status from members like Lauda, actmyname, Pharmacist etc who give negative rating to spammers.

Welcome to democracy and class-wars in the age of information. Where I want my pedestrian, uniformed "opinion" to hold as much weight as an expert's, well-researched advice. Because well, I too have twitter and facebook and can get 5000 like me to follow me. LOL.. 

Thoughts on Account Dealing: My identity on the forum is pretty much an open book. I joined to learn and see what this awesome place has to offer. I was fascinated that developers like Hal Finney, Maxwell, Gavin, Mike Hearn and the lot, even Satoshi himself posted here. the 10,000 BTC pizza started here. I didn't know enough to care much about anonymity.

Now when i think of it, If i wanted to really do something to help people in BTC usage, I'd like to be anonymous. But if i start a business with a newbie account, can i hope to hit the ground running?? No. It'll take longer. In that case, i could think about looking for an anonymous, established identity here. I think those are the lines along which someone wanting to buy an account in 2015-16 would have thought. Anonymity has its own advantages if you want to be constructive but unfortunately, it is a double-edged sword, much like cryptography.

Account dealers just saw the opportunity at that time but it morphed into something much more vicious when people started buying accounts to wield DT power or to simply turn them into Zombie accounts for Bounty stakes.

[whistleblower2]

Interesting he waited 3 days to pm myself and apparently Blazed over the issue once his thread wasn't receiving the publicity and response he wanted.

I sent a PM to Blazed 36 hours before sending a PM to you, if you want to change this, please send 0.00208333 BTC to 3BDMF7bFyVCrTpPe76tMGjywV7meWnEf4E (owned by theymos) which will grant me copper member status, and I will send you a PM every time I post in this thread. The delay in sending you a PM was also due to the assumption that you will see this thread about you and would respond accordingly.

The way I see your refusal to respond to this thread, including after acknowledging you had been made aware of this thread privately, and only responding (if you call your post a response) after it was made public that you are aware of this thread, is that you wanted to pretend you were not aware of this thread to avoid addressing the uncomfortable concerns about your history and your business practices.

When you post something showing I actually scammed someone I'll make an actual response here. Good luck because it has never happened.

Who would have thought that a trust farming, begging, account seller would be a part of a trust circle?

There is the serious accusation that you are participating in Red Tagging your competitors in the account trading business, among other things, such as trust farming.

Why exactly have you failed to Red Tag several members in Blazed's trust list who have clearly traded forum accounts in the past, when you Red Tag others who do the very same thing?

Are you trying to prevent forum accounts from being sold by others while allowing accounts be sold by those within your circle? If you claim to not currently sell accounts, when exactly did you stop? Why?

I also think if you're going to post a smut thread, you should do it from your personal account.

If you believe this, I would point you to this post by Lauda, and correct him in saying the OP of that thread should post from his main account. Or do you only have this opinion when someone is posting anonymously pointing out things that expose your not-so-squeaky-clean past? 

Check my trust history, i'm not that vindictive

I think this guy might disagree with you. It seems you left him a Red Tag because he posted some concerns about you. Some people might say you have a pretty thin skin, and cannot handle criticism.

I was initially fooled and responded to you even though I was pretty sure you were an alt of someone else, but now it's pretty obvious

yahoo62278 literally provided no evidence, nor claimed to have any evidence of who I am posting on behalf of, yet you say you know exactly who is behind this thread, and are outraged. Color me suspicious.

I think both yahoo62278 and yourself do not want to answer to the uncomfortable concerns raised in this thread. Even though I have posted clear and concise evidence that yahoo62278 and others in Blazed's trust list have traded accounts in the past, you refuse to Red Tag these people. Why is this? I think blazed is in the center of a trust farming ring, who protects account sellers within his ring. Your prior posts imply you are unwilling and/or unable to backup your Red Tags based on their merits, and rely on the weakness of those you have Red Tagged.

If this guy is Quickseller (Quickscammer). It seems like he's not giving up to drag down DT1 members since 2016 isn't? It seems like he really got some personal principles.

You claim to know what has happened in 2016 (including when something started), yet you created your account in mid-2017. You are the second account (amishmanish was the first) to have this very same discrepancy. Color me suspicious.

One might even go as far as to say the sock puppets within the trust circle are out in full force protecting the trust circle.

[amishmanish]

You claim to know what has happened in 2016 (including when something started), yet you created your account in mid-2017. You are the second account (amishmanish was the first) to have this very same discrepancy. Color me suspicious.

One might even go as far as to say the sock puppets within the trust circle are out in full force protecting the trust circle.

LOL..!! So anyone who calls your bullshit is a part of the "Trust circle" now?? You are just slinging mud on everyone randomly and waiting to see what sticks.

You are a perfect example of the proverbial pig in the mud. Done replying to you. Putting you on ignore.

