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[iv4n]

Well it's called lottery for good reason. It's true that the more tickets you hold, the higher chance you get but it's never a guarantee. It could take years or it could never come at all.
It doesn't disappoint me anymore because I'm already used to not winning it (I had over 7000 tickets in the last round).

From the above stats and last round we can just agree with your words, it's a lottery for a good reason, in the end, the number of tickets is not so important! Of course, it's better when you have more, but that doesn't mean anything really!

I can only relate, I don't feel disappointed anymore... In 5 years I didn't get in the top 10 even once! But I am still trying!

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[STT]

The lottery is going to have a  bias towards the largest whale bettors, that is as it should be and also in proportion it still allows everyone a chance no matter how slim.    Im reckon Im drawing on my half forgotten stats lessons here but its valid to categorize probabilities which are equal when considering the likelihood of an overall outcome.  So if there perhaps is a million people with 10 tickets and one big player accumulated 10 million tickets, individually the little players garner ( 50% / 1m ) chance their exact 10 tickets popping up; while the big player with far more tickets has a 50% chance of winning but if considering either category collectively their chances are equal.
   This is why it gets puzzling when the little guy can come through with such an unlikely win, there was always some chance and alot of the time people are getting free entries as well but altogether to consider outcome result per ticket odds the masses of people may have equal or even greater chances then the largest bettors of collecting the weekly lottery.   Thats how I view it and I might be off on whether that's the correct way to arrange odds.

[Saint-loup]

It is still clear to me that 99% of the time favorite team will end up with worse odds here because it is (whatever the real name for this method is) based on player vs player betting. So let's assume Real Madrid vs Getafe plays one day, in other method you may see 1.40 vs 9.00 odds right? I am just making up the numbers here, and let's assume you come and check here for the same thing, you "usually" see 1.27 odds for Real Madrid BUT you see 15.00 odds for Getafe, once again numbers are made up.

Do not focus on the numbers because I just wrote anything there, I just wanted to explain the mindset, so if you ever believe underdogs will win, then this place has probably the biggest possible return for that ever, do it early and you will get one of the highest ever. However the favorites usually do not get that much of a return here to be fair.

Don't spread fakenews and bullshits here bro, I don't know where you have got those numbers, but they are totally wrong. If you take into account all the bonuses you get when you place a bet here, most of the times odds for the favorites are above those you can find elsewhere even with a small weight multiplier. You should try to bet here before spreading hoaxes like that.

[DarkStar_]

It is still clear to me that 99% of the time favorite team will end up with worse odds here because it is (whatever the real name for this method is) based on player vs player betting. So let's assume Real Madrid vs Getafe plays one day, in other method you may see 1.40 vs 9.00 odds right? I am just making up the numbers here, and let's assume you come and check here for the same thing, you "usually" see 1.27 odds for Real Madrid BUT you see 15.00 odds for Getafe, once again numbers are made up.

Do not focus on the numbers because I just wrote anything there, I just wanted to explain the mindset, so if you ever believe underdogs will win, then this place has probably the biggest possible return for that ever, do it early and you will get one of the highest ever. However the favorites usually do not get that much of a return here to be fair.

Don't spread fakenews and bullshits here bro, I don't know where you have got those numbers, but they are totally wrong. If you take into account all the bonuses you get when you place a bet here, most of the times odds for the favorites are above those you can find elsewhere even with a small weight multiplier. You should try to bet here before spreading hoaxes like that.

I don't know why you're being so aggressive about something that can be easily proven to be false. Looking at the expired bets, the first one I saw where I knew there was an obvious favourite is Espanyol vs Real Madrid. FreeBitcoin had these odds (with an time weight multiplier of 0x):


We'll focus on the favourite (Real Madrid), which has odds of 1.16 without a time multiplier. Let's assume you placed a bet with a 50x weight multiplier, which I think is definitely at least a "small" weight multiplier. It means your profit would be increased by 50% effectively, giving you odds of 1.24.

Let's consider bonuses now. If you held 500k FUN tokens (worth roughly $10k USD at current pricing) for 360 days, you would have 1% cashback on your bet. You also get other perks, being 1 lottery ticket and 1 reward point per 500 sats wagered and a free golden ticket for every 500k satoshis wagered. A reward point is worth 1 satoshi, and a lottery ticket costs 1 satoshi, which we will value at 1 satoshi even though the EV from the ticket is going to be less than 1 satoshi. A golden ticket costs 25k satoshis, but is definitely worth way less^[1] considering the EV. However, to benefit you the most, I'll also count it as 25k satoshi value.

