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Yeah, for the first time in a long time a higher win than 50 Satoshi. However, I wonder why the win is also linked to the BTC rate... Because our income is directly linked to the exchange rate. When people buy Bitcoin to gamble with they get less BTC for their fiat when the price has gone up. Yes I realize that. I just did not understand why this is also done with wheel of fortune... But well, I think because of the 15000$ main prize!
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February 13, 2021, 02:57:41 AM |
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No. We are all relatives and your site is inaccessible in our country and we must use VPN,~
You're a poor liar. It's obvious you signed up those 2 new accounts to cheat referral commissions. VPNs are there to provide anonymity to gamblers and not abuse free plays. If you are unfortunate enough to live in a country that bans you from using certain sites then you are responsible for abiding by the laws you live under.
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Are you sure you are not getting confused with your other account 41199321? Both referred to the same account playing for free from VPNs and both spending all their free winnings on lottery tickets? You can't get to 100% doing that. https://imgur.com/4swLn91No. We are all relatives and your site is inaccessible in our country and we must use VPN, not only for your site, other sites like Twitter, Facebook, etc also need, and for that, We always use VPN and what you say happened to other user, I know because he is my cousin and after the upgrade didn't work for him, he did not use it anymore and he asked me if your problem is solved, tell me that. If my problem is solved, he will come after me and say the same thing. This seems to be the same issue which we are tired hearing. You people just make alt accounts to cheat the system referral earnings and once get caught, all those alts accounts becomes your brother, sister, wife , husband etc. You need to understand that you cannot fool those who are running the site for so many years.
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I used to have alot of referalls ( mostly my friends ) that wager 1 satoshi per roll with martingale strategy then lose everything . I also tried to wager before using the base bet of 1 satoshi in the martingale strategy but I noticed that it seems useless because every time you hit the right result after the lose streak nothing good will be returned. So if I want to be safe, the minimum is 10 sats as I bet on the dice game. When it comes to affiliate programs, that is not the case with more referrals. Because what is their value if in the beginning they will use the platform and stop as well. But the good thing is that they can come back whenever they want. You know that when they return, they will make a huge contribution to your earning. As for me, I never thought I would have a referral to my 53 referrals that would give me a good amount.
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February 13, 2021, 04:23:12 AM |
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People start doing this... thinking that the few Satoshi that they are claiming is actually worth something.
It is if you wait long enough, I wouldn't put too much effort into it but just as a page that loads on browser open is hardly a big ask. If we went back to 2016 era it might be that the faucet payout was 1000 satoshi or even double that or more and that's now half a dollar. We didn't know but its pretty much the same for all of crypto that it doesn't add up to much at first. Take the faucet and gamble it on slim odds the event nobody thinks will occur but might, then nothing is lost but maybe a gain; depends how people want to play it. People lack imagination and patience to wait, I think the site now with event bets is far broader interest.
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February 13, 2021, 09:49:39 AM Last edit: February 13, 2021, 10:38:14 AM by freebitco.in.user |
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No. We are all relatives and your site is inaccessible in our country and we must use VPN,~
You're a poor liar. It's obvious you signed up those 2 new accounts to cheat referral commissions. VPNs are there to provide anonymity to gamblers and not abuse free plays. If you are unfortunate enough to live in a country that bans you from using certain sites then you are responsible for abiding by the laws you live under. You slandered me and for this I post video to find out who is a liar. I hope instead of calling others liars,think about solving the problem of your site. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aog1n8mHhr4&feature=youtu.beyou are poor , you think who you are that knows everything in the world. so sorry for you. _______________ see that, can't access too many sites, like your site without vpn. There was no need to delete my account, I wouldn't rolling on it anymore.
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February 13, 2021, 12:02:14 PM |
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Already 3572 lottery tickets, not bad! I have 46 tickets (thanks to the Wheel of Fortune), so also hope to be lucky this time . I have even more of them rn. Wheel of Fortune has been very generous to me: multiple 5000 and 500 RP! Did you already place some new bets on the bitcoin/ethereum price for february? I didn't place any for BTC price, because it's 10+ days left, and right now it is unclear whether we going towards the correction or $50k+? But with Ethereum, especially considering the current Time Weight Multiplier, 39.44x, I found it easier to place couple of small bets here Right now it feels like I simply can't lose, but we'll see what happens in two weeks.
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February 13, 2021, 12:09:42 PM |
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I didn't place any for BTC price, because it's 10+ days left, and right now it is unclear whether we going towards the correction or $50k+? But with Ethereum, especially considering the current Time Weight Multiplier, 39.44x, I found it easier to place couple of small bets here Right now it feels like I simply can't lose, but we'll see what happens in two weeks. I just checked these bets. They look indeed pretty safe, even when a big correction would occur, you would still win this. Placed the same bets as you, just because the time multiplier is so high. Odd for ETH price between 1501$ - 2000$ is now around 1.89 and for 1251$ -1500$ around 6.22
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February 13, 2021, 12:28:52 PM |
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Bitcoin Price Betting - $50,000 on the Horizon?2021 has been the year of Bitcoin. Right when we thought BTC might have hit its high in January, it rallied to the unprecedented $47,000 mark. Where will BTC go next? Use your knowledge to predict Bitcoin Price movement in February and win BTC! Notable odds: 2.59X on $40,001 - $50,000, 4.57X on $50,001 - $60,000. 0.45 BTC on the line. February BTC Price Betting expires on 23rd Feb. Head over to FreeBitco.in and start betting now!
