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[STT]

30  years is a pension term type consideration and very few people start saving in their twenties to benefit from that time-frame.   10 years is feasible for FUN token, I cant see why it would not and to last a decade like that will more then justify the pricing right now and to hold it for benefits etc. is basically a no brainer, of course you should.   The only reason not to is people have no patience to do so, the whole world has a bias to spending right now not saving.   I have a hard time explaining to anyone the difference from capital to income, keep some back because crypto shows it gains irregularly but when it does the gains are well worth it.

[swogerino]

When you think about it in long term, do not think about it just 3 years, think about it in 30 years, does that still look small to you? In crypto I always think about it in 30 year terms, for all of my investments and if it doesn't look good after 30 years in my head, then I stop using it completely.

30 years in the future? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, i can't even tell if a Dollar Or EUR exist in 30 years. And Bitcoin is under 14 years old, so there's no way to see how any crypto is doing even in 10 years. It could be totally whole new game with new kind of "crypto".

You're right, it doesn't really make sense to use time frames of 30 years or more. I don't look at my crypto investments for such a long period. Any investments (like everything else in our lives), can go up or down, same with trading and investing in cryptocurrency, but I don't want to be holding coins for years and years. The more volatile your investment is, the shorter the period of time you are going to want to invest. When I think about long term, I consider other investments, like real estate or gold.

I also don't think of crypto as a thirty year time frame as I know and we all know that Bitcoin all time high lately have happened every 4 times since 2013 and happened in 2013,2017 and the last one happened last year in 2021.This data makes me think that we should expect the next bull run in 2025 and also this emphasizes my thinking that the maximum I see the crypto investments is 5 years as an absolute maximum.

Unfortunately 2025 is far away and we have to be very patient until then and be immune to such happenings as the FTX while keeping a positive attitude until 2025.

[Flexystar]

Unfortunately 2025 is far away and we have to be very patient until then and be immune to such happenings as the FTX while keeping a positive attitude until 2025.

The time frame is really long but FUN as project is evolving in very good sense. They already have applications in the casino sites like Dplay and are having enormous promotions now and then. This helps the FUN to stay in the circulation and good volume. This is enough for FUN to survive through bear and bull markets. FUN will automatically rise in value over the time as result of stake programs, yearly appraisals and more investors along the way. Plus if we are freebitcoin HODLER then that’s an added advantage for all of us. Those benefits need not to be discussed as we enjoying them already.

[Saint-loup]

The time frame is really long but FUN as project is evolving in very good sense. They already have applications in the casino sites like Dplay and are having enormous promotions now and then. This helps the FUN to stay in the circulation and good volume. This is enough for FUN to survive through bear and bull markets. FUN will automatically rise in value over the time as result of stake programs, yearly appraisals and more investors along the way. Plus if we are freebitcoin HODLER then that’s an added advantage for all of us. Those benefits need not to be discussed as we enjoying them already.

Yes moreover, they haven't made an official announcement yet AFAIK but their new decentralized sportsbook with lay betting feature seems to be already open!
It's available there https://xfun.bet and it is just awesome!   Fast, smooth and neat. You need to connect a (xFUN) wallet and your funds are sent and received directly from it without being stored by the bookie and thus without any risks of being locked/stolen.
In addition you can place normal bets (back bets) or offering bets at the odds you decide (lay bets) like on betting exchanges.

[ESG]

  I Hope that my satoshis, my fun and token's FUN,
 and my earns, on freebitco site and the BTC Price will healtly,
 and if i ll dont lost my Keys, and i'll could withdraw them
 when i wll need if i ll live to made use,
 to buy some thing like an iceCream...
 in the next Fifth Years,!!! I wait for this day...
  I Wll be Very Happy if it happen!!!

[Juggy777]

When you think about it in long term, do not think about it just 3 years, think about it in 30 years, does that still look small to you? In crypto I always think about it in 30 year terms, for all of my investments and if it doesn't look good after 30 years in my head, then I stop using it completely.

