Croatian local - new child board request - moderator request

[marlboroza]

Child boards are just like sweeping the shit into a different room and more boards = more time mods have to waste moving pointless threads in there.

How many reported posts/topics are unhandled?

Besides, I really think we should prohibit Alt Coin sections in Local boards or at the very least limit them to the larger ones.

Ok, one altcoin board without new child boards, but all altcoin-ico talk should be there, right? Not in main board.

Do we really even need an Alt Coin section in the Croatian board? There's not even that many Croatian users here and that board has never been that active.

No, but if that means that Croatian local will be flooded with altcoin/ico talk then yes. So - yes.

All it is is another place for Bounty Hunters to post their (usually badly) translated Ann threads. See here:

https://i.imgur.com/Ul0ApsO.jpg

Just look inside those threads.

Actually, those are very good translations, although they should be in serbian local...

He just spam bumps them every day to nobody.

And that is reason why main board is flooded with mining altcoin/MEW/ico/bounty/etc threads.

The Croatian board really doesn't need an Alt coin section.

Of course we do, we are small community but growing, I don't think anyone who is new should read in main board "how to find good ico" or something similar and because of that altcoin section is necessary, you said "wasting time for mods to move topics to altcoin board", if you remove altcoin section then moderator will waste time trashing topics.

[1715607956]

1715607956

[1715607956]

1715607956

[1715607956]

1715607956

[1715607956]

1715607956

[1715607956]

1715607956

[1715607956]

1715607956

[ovcijisir]

The most discussion about altcoins are in main part of the forum, because Altcoin board is full of ANN topics...

That is the reason why most of users don't post in Altcoin child board.

If there would be Altcoin ANN board dedicated to announcements, then the ANN topics would go there and Altcoin discussion board would be easy to read.

Then altcoin discussion wouldn't be on main board, but on Altcoin board.

[I.Grozni]

Of course we do, we are small community but growing, I don't think anyone who is new should read in main board "how to find good ico" or something similar and because of that altcoin section is necessary, you said "wasting time for mods to move topics to altcoin board", if you remove altcoin section then moderator will waste time trashing topics.

However, at the local Croatian forum, there are people from the ex Yugoslavia which she had 22 million people very similar languages. Today, at least 22 million of them live around the world. If only a small percentage of these people are involved in the crypto this forum has its purpose. As a growing community, I think we have the right to a local moderator who is a native of Croatian and who knows exactly what is being written on the forum rather than assuming the title of the topic or using a translator. It should not be that much philosophy from other moderators.

[RegulusHr]

I also support this initiative.
We need moderator or at least new child board for announcements (Altcoins) threads separated from Altcoin child board in Croatian subforum.

I think it is important to point out that a large number of people from the area of ex Yugoslawia gravitates to the Croatian subforum, because practically the same language. For those who do not know the difference Between Croatian and Serbian languages is like comparing the differences between American and British English.
It is important that the moderator understands what is written in a post, does not have to be a native speaker of the Croatian language.

[slackovic]

I don't understand why is @hilariousetc against new child board for the ANN posts. New child board will only bring more readability and organisation to the Altcoins section and it literally doesn't cost anything (except few minutes it takes administrator to create it).

[InvoKing]

I don't understand why is @hilariousetc against new child board for the ANN posts. New child board will only bring more readability and organisation to the Altcoins section and it literally doesn't cost anything (except few minutes it takes administrator to create it).

And tons of hours to clean it from useless spammy topics/posts...
I understand how hilarious think but on the other side I am with giving local board their proper subs. I gave a solution, not that perfect, but at least it could nullify potential spam reasons.

[hilariousetc]

I don't understand why is @hilariousetc against new child board for the ANN posts. New child board will only bring more readability and organisation to the Altcoins section and it literally doesn't cost anything (except few minutes it takes administrator to create it).

I've already said why. Getting rid of that alt section and moving any Ann threads that are posted there into the trash will bring about even more readability. There's little to no demand for alt coins there and it's pretty much just bounty translators spamming away to themselves. It's not needed.