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February 13, 2021, 01:21:21 PM |
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Hello
What is the PRIZE POOL please?
Is it related to the odds or it's just a bonus ?
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February 13, 2021, 01:42:09 PM |
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I just checked these bets. They look indeed pretty safe, even when a big correction would occur, you would still win this. Placed the same bets as you, just because the time multiplier is so high. Odd for ETH price between 1501$ - 2000$ is now around 1.89 and for 1251$ -1500$ around 6.22
I hope you guys get this one through. All it needs is just one big downswing on bitcoin then the rest of the alt will follow the downtrend What is the PRIZE POOL please? Exactly what it is. The amount of money on the pool to reward the winner for their bets Is it related to the odds
Yes. The odds, your wager and time weight multiplier will define your share of the prizepool in case if you win your bet or it's just a bonus ? No. The bonus would be from the time weight multiplier
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February 13, 2021, 02:01:03 PM Last edit: February 13, 2021, 02:14:37 PM by JasonXIII |
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What is the PRIZE POOL please? Exactly what it is. The amount of money on the pool to reward the winner for their bets Is it related to the odds
Yes. The odds, your wager and time weight multiplier will define your share of the prizepool in case if you win your bet or it's just a bonus ? No. The bonus would be from the time weight multiplier Thank you
Is this bonus from "the time weight multiplier" included in the final odd displayed or not?
If not, it means I will receive : my bet*final odd + a bonus from the time weight multiplier ?
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February 13, 2021, 03:20:58 PM |
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I like the option that Freebitco.in has to predict the price of Bitcoin, not only do you bet and gambling but you can have a certain advantage because by applying knowledge of fundamental and technical analysis you can obtain an additional advantage, this option is very good, the growth of freebitco.in is impressive. I wonder if they will incorporate more similar contests with other cryptocurrencies later? Like ETH, and the main cryptocurrencies.
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-snip- Is this bonus from "the time weight multiplier" included in the final odd displayed or not? If not, it means I will receive : my bet*final odd + a bonus from the time weight multiplier ? Im not sure to call it as a 'bonus' or not but its more like incentive to put in your wager earlier than the others but of course there are higher risk with early bet as well The time weight multiplier will not affect the odds but rather your wager. If you wager 0.001 btc with 10x time weight multiplier and the final odds is 2x that means you will receive 0.0022 if you win instead of 0.002 because you received 10% extra from the bonus weight multiplier so your wager count as 0.001 btc instead Edit = CMIIW, its been a while since I bet in here
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-snip- Is this bonus from "the time weight multiplier" included in the final odd displayed or not? If not, it means I will receive : my bet*final odd + a bonus from the time weight multiplier ? Im not sure to call it as a 'bonus' or not but its more like incentive to put in your wager earlier than the others but of course there are higher risk with early bet as well The time weight multiplier will not affect the odds but rather your wager. If you wager 0.001 btc with 10x time weight multiplier and the final odds is 2x that means you will receive 0.0022 if you win instead of 0.002 because you received 10% extra from the bonus weight multiplier so your wager count as 0.001 btc instead Edit = CMIIW, its been a while since I bet in here Yes I think it works like that, that's why I'm calling that a bonus.
Unfortunately it's not explained anywhere on the site and the amount of bonus you won isn't detailed in your prize.
There is just the total amount you've won. It's quite shady for a provably fair casino
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It is if you wait long enough, I wouldn't put too much effort into it but just as a page that loads on browser open is hardly a big ask. If we went back to 2016 era it might be that the faucet payout was 1000 satoshi or even double that or more and that's now half a dollar. We didn't know but its pretty much the same for all of crypto that it doesn't add up to much at first. Take the faucet and gamble it on slim odds the event nobody thinks will occur but might, then nothing is lost but maybe a gain; depends how people want to play it. People lack imagination and patience to wait, I think the site now with event bets is far broader interest.
If you look at it that way you could have go back to first days of freebitcoin where you could have made maybe 1 bitcoin in a year if you worked for it, and 50k dollars for a years' work is more than enough for most people, not just third world countries neither, we are talking about the biggest and richest nations in the world, if you live in USA, UK, Germany, France etc etc those places are still fine and great for 50k a year. But, the point is you would be doing it 5-6 years ago when bitcoin was unknown, and of course the price went up when it became more known, but the same amount of increase can't happen now, we are talking about bitcoin at under 100-200 dollars and now it is 50k, that is 250 times the increase and for that to happen again we would need the 50k to become 12.5 million dollars per bitcoin and let's be honest that is not going to happen anytime soon, not in this decade at least.