30 years in the future? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, i can't even tell if a Dollar Or EUR exist in 30 years. And Bitcoin is under 14 years old, so there's no way to see how any crypto is doing even in 10 years. It could be totally whole new game with new kind of "crypto".

You're right, it doesn't really make sense to use time frames of 30 years or more. I don't look at my crypto investments for such a long period. Any investments (like everything else in our lives), can go up or down, same with trading and investing in cryptocurrency, but I don't want to be holding coins for years and years. The more volatile your investment is, the shorter the period of time you are going to want to invest. When I think about long term, I consider other investments, like real estate or gold.

I also don't think of crypto as a thirty year time frame as I know and we all know that Bitcoin all time high lately have happened every 4 times since 2013 and happened in 2013,2017 and the last one happened last year in 2021.This data makes me think that we should expect the next bull run in 2025 and also this emphasizes my thinking that the maximum I see the crypto investments is 5 years as an absolute maximum.

Unfortunately 2025 is far away and we have to be very patient until then and be immune to such happenings as the FTX while keeping a positive attitude until 2025.

@swogerino there’s no way that Freebitco will suffer the same fate as FTX, as both have a different model and Freebitco has made massive improvements over the year’s and in my personal opinion they’ll continue progressing upwards in the long term too. Furthermore they have been transparent with us and have valued this community opinion’s a lot, hence I don’t think that we should doubt their ability to survive and rather back them to reach even greater heights.

[pawanjain]

When you think about it in long term, do not think about it just 3 years, think about it in 30 years, does that still look small to you? In crypto I always think about it in 30 year terms, for all of my investments and if it doesn't look good after 30 years in my head, then I stop using it completely.

30 years in the future? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, i can't even tell if a Dollar Or EUR exist in 30 years. And Bitcoin is under 14 years old, so there's no way to see how any crypto is doing even in 10 years. It could be totally whole new game with new kind of "crypto".

You're right, it doesn't really make sense to use time frames of 30 years or more. I don't look at my crypto investments for such a long period. Any investments (like everything else in our lives), can go up or down, same with trading and investing in cryptocurrency, but I don't want to be holding coins for years and years. The more volatile your investment is, the shorter the period of time you are going to want to invest. When I think about long term, I consider other investments, like real estate or gold.

I also don't think of crypto as a thirty year time frame as I know and we all know that Bitcoin all time high lately have happened every 4 times since 2013 and happened in 2013,2017 and the last one happened last year in 2021.This data makes me think that we should expect the next bull run in 2025 and also this emphasizes my thinking that the maximum I see the crypto investments is 5 years as an absolute maximum.

Unfortunately 2025 is far away and we have to be very patient until then and be immune to such happenings as the FTX while keeping a positive attitude until 2025.

@swogerino there’s no way that Freebitco will suffer the same fate as FTX, as both have a different model and Freebitco has made massive improvements over the year’s and in my personal opinion they’ll continue progressing upwards in the long term too. Furthermore they have been transparent with us and have valued this community opinion’s a lot, hence I don’t think that we should doubt their ability to survive and rather back them to reach even greater heights.

Ofcourse it won't. Freebitco.in has been here since the early days of bitcoin has gained massive trust from the community.
Besides that, not everyone holds a huge amount of money on freebitco.in. Many of them just have an amount for gambling here.
So it's not much of a risk in that perspective. Also, freebitco.in keeps a lot of transparency as @Juggy777  have mentioned.
Freebitco.in is here to stay for long.

[UserU]

I think the fact that so large exchange bankrupt and noone is able to return funds to their customers will have a big impact on any service, as people may a) stop trading/invest in crypto, as it is not regulated and more risky than expected, b) people will stay away of sending/keeping funds on someone's account. At the end freebitco holds our coins but there is no guarantee we will get them back tomorrow if freebitco bankrupt today. So I think there will be much less coins circulating.
And additionally we are not in "dolce vita' times, crisis is everywhere, which again may keep people away from crypto (or even any) investments.