Let's say we bet 1 BTC on Real Madrid, and assume that odds aren't changed. Upon winning the bet, we would profit 0.24BTC. From just placing the bet, we would get 0.01BTC in cashback, 200000 reward points (0.002BTC), 200000 lottery tickets (0.002BTC) and 200 golden tickets (0.05BTC with a huge asterisk). Effectively, this becomes a 1BTC - (0.01BTC + 0.002BTC + 0.002BTC + 0.05BTC) = 0.936BTC bet to win 0.24BTC, for odds of 1.26.

When the Espanyol vs Real Madrid market closed on traditional books, you could easily find odds of at least 1.60 if not higher (Pinnacle was offering 1.68, and is known to be a book that does not limit winners).

By placing a bet on FreeBitcoin with the maximum benefits, valuing lottery/golden tickets at their purchases price and not the EV, and with a generous 50x time multiplier (since you mentioned a "small" weight multiplier), your odds would be at least 0.34 lower than a traditional sportsbook for this specific outcome in this specific market. In other words, your profit would be more than halved. I'm not going to go into this much detail for other markets, but just by browsing through the history, you can see a lot of markets where betting the favourite on FreeBitcoin ended up being significantly worse off than betting the favourite on another site.

On the other side, had you bet on Espanyol with a 50x time multiplier, your odds would be at least 8.50, which is significantly higher than the ~5.80 you could find on other sportsbooks excluding bonuses.

TLDR: Sometimes FreeBitcoin is way worse, way better or about the same when you compare betting odds for events. It's false to say that most of the time betting favourites on FreeBitcoin is a better deal, especially with a small time multiplier.

^[1]Last golden ticket draw had a prize of just 3.96 BTC, with 2,895,004 tickets in play. This gives each ticket an EV of 0.00000137BTC (137 satoshis), a huge difference from the 25k satoshi price.

[ryser]

The lottery is going to have a  bias towards the largest whale bettors, that is as it should be and also in proportion it still allows everyone a chance no matter how slim.    Im reckon Im drawing on my half forgotten stats lessons here but its valid to categorize probabilities which are equal when considering the likelihood of an overall outcome.  So if there perhaps is a million people with 10 tickets and one big player accumulated 10 million tickets, individually the little players garner ( 50% / 1m ) chance their exact 10 tickets popping up; while the big player with far more tickets has a 50% chance of winning but if considering either category collectively their chances are equal.
   This is why it gets puzzling when the little guy can come through with such an unlikely win, there was always some chance and alot of the time people are getting free entries as well but altogether to consider outcome result per ticket odds the masses of people may have equal or even greater chances then the largest bettors of collecting the weekly lottery.   Thats how I view it and I might be off on whether that's the correct way to arrange odds.

I think that is a good way of looking at it.
if you break ticket holders into groups you get this:
group with
1 to 500 tkts      ~20% tkts;
500-3,000 -      ~10%;
3,000-5,000       ~45%;
5,000-10,000       ~10%;
10,000-100,000      ~10%;
100,000+              ~5%.

So even though individually whales have better chances than other players
 as a group they are less likely to win than any other group.
The largest group is people with 3-5K tickets and we see a lot of them among the winners.

[Saint-loup]

It is still clear to me that 99% of the time favorite team will end up with worse odds here because it is (whatever the real name for this method is) based on player vs player betting. So let's assume Real Madrid vs Getafe plays one day, in other method you may see 1.40 vs 9.00 odds right? I am just making up the numbers here, and let's assume you come and check here for the same thing, you "usually" see 1.27 odds for Real Madrid BUT you see 15.00 odds for Getafe, once again numbers are made up.

Do not focus on the numbers because I just wrote anything there, I just wanted to explain the mindset, so if you ever believe underdogs will win, then this place has probably the biggest possible return for that ever, do it early and you will get one of the highest ever. However the favorites usually do not get that much of a return here to be fair.