[marlboroza]

Getting rid of that alt section and moving any Ann threads that are posted there into the trash will bring about even more readability.  

Why no one wants to trash ICO announcement topics?
Isn't it because it is allowed to translate topics in local sections, no matter no one reads them?

There's little to no demand for alt coins there [...] It's not needed.

Non of these topics are bitcoin related:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3110407.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2979136.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3039904.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3197072.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3124917.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3270787.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3014163.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3196935.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3229278.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3259453.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3119547.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3211435.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3248641.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3109239.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3013800.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3052292.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3256675.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3267987.0

Still, they are all in main board. Isn't main board - bitcoin local board? If it's not, and if it is "all-talk" local then fine, I will lock this topic and I will never ask anything again.
Honestly, I don't see how electroneum fits in main board. Or MEW.

And tons of hours to clean it from useless spammy topics/posts...

That is not true.

[Trofo]

I've already said why. Getting rid of that alt section and moving any Ann threads that are posted there into the trash will bring about even more readability. There's little to no demand for alt coins there and it's pretty much just bounty translators spamming away to themselves. It's not needed.

I partially agree with above. All that ANN threads are mostly useless. But while translated ANNs are allowed on the forum we can't simply ask the people to not post them. People are getting paid for that. I am not advocating for myself here. I have also done some translations but wouldn't have a problem to stop doing if that would help the comunity.

Child board for Announcements would make Croatian part of the forum much more readable. The problem is that ANN threads make altcoins section unreadable and then people post altcoins content in the main Bitcoin section.

If we get a new ANN child board I believe we can clean most of the stuff by ourselves. We can make a topic asking people to move their threads to appropriate sections and after let's say two weeks we can make a community effort to warn via PM the topic creators which haven't complied.  After about 1 month time I believe we would have mostly taken care of everything and we could simply report few remaining topics to be removed. That way we could significantly reduce time for moderator actions. Even without that last part I believe that all remaining wrongly posted topics would be on later pages which is something I can live with

[iluvbitcoins]

@hilariousetc Along with the ANN section we could get a moderator too. Who would most probably deal with all the missed sections and spam.

[denis-z12]

I've already said why. Getting rid of that alt section and moving any Ann threads that are posted there into the trash will bring about even more readability. There's little to no demand for alt coins there and it's pretty much just bounty translators spamming away to themselves. It's not needed.

I partially agree with above. All that ANN threads are mostly useless. But while translated ANNs are allowed on the forum we can't simply ask the people to not post them. People are getting paid for that. I am not advocating for myself here. I have also done some translations but wouldn't have a problem to stop doing if that would help the comunity.

Child board for Announcements would make Croatian part of the forum much more readable. The problem is that ANN threads make altcoins section unreadable and then people post altcoins content in the main Bitcoin section.

If we get a new ANN child board I believe we can clean most of the stuff by ourselves. We can make a topic asking people to move their threads to appropriate sections and after let's say two weeks we can make a community effort to warn via PM the topic creators which haven't complied.  After about 1 month time I believe we would have mostly taken care of everything and we could simply report few remaining topics to be removed. That way we could significantly reduce time for moderator actions. Even without that last part I believe that all remaining wrongly posted topics would be on later pages which is something I can live with

I totally agree with you. Deleting the topics is unfair to the OPs who put hours of work into the translations. Just like you I do translations as well and the translations on the Croatian local board are of good quality and NOT bad google translations.
If they are in the wrong section just tell us where to move them and consider it done. We will move them ourselves together with our Moderator.

Thanks  

[hilariousetc]

@hilariousetc Along with the ANN section we could get a moderator too. Who would most probably deal with all the missed sections and spam.

Or just get rid of that alt coin board and then you probably don't even need a mod.

I've already said why. Getting rid of that alt section and moving any Ann threads that are posted there into the trash will bring about even more readability. There's little to no demand for alt coins there and it's pretty much just bounty translators spamming away to themselves. It's not needed.

I partially agree with above. All that ANN threads are mostly useless. But while translated ANNs are allowed on the forum we can't simply ask the people to not post them.