The seasoned players will treat it as another correction while the newer ones will go "OMG BUTCOIN GOING TO ZEEERO TIME TO SELLZZZZZZ"

But one thing for certain, more people will realize the importance of "Not your keys, not your Bitcoin". I myself learned the hard way after Celsius fucked up. Got the Ledger after that.

While FBC has stood the test of time, it's still better to keep a percentage in the dark dingy cold wallet.

[piebeyb]

The time frame is really long but FUN as project is evolving in very good sense. They already have applications in the casino sites like Dplay and are having enormous promotions now and then. This helps the FUN to stay in the circulation and good volume. This is enough for FUN to survive through bear and bull markets. FUN will automatically rise in value over the time as result of stake programs, yearly appraisals and more investors along the way. Plus if we are freebitcoin HODLER then that’s an added advantage for all of us. Those benefits need not to be discussed as we enjoying them already.

Yes moreover, they haven't made an official announcement yet AFAIK but their new decentralized sportsbook with lay betting feature seems to be already open!
It's available there https://xfun.bet and it is just awesome!   Fast, smooth and neat. You need to connect a (xFUN) wallet and your funds are sent and received directly from it without being stored by the bookie and thus without any risks of being locked/stolen.
In addition you can place normal bets (back bets) or offering bets at the odds you decide (lay bets) like on betting exchanges.

I'm happy with any game as long as I don't give any documents or KYC to any gambling site, I just saw about this website is decentralized without having to create an account and just connect wallet and play, but unfortunately there is no support for metamask there, but xfun wallet even though it supports network Matic should be there to connect the metamask wallet

[o48o]

Yes moreover, they haven't made an official announcement yet AFAIK but their new decentralized sportsbook with lay betting feature seems to be already open!
It's available there https://xfun.bet and it is just awesome!   Fast, smooth and neat. You need to connect a (xFUN) wallet and your funds are sent and received directly from it without being stored by the bookie and thus without any risks of being locked/stolen.
In addition you can place normal bets (back bets) or offering bets at the odds you decide (lay bets) like on betting exchanges.

That looks really sleek, however i've been wondering that haven't people followed what regulators are up to? You know, FATF new rules, and problem with unverified source of origin. Maybe i am paranoid but i would be worried to use any fully decentralized services as they are not accountable to regulators. This would mean that my wallets might get flagged because of aml laws if someone would use that site for money laundering. And they probably will as nothing is stopping them.

[swogerino]

When you think about it in long term, do not think about it just 3 years, think about it in 30 years, does that still look small to you? In crypto I always think about it in 30 year terms, for all of my investments and if it doesn't look good after 30 years in my head, then I stop using it completely.

30 years in the future? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, i can't even tell if a Dollar Or EUR exist in 30 years. And Bitcoin is under 14 years old, so there's no way to see how any crypto is doing even in 10 years. It could be totally whole new game with new kind of "crypto".

You're right, it doesn't really make sense to use time frames of 30 years or more. I don't look at my crypto investments for such a long period. Any investments (like everything else in our lives), can go up or down, same with trading and investing in cryptocurrency, but I don't want to be holding coins for years and years. The more volatile your investment is, the shorter the period of time you are going to want to invest. When I think about long term, I consider other investments, like real estate or gold.

I also don't think of crypto as a thirty year time frame as I know and we all know that Bitcoin all time high lately have happened every 4 times since 2013 and happened in 2013,2017 and the last one happened last year in 2021.This data makes me think that we should expect the next bull run in 2025 and also this emphasizes my thinking that the maximum I see the crypto investments is 5 years as an absolute maximum.

Unfortunately 2025 is far away and we have to be very patient until then and be immune to such happenings as the FTX while keeping a positive attitude until 2025.

@swogerino there’s no way that Freebitco will suffer the same fate as FTX, as both have a different model and Freebitco has made massive improvements over the year’s and in my personal opinion they’ll continue progressing upwards in the long term too. Furthermore they have been transparent with us and have valued this community opinion’s a lot, hence I don’t think that we should doubt their ability to survive and rather back them to reach even greater heights.