Don't spread fakenews and bullshits here bro, I don't know where you have got those numbers, but they are totally wrong. If you take into account all the bonuses you get when you place a bet here, most of the times odds for the favorites are above those you can find elsewhere even with a small weight multiplier. You should try to bet here before spreading hoaxes like that.

I don't know why you're being so aggressive about something that can be easily proven to be false. Looking at the expired bets, the first one I saw where I knew there was an obvious favourite is Espanyol vs Real Madrid. FreeBitcoin had these odds (with an time weight multiplier of 0x):


We'll focus on the favourite (Real Madrid), which has odds of 1.16 without a time multiplier. Let's assume you placed a bet with a 50x weight multiplier, which I think is definitely at least a "small" weight multiplier. It means your profit would be increased by 50% effectively, giving you odds of 1.24.

Let's consider bonuses now. If you held 500k FUN tokens (worth roughly $10k USD at current pricing) for 360 days, you would have 1% cashback on your bet. You also get other perks, being 1 lottery ticket and 1 reward point per 500 sats wagered and a free golden ticket for every 500k satoshis wagered. A reward point is worth 1 satoshi, and a lottery ticket costs 1 satoshi, which we will value at 1 satoshi even though the EV from the ticket is going to be less than 1 satoshi. A golden ticket costs 25k satoshis, but is definitely worth way less^[1] considering the EV. However, to benefit you the most, I'll also count it as 25k satoshi value.

Let's say we bet 1 BTC on Real Madrid, and assume that odds aren't changed. Upon winning the bet, we would profit 0.24BTC. From just placing the bet, we would get 0.01BTC in cashback, 200000 reward points (0.002BTC), 200000 lottery tickets (0.002BTC) and 200 golden tickets (0.05BTC with a huge asterisk). Effectively, this becomes a 1BTC - (0.01BTC + 0.002BTC + 0.002BTC + 0.05BTC) = 0.936BTC bet to win 0.24BTC, for odds of 1.26.

When the Espanyol vs Real Madrid market closed on traditional books, you could easily find odds of at least 1.60 if not higher (Pinnacle was offering 1.68, and is known to be a book that does not limit winners).

By placing a bet on FreeBitcoin with the maximum benefits, valuing lottery/golden tickets at their purchases price and not the EV, and with a generous 50x time multiplier (since you mentioned a "small" weight multiplier), your odds would be at least 0.34 lower than a traditional sportsbook for this specific outcome in this specific market. In other words, your profit would be more than halved. I'm not going to go into this much detail for other markets, but just by browsing through the history, you can see a lot of markets where betting the favourite on FreeBitcoin ended up being significantly worse off than betting the favourite on another site.

On the other side, had you bet on Espanyol with a 50x time multiplier, your odds would be at least 8.50, which is significantly higher than the ~5.80 you could find on other sportsbooks excluding bonuses.

TLDR: Sometimes FreeBitcoin is way worse, way better or about the same when you compare betting odds for events. It's false to say that most of the time betting favourites on FreeBitcoin is a better deal, especially with a small time multiplier.

^[1]Last golden ticket draw had a prize of just 3.96 BTC, with 2,895,004 tickets in play. This gives each ticket an EV of 0.00000137BTC (137 satoshis), a huge difference from the 25k satoshi price.

But if you had taken another match, for example Czech Republic vs Wales, you wouldn't get this result.
The average odds on sportsbooks for Czech Republic, the favorite, were @1.77 while the final odds at freebitcoin had been @1.60.
Then with a 50x time weight multiplier it gives @1.90 +0.064 in bonuses according to your calculations (and you forgot to mention the bonus earned for the faucet BTW).

[DarkStar_]

(and you forgot to mention the bonus earned for the faucet BTW).

Fair enough - I did forget about the faucet boost from betting. However, I would argue that the golden ticket boost far outweighs the bonuses from the faucet, so it doesn't make a noticeable impact on calculations (makes it so that it favours you slightly less).

But if you had taken another match, for example Czech Republic vs Wales, you wouldn't get this result.
The average odds on sportsbooks for Czech Republic, the favorite, were @1.77 while the final odds at freebitcoin had been @1.60.
Then with a 50x time weight multiplier it gives @1.90 +0.064 in bonuses according to your calculations (and you forgot to mention the bonus earned for the faucet BTW).