[o_e_l_e_o]

You claim to know what has happened in 2016 (including when something started), yet you created your account in mid-2017. You are the second account (amishmanish was the first) to have this very same discrepancy. Color me suspicious.

I forgot about the new forum rule that says you are only allowed to read posts from after your account was created. (/s)

[2girls]

**this post inspired by Annon001**

Conflict of interest must be avoided

Hi Sirs,

While looking through the forum Archives, I found a thread entitled [WTS] Senior Account Delete Me Please by DT1 member Blazed. The thread can be viewed by clicking on this link. The last post in the thread indicated the forum account was sold.

Much of the DT controversy is concentrated in those on Blazed's trust list.

Take yahoo62278 for instance. He has created threads such as:

• trying to gain trust via loans -  was asking for small loans to build up trust
• Selling this account - tried to sell his account unsuccessfully
• ITS MY BIRTHDAY!!! - begging for tips, claiming it was his birthday
• i need a reliable escrow - looking for an escrow agent to help with a forum account sale
• Hero Auction - auctioned a "Hero" forum account, clearly a distinct transaction from above
• Yahoos micro loans thread (collateral is a must) - made loans using forum accounts as collateral; ultimately used thread to purchase at least three forum accounts

So this guy is a trust farming, begging, account seller. He has a decent amount of trust, his score is 50: -0 / +5, with 4 of the 5 ratings being attributed to other users on Blazed's trust list. He also runs many signature campaigns, can we be sure he is not enrolling his own accounts to milk the owners of these campaigns?

Here is the kicker, he is now giving negative trust for "sold accounts". This looks a lot like a conflict of interest to me. It looks a lot like he is "red tagging" some of his competition.


Another good example is Lutpin. He created a thread entitled:

• btcmasterZ is extorting me - claimed to be getting extorted by another user

This guy doesn't appear to sell accounts or farm trust, but he is another signature campaign manager. His history indicates he was a little immature in the past, but hey, everyone needs to learn at one point. He seems to have handled a decent amount of other's money, so maybe he is a little trustworthy, his score is 110: -0 / +11 , with 7 of his 11 ratings being attributed to other users on Blazed's trust list.

A third point of controversy is The Pharmacist. He is not the smartest person, claiming to not know how to take a screenshot. I don't see much evidence he is especially trustworthy, he seems to have done a handful of PayPal deals, each worth $25 or so. From what I can tell, he has done a total of about $1,000 worth of trades over about three years. His trust score is 32: -0 / +5 , with 4 of his 5 ratings being attributed to other users on Blazed's trust list. He likes to leave negative trust for those that trade accounts, sometimes years after the fact, yet is inconsistant in what he will Red Tag users for, and will ignore requests to discuss concerns with ratings.


User actmyname is controversial enough, and has a low enough accuracy is his ratings that theymos excluded actmyname from his trust list:

I think that actmyname has been too hasty with some of his negatives, but I haven't had time to look carefully enough into it to justify making forceful changes. I did exclude actmyname from my trust list, so another DT1 could remove him from the default trust network by doing the same.

actmyname doesn't run any signature campaigns, but does Red Tag many users who "abuse bounty campaigns" and who trade forum accounts. He has only completed a handful of trades, and his trust score is 18: -0 / +2, with all of his ratings being attributed to other users on Blazed's trust list.

Member mexxer-2, apparently used to sell forum accounts himself, however some people say mexxer-2 is actually a purchased account that was purchased after these types of threads was created. He allegedly failed to repay a loan from Lutpin, although no evidence to support this has been posted, he has negative ratings for this, however has no ratings for his prior activity selling accounts (or buying his account, depending on who you believe).

User Lauda is by far the most controversial user in DT. He enquired about deleting all personal information hosted on the forum, not long before it was exposed that Lauda had attempted to buy forum accounts 10 at a time. He has been involved in at least one extortion attempt. He says he will send merit for any reason he wants, while using his Red Tagging abilities to punish those who he circumstantially believes are sending merit for reasons he does not agree with. He selectively Red Tags people engaged in account trading, even though he previously, without a doubt engaged in this very same activity in the past, and may well still be engaged in this activity.

Lauda's trust score has taken a little bit of a hit since his extortion scheme was exposed, falling to 2: -2 / +13 with two scam reports, with Lauda retaliating with a baseless Red Tag of his own, and smearing both those who left negative trust in relation to this. However if you exclude everyone on Blazed's trust list, his trust score falls to : -2 / +4.


TL;DR: multiple people on Blazed's trust list have sold forum accounts in the past, including Blazed, yet none of them have Red Tagged anyone on Blazed's trust list for this reason, despite many leaving thousands of Red Tags for this reason, sometimes looking back many years to find this activity. Multiple people are on Blazed's trust list that manage signature/bounty campaigns, and many others use their DT status to "help" signature/bounty campaign managers by giving Red Trust to "cheaters".