I know that,I was just saying to everybody to stay calm during FTX events if they will happen while we prepare for the 2025,I know that Freebitco.in as long as they give a Lambo for a draw I think they are in a really good position and as I already said some other times as long as there will be whale gamblers here there is nothing to worry and as of now from the beginning there were and are a lot of them.

Beside that they have many side hustles for everyone of us so I never doubt the power of Freebitco.in,it was just a general advice to stay calm and keep our cryptos in wallets that we have the private keys,that was the meaning.

[Saint-loup]

That looks really sleek, however i've been wondering that haven't people followed what regulators are up to? You know, FATF new rules, and problem with unverified source of origin. Maybe i am paranoid but i would be worried to use any fully decentralized services as they are not accountable to regulators. This would mean that my wallets might get flagged because of aml laws if someone would use that site for money laundering. And they probably will as nothing is stopping them.

Flagged by who precisely? It would be really sad to see one crypto exchange flagging wallets just because they've used a decentralized service while cryptos have been designed for that purpose and I wouldn't want to use anymore an exchange like that. Anyway I don't know if it's so easy to track those transactions on the Polygon network(it would be interesting to test it) but an easy way to circumvent that could be to dedicate a wallet/set of addresses to this purpose and to isolate them from your other transactions. If you need your funds for something else you can use a swapping service to convert them into another crypto from another blockchain/network before sending them to an exchange or a merchant.

[o48o]

Flagged by who precisely?

Flagged by regulators and organizations who track stolen etc.

It would be really sad to see one crypto exchange flagging wallets just because they've used a decentralized service while cryptos have been designed for that purpose and I wouldn't want to use anymore an exchange like that.

Wallets are not going to be flagged just because they use DEX and many DEXes like uniswap are blacklisting some ip addresses, making then not "fully" decentralized and that's why i was talking about "fully decentralized" casinos here. Every exchange dealing with fiat pairs needs to complying with regulators so i guess you won't be using any of them if you want to opt out from this. This isn't really in full effect yet, but things are going to be more. But what comes to purpose of cryptos vs regulators, it needs a whole another thread.

Anyway I don't know if it's so easy to track those transactions on the Polygon network(it would be interesting to test it) but an easy way to circumvent that would be to dedicate a wallet/set of addresses to this purpose and to isolate them from your other transactions. If you need your funds for something else you can use a swapping service to convert them into another crypto from another blockchain/network before sending them to an exchange or a merchant.

Tracking stolen crypto is a growing business and there will be more of those services in the future, easier to access, more efficient and cheaper because competition grows. If you have been following the trend of exchanges getting rid of untraceable coins. You'll see that they are complying with regulators already. Things are just moving slowly.

But i am suggesting that we continue talk about casinos instead of CEX/DEX, as we are in gambling section. Or make a new thread about those in elsewhere.

[Slow death]

When you think about it in long term, do not think about it just 3 years, think about it in 30 years, does that still look small to you? In crypto I always think about it in 30 year terms, for all of my investments and if it doesn't look good after 30 years in my head, then I stop using it completely.

It is not as if we are talking about ALL coins being good after that many years, I can see most gone and never heard of again. But the ones like Fun token, bitcoin and ethereum so forth do look like they will be huge. That’s why I do invest, and I do lock as long as possible, and I get as much as possible and hold it for years in order to make sure that I can benefit the maximum from it eventually.

30 years is a lot of years, how can you be sure you will be alive 30 years from now? I suppose you're 35 now and you're thinking about investing for 30 years, are we saying you're thinking about using your coins when you're 65? you will already be old or dead, but let's assume you will be old at 65, and at that time the altcoin price may even be at zero or cents or not even exist, this is because altcoins are not something that will be able to exist 20 years from now , at least most altcoins will disappear in 20 years, the maximum investment in the cryptocurrency market that people can make in my opinion would be 3 to 5 years but that in the case of bitcoin, it makes no sense to keep doing hodl and not use the profit

I know that,I was just saying to everybody to stay calm during FTX events if they will happen while we prepare for the 2025,I know that Freebitco.in as long as they give a Lambo for a draw I think they are in a really good position and as I already said some other times as long as there will be whale gamblers here there is nothing to worry and as of now from the beginning there were and are a lot of them.