I was looking more towards very heavy favourites, since tygeade mentioned odds of 1.40 (favourite) and 9.00 (underdog). I personally don't consider 1.80 odds in soccer to be much of a favourite though I can see how some people might interpret it that way. Let's look at a few more examples, and assume that you'll get 50% more profit than what FreeBitcoin displays (ends up being a ~40x time multiplier equivalent, which I would still argue is not a "small weight multiplier"). We'll only consider the favourite for the past, and I'll look at the last 6 expired events so that I'm not cherrypicking:

NFL - Week 5 - Kansas City Chiefs vs Buffalo Bills
Kansas: 1.31 -> 1.46 (FreeBitcoin) vs 1.70 (OddsPortal average)

World Cup Qualifiers - CONMEBOL - Argentina vs Uruguay
Argentina: 1.38 -> 1.57 (FreeBitcoin) vs 1.62 (OddsPortal average)

World Cup Qualifiers - CONMEBOL - Colombia vs Brazil
Brazil: 1.33 -> 1.5 (FreeBitcoin) vs 1.99 (OddsPortal average)

NFL - Week 5 - Arizona Cardinals vs San Francisco 49ers
Cardinals: 1.23 -> 1.35 (FreeBitcoin) vs 1.38 (OddsPortal average)

NFL - Week 5 - Los Angeles Chargers vs Cleveland Browns
Chargers: 1.38 -> 1.57 (FreeBitcoin) vs 1.75 (OddsPortal average)

NFL - Week 5 - Las Vegas Raiders vs Chicago Bears
Raiders: 1.28 -> 1.42 (FreeBitcoin) vs 1.42 (OddsPortal average)

Also note that for NFL, FreeBitcoin grades as a loss if the game is tied after OT while other books void; even if the odds are the same, FreeBitcoin is a worse deal. Ignoring that, FreeBitcoin is the worst option for 5/6 events on favourites, and equal for 1/6 events on favourites. That doesn't play very well into your argument that "most of the times odds for the favorites are above those you can find elsewhere even with a small weight multiplier". The average OddsPortal odds likely won't be the best odds that you're able to find either - they're average by definition.

[STT]

I would hedge odds that are out a bit but thats perhaps a bit risky for larger amounts as one bet at least will not pay.   1.8x is not far off an even odds result prediction, depends but obviously the house will win on either team so we'll never get exact odds.

The largest group is people with 3-5K tickets and we see a lot of them among the winners.

It would probably take a computer program or smart spreadsheet to sort through it all and estimate proper accuracy because the real world stats are varying the size of tickets so often.   We can estimate averages though.   The other thing I was thinking of is if a person just wins once per week, each prize alters in probability as maybe the biggest ticket holders are taken out of the running which helps the smallest bettors.

[slaman29]

I would like to echo DarkStar_ on the betting. And I've been here a while watching the games for a very long time. It has never, ever been better to bet on the favorites on this site, or even the close favs. That's just because of the P2P system, where in the betting world, majority of people and volume always side the favorites.

Underdog bets are much better, close to bookie or even better but you have to bet early and the match must be popular enough to attract a lot of volume on the favorite side.

I hitted 0 once hoped for a bonus 

Oh and 8888 as well,,, which is meaningless if you are not making a manual/auto wager with something else on it to win the Jackpot

[Saint-loup]

(and you forgot to mention the bonus earned for the faucet BTW).

Fair enough - I did forget about the faucet boost from betting. However, I would argue that the golden ticket boost far outweighs the bonuses from the faucet, so it doesn't make a noticeable impact on calculations (makes it so that it favours you slightly less).

But if you had taken another match, for example Czech Republic vs Wales, you wouldn't get this result.
The average odds on sportsbooks for Czech Republic, the favorite, were @1.77 while the final odds at freebitcoin had been @1.60.
Then with a 50x time weight multiplier it gives @1.90 +0.064 in bonuses according to your calculations (and you forgot to mention the bonus earned for the faucet BTW).