Lastly, and most importantly, many people on Blazed's trust list seem to all have positive trust from each other, none have negative trust from each other (with the exception of mexxer-2, for a loan default, which should be easy to prove, but hasn't been), despite many engaging in the very behavior that they leave Red Trust for.



I guess I would ask Blazed, What is going on here?

Thank you for reading.

P.S. I am new here    

Excellent Work & research Done.
By reading All the below posts in this OP thread, its seems like all the thief's are trying to clarifying themselves that they are most noble ad respected person whom can even involved in all the wrong things like Accouns sellings etc and still no one can harm them.


 

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This type of activity is either an indication that someone is a scammer, or it isn't. There really is not a lot of gritty area here.

That isn't true, not by a long shot.  The gray area is the whole reason why scammers aren't banned and DT members have to take care of them with feedback.

I have indeed removed feedback from users when they've proven themselves to be good members of bitcointalk.  It's rare, but it's happened.  I consider people who deal in bitcointalk accounts to be guilty until they prove themselves otherwise.  My thought is that when you are buying an account, you're either going to use it for its reputation to scam, or you're going to use it for its rank to get into a campaign--probably to shitpost with.  Either use is pretty sketchy.  But people have earned positive trust and have proven themselves to NOT be shitposters eventually, and I am willing to give second chances in those instances.  

Ignoring concerns is not okay.

You don't understand what we're dealing with here.  My inbox is not filled with rational arguments for feedback removal, which I certainly would consider.  It is filled with stuff like the following:

Dear Sir,
I m a poor person. I m suffering my life with the earning of btalk. After few days later my moms eye operation I need money either she will blind.Its only my earning way.  Please boss forgive me if I did any wrong.  And remove my red trust. Its only my one account I do not use any account more. Please sir help the poor god will help u.

Dear Sir
I know you are good person. I will die sir if my mother will blind. Plz help me sir I will follow what you say I never do mistake more.  Plz boss save my life.  I m bagging you!!!

Dear manager
I hope you are doing good.
It is my humble request again, please give me one more chance to improve my post and knowlwde and i'll try make quality post, please reconsider your decision of negative trust that you have given me and please give me a second chance.English is  not my first language so i am not so good at english. please re consider  your decision and give me one more chance to improve myself..
If you find me in future doing low quality post you can BAN my account but please give me a second chance.

Regards: Shaour Zafar094

^^Note that I'm not a manager of anything.

Tell me reason bledy fuck you stupid fellow you have sense tell me currect reason

sir pls, im sorry

Hi good eve.

I would like to apologize what I've  did, I'm just a new beginner and I dont know that it's not allowed to qoute legendary people.

I'm begging, I want my account clear with no problem by others.
Can i have you're trust again sir?

Best regards,
Jraf95

Hi sir, please can you remove the negative trust on me, that post was very long ago when i was a newbie.
Please give some little consideration. Thanks

^^Note that the "very long ago" part is referring to my feedback being left 2 months prior.

sir, can u review again why u give me redtrust.... and what do u mean about "3 world shitposters" ?

hello sir, im newbie in bitcointalk ,please remove my red trust because this the only way i earn money, promise i did not do it again. .

Hi sir, I'm sorry before. I will ask to you how to erase my DT-2 and negative trust? Can you help me, please. I hope you read this message and help. Thanks

And on and on...hopefully you get the picture.  What I'm getting is begging, and these people can barely do this coherently.  

If someone really has a strong argument that I've left feedback in error, they can start up a thread and some community feedback wouldn't hurt.  But if I don't block them?  They will flood my inbox with this gibberish, and there are just too many for me to allow that.

And who is it you think I need to defend my position on each and every feedback to?  If the people in the trust hierarchy think I'm getting it all wrong, they will cast their collective vote and I'll no longer be on DT--it happened before and it could well happen again.  I accept that.  But in the meantime, I think I'm doing a reasonably good job tagging the ones who need to be tagged.

why have you not left Lauda, mexxer-2, or yahoo62278 a Red Tag?

Because they haven't earned my distrust.  Lauda & Yahoo62278 definitely have earned my trust, mexxer-2 much less so.  I'd probably leave mexxer-2 a negative for scamming Lutpin if I thought it would make a difference, but it wouldn't.  I'm leaving that entire matter to Lutpin and Lauda, who have already negged him and know far more about what happened or didn't happen than I do.

Are you crazy "The Pharmist" ? Do you think all these people are begging to you to that they will die if you wont remove negative trust ?
Or they will stave to death ? or their near ones are in trouble ?

You miss the whole point here. All of them are trying to warn you that you will face all these probelms in your life soon if you keep on doing the evil things with innocent people.

Feeling so sad for you, Pharmist