Beside that they have many side hustles for everyone of us so I never doubt the power of Freebitco.in,it was just a general advice to stay calm and keep our cryptos in wallets that we have the private keys,that was the meaning.

It's hard to stay calm about this FTX case because every day there's some bad news, for example Sam Bankman-Fried, Gary Wang, Nishad Singh and Alameda Research CEO Caroline Ellison are under supervision in the Bahamas according to cointelegraph so people have reason to panic and not trusting the sites, this is normal, even I am already very afraid of exchanges, before I was afraid and did not trust exchanges but now my fear has increased

[Strongkored]

I'm happy with any game as long as I don't give any documents or KYC to any gambling site, I just saw about this website is decentralized without having to create an account and just connect wallet and play, but unfortunately there is no support for metamask there, but xfun wallet even though it supports network Matic should be there to connect the metamask wallet

Actually, I hope that this sports betting can be like the other sister casinos of freebitcoin, namely dplay casino which can be connected to a freebitcoin account so that when you want to play you can quickly transfer FUN Tokens without any fees including when you withdraw them back to our freebitcoin account, but apparently it doesn't exist.

It's hard to stay calm about this FTX case because every day there's some bad news, for example Sam Bankman-Fried, Gary Wang, Nishad Singh and Alameda Research CEO Caroline Ellison are under supervision in the Bahamas according to cointelegraph so people have reason to panic and not trusting the sites, this is normal, even I am already very afraid of exchanges, before I was afraid and did not trust exchanges but now my fear has increased

News that can panic the market will continue to appear because every move from the financial authorities and news about the rescue of FTX will always bring a lot of visitors to the crypto media today.

[Saint-loup]

I don't know what you call a regulator precisely but in my country, no authority tracks and flags citizen wallets, it would be illegal. Police can investigate when a crime has been committed thanks to crypto funds but can't say to anyone, this address is dirty we forbid you to receive funds that went through it one day. So I'm not afraid by that personally, but maybe in some authoritarian countries things are different. For the exchanges if I suspect the one I will use to convert my funds into fiat, to make those kind of troubles I will convert my funds into other assets through other exchanges before using it. Anyway I hope only a minority of people will have the same ideas as you and will be afraid by this kind of things, because it would be sad to conclude that decentralized platforms don't deserve to get the same success as less trustworthy ones.

[piebeyb]

I'm happy with any game as long as I don't give any documents or KYC to any gambling site, I just saw about this website is decentralized without having to create an account and just connect wallet and play, but unfortunately there is no support for metamask there, but xfun wallet even though it supports network Matic should be there to connect the metamask wallet

Actually, I hope that this sports betting can be like the other sister casinos of freebitcoin, namely dplay casino which can be connected to a freebitcoin account so that when you want to play you can quickly transfer FUN Tokens without any fees including when you withdraw them back to our freebitcoin account, but apparently it doesn't exist.

thanks for the information, i just found out or maybe i missed it it turns out that dplay can be linked by a freebitcoin account, at least i'm not bored playing reel games from there and can try other games on dplay, talking about xfun.bet decentralization I think it will be different if it is connected to freebitcoin account because it is controlled while decentralized through the wallet no one controls it except smart contracts, I think it will be a different concept

[o48o]

I don't know what you call a regulator precisely but in my country, no authority tracks and flags citizen wallets, it would be illegal. Police can investigate when a crime has been committed thanks to crypto funds but can't say to anyone, this address is dirty we forbid you to receive funds that went through it one day. So I'm not afraid by that personally, but maybe in some authoritarian countries things are different.

Illegal? I am not sure where you live but if that's not some tax haven with loose regulations you might want to google FATF travel rule, so far 39 countries are part of it and AML laws have been only getting tougher every year.