I was looking more towards very heavy favourites, since tygeade mentioned odds of 1.40 (favourite) and 9.00 (underdog). I personally don't consider 1.80 odds in soccer to be much of a favourite though I can see how some people might interpret it that way. Let's look at a few more examples, and assume that you'll get 50% more profit than what FreeBitcoin displays (ends up being a ~40x time multiplier equivalent, which I would still argue is not a "small weight multiplier"). We'll only consider the favourite for the past, and I'll look at the last 6 expired events so that I'm not cherrypicking:

NFL - Week 5 - Kansas City Chiefs vs Buffalo Bills
Kansas: 1.31 -> 1.46 (FreeBitcoin) vs 1.70 (OddsPortal average)

World Cup Qualifiers - CONMEBOL - Argentina vs Uruguay
Argentina: 1.38 -> 1.57 (FreeBitcoin) vs 1.62 (OddsPortal average)

World Cup Qualifiers - CONMEBOL - Colombia vs Brazil
Brazil: 1.33 -> 1.5 (FreeBitcoin) vs 1.99 (OddsPortal average)

NFL - Week 5 - Arizona Cardinals vs San Francisco 49ers
Cardinals: 1.23 -> 1.35 (FreeBitcoin) vs 1.38 (OddsPortal average)

NFL - Week 5 - Los Angeles Chargers vs Cleveland Browns
Chargers: 1.38 -> 1.57 (FreeBitcoin) vs 1.75 (OddsPortal average)

NFL - Week 5 - Las Vegas Raiders vs Chicago Bears
Raiders: 1.28 -> 1.42 (FreeBitcoin) vs 1.42 (OddsPortal average)

Also note that for NFL, FreeBitcoin grades as a loss if the game is tied after OT while other books void; even if the odds are the same, FreeBitcoin is a worse deal. Ignoring that, FreeBitcoin is the worst option for 5/6 events on favourites, and equal for 1/6 events on favourites. That doesn't play very well into your argument that "most of the times odds for the favorites are above those you can find elsewhere even with a small weight multiplier". The average OddsPortal odds likely won't be the best odds that you're able to find either - they're average by definition.

You didn't take into account the bonuses in those examples or you have lowered your time weight multiplier since your previous example.
But if you take a 50x multiplier as in your first example and incorporate the bonuses, you'll find that 3 of those 6 odds are more profitable on Freebitcoin than on other bookmakers(for Argentina, Cardinals and Raiders). This is half of this series. And I don't think a 50x multiplier is a very big multiplier since it usually takes several days to go down to this level.
In addition, bonuses are always paid, even if the bet loses at the end.

I would like to echo DarkStar_ on the betting. And I've been here a while watching the games for a very long time. It has never, ever been better to bet on the favorites on this site, or even the close favs. That's just because of the P2P system, where in the betting world, majority of people and volume always side the favorites.

Your calculations must be wrong then.

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[DarkStar_]

You didn't take into account the bonuses in those examples or you have lowered your time weight multiplier since your previous example.
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In addition, bonuses are always paid, even if the bet loses at the end.

I did a 50% profit boost to make calculation convenient and mentioned that it'll likely be around a 40x time weight multiplier if you include bonuses at their grossly inflated values. I did account for bonuses always being paid out.

But if you take a 50x multiplier as in your first example and incorporate the bonuses, you'll find that 3 of those 6 odds are more profitable on Freebitcoin than on other bookmakers(for Argentina, Cardinals and Raiders). This is half of this series. And I don't think a 50x multiplier is a very big multiplier since it usually takes several days to go down to this level.

However, there are several days left before the 50x becomes 0, so there's a decent amount of uncertainty. Looking at some of the pending events, it seems that the multiplier is 50x around 3 days before the match closes. A lot of people don't bet that early. In the 3 cases where FreeBitcoin was less profitable, they were significantly less profitable, while when the odds were better, it was only by a little bit. Anyway, my point that I've been trying to make is that this post is objectively wrong:

It is still clear to me that 99% of the time favorite team will end up with worse odds here because it is (whatever the real name for this method is) based on player vs player betting. So let's assume Real Madrid vs Getafe plays one day, in other method you may see 1.40 vs 9.00 odds right? I am just making up the numbers here, and let's assume you come and check here for the same thing, you "usually" see 1.27 odds for Real Madrid BUT you see 15.00 odds for Getafe, once again numbers are made up.

Do not focus on the numbers because I just wrote anything there, I just wanted to explain the mindset, so if you ever believe underdogs will win, then this place has probably the biggest possible return for that ever, do it early and you will get one of the highest ever. However the favorites usually do not get that much of a return here to be fair.