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It is if you wait long enough, I wouldn't put too much effort into it but just as a page that loads on browser open is hardly a big ask. If we went back to 2016 era it might be that the faucet payout was 1000 satoshi or even double that or more and that's now half a dollar. We didn't know but its pretty much the same for all of crypto that it doesn't add up to much at first. Take the faucet and gamble it on slim odds the event nobody thinks will occur but might, then nothing is lost but maybe a gain; depends how people want to play it. People lack imagination and patience to wait, I think the site now with event bets is far broader interest.
If you look at it that way you could have go back to first days of freebitcoin where you could have made maybe 1 bitcoin in a year if you worked for it, and 50k dollars for a years' work is more than enough for most people, not just third world countries neither, we are talking about the biggest and richest nations in the world, if you live in USA, UK, Germany, France etc etc those places are still fine and great for 50k a year. But, the point is you would be doing it 5-6 years ago when bitcoin was unknown, and of course the price went up when it became more known, but the same amount of increase can't happen now, we are talking about bitcoin at under 100-200 dollars and now it is 50k, that is 250 times the increase and for that to happen again we would need the 50k to become 12.5 million dollars per bitcoin and let's be honest that is not going to happen anytime soon, not in this decade at least. If they knew that bitcoin would skyrocket, then they wouldn't give away that much bitcoins. I remember how easily I won 0.002 bitcoins in some rolls, nowadays it's roughly $100. Btw you could easily collect 1 bitcoin in the timeframe that you mentioned. For an indian guy, 50K in one year would be impressive, amazing but for a person who lives in California, USA, it would be nothing amazing. Depends on the country, for some people it's the amount of money that can really help them to have a dream life because it's easy to start a business in certain countries and doesn't require high capital. Btw it doesn't matter, the past is in your head, the future is in your hand and freebitco has never been so great, they rock right now.
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If you look at it that way you could have go back to first days of freebitcoin where you could have made maybe 1 bitcoin in a year if you worked for it, and 50k dollars for a years' work is more than enough for most people, not just third world countries neither, we are talking about the biggest and richest nations in the world, if you live in USA, UK, Germany, France etc etc those places are still fine and great for 50k a year.
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That is right but who knew that those few satoshis collectively will be worth thousands of dollars one day as we were getting more than 2k satoshis and just screwed it up every time we played dice game there. I remember the times when I made 100x out of 20k satoshis which I collected in a day and sold them for just $20 when btc was sub $1000. If I knew it will be worth $1000 one day, I may not have touched my coins and kept them safe.
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February 13, 2021, 10:34:37 PM Last edit: June 12, 2023, 01:43:15 AM by STT |
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The faucet goes up like a quarter when price drops below a certain amount. The constant adjustment was always a core thing, just BTC being this high puts us at the end of the yellow brick road because it is the impossible in reality. Cant blame the original algorithm for that, I dont think in retrospect anything would have been different and if we didn't claim the faucet and save it then thats on us. I just was never that serious about it, Ive said before but if nobody used BTC for stuff I think it fails then tbh so it is better to bet some of your balance imo and price will go down over months sometimes also or its not right. 50k is the amount of income they debate whether to send help for struggling families. 50k sounds alot then you have to realize USA is also pretty bad on taxes, some states maybe you pay half of that in taxes of various sorts federal and local. There is some advantage in varying countries where the costs aren't ridiculous for rent or housing especially is a big deal. That is why Im optimisic on some elements of 2020 that occurred to further distance or remote working and general efficient usage of networks rather then people sitting in traffic for an hour to go to work and an hour to come back. I always thought the sad reality of commuting was like being in the Flintstones cartoon where its almost surreal comedy how much waste is occurring in processes eg. to jam pack people closer. That relates to crypto because this is or should be about efficiency and distance secure transactions, if thats true and dollar continues to be a political mess rotting capitalism inside out then crypto likely does well year to year; even if we dropped the rest of this year I'd still recognize this as likely ongoing bullish trend. Check your emails for the free wheel of fortune spins, very nearly expired my free spin from it getting buried in my email inbox. Nows the time to check as any further on and it runs out of time to claim, I checked 2x free spins and got the big RP reward so worth a thought. I need to remake my mail filter to highlight it.
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TimeTeller
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February 13, 2021, 10:44:10 PM |
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If you look at it that way you could have go back to first days of freebitcoin where you could have made maybe 1 bitcoin in a year if you worked for it, and 50k dollars for a years' work is more than enough for most people, not just third world countries neither, we are talking about the biggest and richest nations in the world, if you live in USA, UK, Germany, France etc etc those places are still fine and great for 50k a year.
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That is right but who knew that those few satoshis collectively will be worth thousands of dollars one day as we were getting more than 2k satoshis and just screwed it up every time we played dice game there. I remember the times when I made 100x out of 20k satoshis which I collected in a day and sold them for just $20 when btc was sub $1000. If I knew it will be worth $1000 one day, I may not have touched my coins and kept them safe. Regret is always at the end. Remember all those btc faucets that were giving thousands of satoshis every hour. Now, a lot of them are already gone. Crypto users didn't have any idea that btc will reach this level. I remember I was collecting my free satoshis via the microwallet site. But anyway, great to see that freebitco is still alive despite all the struggles in crypto. Most of its contemporaries were long gone already and yet, they managed to survive.
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