Anyway I hope only a minority of people will have the same ideas as you and will be afraid by this kind of things, because it would be sad to conclude that decentralized platforms don't deserve to get the same success as less trustworthy ones.

AML laws are not my idea, i am just following public announcements on what coming so i can prepare better. And obviously they can't shut down fully decentralized casinos as long as they don't have any element of centralization. But i was merely talking about tracking the funds.
So far casinos seem to have way less regulations as they don't need an exchange license and i haven't yet seen any info on how FATF would deal with money coming trough fully decentralized casinos, but one doesn't need much imagination if you had read about the travel rule that most platforms have prepared for a long time now.

[TheGreatPython]

Do not forget that here there are a lot of whale gamblers which make the website sustainable,without them I don't think the website just by giving free bitcoin and getting nothing in return would have survived that long.

Of course the weekly lottery it offers a good amount of Bitcoin every week but good luck being one of them out of the more than 50 million user base that the website has.

With this I don't want to say anything bad for the site but I think those who say what a crazy idea this is only by thinking,those should think a bit more and see all the contexts that the site has before saying such statement which for me is incorrect.

that's what I thought first where did the money they get to make freebitcoin survive until now of course there are many rich gamblers there so they still survive and exist, usually other free bitcoin sites that develop apps on mobile phones obviously they need players to see ads as the additional income to pay their players is less than the ad revenue, not much is surviving and it seems like only freebitcoin is surviving also more and more new users every day

hope to get lucky to get the weekly lottery even though the chance of winning is very small 

That is mainly because freebitco.in has been one of the most famous crypto websites since the first day. I mean it didn't become this big just recently, they were big and high up in the "all time websites" ranking, look at their alexa ranking for example and they were like that at all times. It’s been maybe nearly 10 years or something like that, I am not sure exactly how much but it's nearly 10 years that much I know. And that means we are talking about a website that has been known for a decade and whales of course come here because of that.

We need to understand that whales like everything like rewards and cashbacks and all that, but "knowing" for sure that you can deposit even 100k bitcoins (1.6 BILLION dollars!) and still won't be scammed by this website is better information than any rewards out there.

[uneng]

Do not forget that here there are a lot of whale gamblers which make the website sustainable,without them I don't think the website just by giving free bitcoin and getting nothing in return would have survived that long.

Of course the weekly lottery it offers a good amount of Bitcoin every week but good luck being one of them out of the more than 50 million user base that the website has.

With this I don't want to say anything bad for the site but I think those who say what a crazy idea this is only by thinking,those should think a bit more and see all the contexts that the site has before saying such statement which for me is incorrect.

that's what I thought first where did the money they get to make freebitcoin survive until now of course there are many rich gamblers there so they still survive and exist, usually other free bitcoin sites that develop apps on mobile phones obviously they need players to see ads as the additional income to pay their players is less than the ad revenue, not much is surviving and it seems like only freebitcoin is surviving also more and more new users every day

hope to get lucky to get the weekly lottery even though the chance of winning is very small 

That is mainly because freebitco.in has been one of the most famous crypto websites since the first day. I mean it didn't become this big just recently, they were big and high up in the "all time websites" ranking, look at their alexa ranking for example and they were like that at all times. It’s been maybe nearly 10 years or something like that, I am not sure exactly how much but it's nearly 10 years that much I know. And that means we are talking about a website that has been known for a decade and whales of course come here because of that.

We need to understand that whales like everything like rewards and cashbacks and all that, but "knowing" for sure that you can deposit even 100k bitcoins (1.6 BILLION dollars!) and still won't be scammed by this website is better information than any rewards out there.

Next year they complete a decade alive. That is a lot of time for a website where you can earn 'free money' every hour, while having access to many other features and advantages. I don't know any other site of this kind which is alive and popular for so long. All the faucets. PTC sites from 2013 are gone or irrelevant, but freebitco.in is still here, paying and adding new concepts to their platform.

Moreover, a big differential from them is the fact KYC isn't enforced. Of course it attracts a lot of gamblers, especially high rollers who don't want to show ID to online casinos.