Don't spread fakenews and bullshits here bro, I don't know where you have got those numbers, but they are totally wrong. If you take into account all the bonuses you get when you place a bet here, most of the times odds for the favorites are above those you can find elsewhere even with a small weight multiplier. You should try to bet here before spreading hoaxes like that.

I don't think you've come anywhere near proving that tygeade is "spread[ing] fakenews and bullshits".

[Generalzod580]

Oh, man, c'mon, it was said friendly. I know arallmuus. He would never insult you just like that. Read this



and don't get offended.

If you are a fan of FreeBitco.in, like many of us here, then you are a part of our family. We love you, mate!

Thanks for clearing that up for me. i appreciate you guys too.
Apologies to arallmus for misunderstanding the meaning of what he said.

[TopV]

Hello guys so recently I forgot my phone password and I suddenly reboot it without hesitation and I forgot about my 2FA in freebitco and I can't log in it anymore because it requires a code in my phone and I don't have the 2FA anymore because everything is reseted back from the start is there a way that I could log in to my account back without the 2FA please help me🥺.

[hosseinimr93]

Hello guys so recently I forgot my phone password and I suddenly reboot it without hesitation and I forgot about my 2FA in freebitco and I can't log in it anymore because it requires a code in my phone and I don't have the 2FA anymore because everything is reseted back from the start is there a way that I could log in to my account back without the 2FA please help me🥺.

In order to remove the 2FA, you must contact TheQuin and prove your ownership.
Can you sign a message from the address you have set in your profile as your withdrawal address or an address you have deposited bitcoin to your account from?

Note that for signing a message from an address, you need its private key. So if your addresses come from an exchange or any custodial service, you don't have any chance.

[Saint-loup]

I don't think you've come anywhere near proving that tygeade is "spread[ing] fakenews and bullshits".

I'm sorry but I disagree with you, saying it's clear that 99% of the time the favorite team will end up with worse odds here, is factually a big fake news and BS. It sounds like some kind of warning to prevent people from betting here, which is not acceptable.

It is still clear to me that 99% of the time favorite team will end up with worse odds here
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I have done this several times and these were the results I got:

That's pretty amazing thanks for sharing and I must congratulate you doubly for saving those screenshots! I wish I'd saved more of my amazing hits (including getting 0000 on freeroll before which to me is 2nd most amazing roll to hit;) ).

I have thought about saving up but in the end I think it's better to have many chances in many lottery rounds, rather than save up for 1 big lottery round and still not win. Anyway, that is another gamble in the end I guess

I hitted 0 once hoped for a bonus  
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I've also reached 0 one time but I've been a little bit disappointed to not get any surprise. I won exactly the same prize as if it has been another random number below 9886. I think it would be more funny to not win anything but to get some jokes on the screen when you hit the 0 lol  

[decodx]

Hello guys so recently I forgot my phone password and I suddenly reboot it without hesitation and I forgot about my 2FA in freebitco and I can't log in it anymore because it requires a code in my phone and I don't have the 2FA anymore because everything is reseted back from the start is there a way that I could log in to my account back without the 2FA please help me🥺.

The first time you set up two-factor authentication (2FA) in your account, you're prompted to save a backup key. This key is used to restore 2FA on a new device if in case you change or lose your phone.

If you have your backup key saved, follow these steps to recover the access:

• Download the Google Authenticator app on your device.
• Open the downloaded app on your phone, find and press "+" sign
• Then enter the backup key to add your account to Google Authenticator.

All done! Now you can sign in to your account again.

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[trilyuner]

Hello, any issue on instant withdrawal?

My Instant Withdrawal is pending more than 8 hours from last night

Thank you

[ratas]

Hello, any issue on instant withdrawal?

My Instant Withdrawal is pending more than 8 hours from last night

Thank you

Dont say in top of the page, check for manual verification, can be until 24 hours?

[trilyuner]

Hello, any issue on instant withdrawal?

My Instant Withdrawal is pending more than 8 hours from last night

Thank you

Dont say in top of the page, check for manual verification, can be until 24 hours?

Yes I saw the 24 hour notice. Just curious because it is said instant withdrawal only takes 15 minutes. I have to pay someone and its almost due date