They're only allowed if there's a dedicated board for them. Get rid of that board and then they're not allowed. When the only people posting them are bounty hunters it's even more pointless and shows there's little to no demand for them.

[denis-z12]

@hilariousetc Along with the ANN section we could get a moderator too. Who would most probably deal with all the missed sections and spam.

Or just get rid of that alt coin board and then you probably don't even need a mod.

I've already said why. Getting rid of that alt section and moving any Ann threads that are posted there into the trash will bring about even more readability. There's little to no demand for alt coins there and it's pretty much just bounty translators spamming away to themselves. It's not needed.

I partially agree with above. All that ANN threads are mostly useless. But while translated ANNs are allowed on the forum we can't simply ask the people to not post them.

They're only allowed if there's a dedicated board for them. Get rid of that board and then they're not allowed. When the only people posting them are bounty hunters it's even more pointless and shows there's little to no demand for them.

Let me just begin by saying I am not trying to pick a fight with you but I just want to talk about this and try to change your mind.
Taking part in bounties is a normal thing and a legit way of earning crypto currency. You have an avatar and a personal text that promotes BountyHive, so I assume you are also a bounty hunter, am I correct? So am I. I am also a translator which gives me an opportunity to take part in translation bounties - which I do. But I am not here to only take part in bounties.
But just because our local forum doesnt have a dedicated section to post these translated bounties you suggest that it is fair that our threads get deleted and in that way preventing a big language community (Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro - all speaking the same language) from taking part in them?
Why is it fair to delete and prevent our local forum from participating and not do the same to the Spanish, French, German community etc.

Shouldnt we have the same rights as the others?

[hilariousetc]

You have an avatar and a personal text that promotes BountyHive, so I assume you are also a bounty hunter, am I correct?

No.

I am also a translator which gives me an opportunity to take part in translation bounties - which I do. But I am not here to only take part in bounties.
But just because our local forum doesnt have a dedicated section to post these translated bounties you suggest that it is fair that our threads get deleted and in that way preventing a big language community (Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro - all speaking the same language) from taking part in them?

Pretty much nobody seems to be taking part in them other than you and this is where you're obviously incredibly biased. We don't need an entire sub board just so you have somewhere to earn a little bit of extra cash.

Why is it fair to delete and prevent our local forum from participating and not do the same to the Spanish, French, German community etc.

Shouldnt we have the same rights as the others?

No. Those boards are bigger and far more active, though I wouldn't be against getting rid of all the local alt coin boards or especially ones that nobody else is posting in. This is a bitcoin forum after all and the main Alt coin board is enough in most cases. We don't need them for every local board especially when hardly anybody is posting in them apart from people who are only doing so to earn money.

[loughlin]

Croatian altcoin child board is full of ICO announcement threads, it is hard to read or follow anything there and because of that conversations about altcoins moved to local board, which IMHO should be about bitcoin and everything related to bitcoin.

As we don't have moderator, can we at least get new child board for ICO/bounty threads separated from altcoin child board?

Can someone clean board?

Can we get moderator?

edited.

You need to check Serbian topic. there is general confusion. We also trying to get local board, but It's very hard approval.
ANN ICO translation brings most of the mess

[ovcijisir]

You have an avatar and a personal text that promotes BountyHive, so I assume you are also a bounty hunter, am I correct?

No.

I am also a translator which gives me an opportunity to take part in translation bounties - which I do. But I am not here to only take part in bounties.
But just because our local forum doesnt have a dedicated section to post these translated bounties you suggest that it is fair that our threads get deleted and in that way preventing a big language community (Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro - all speaking the same language) from taking part in them?

Pretty much nobody seems to be taking part in them other than you and this is where you're obviously incredibly biased. We don't need an entire sub board just so you have somewhere to earn a little bit of extra cash.

Why is it fair to delete and prevent our local forum from participating and not do the same to the Spanish, French, German community etc.

Shouldnt we have the same rights as the others?

No. Those boards are bigger and far more active, though I wouldn't be against getting rid of all the local alt coin boards or especially ones that nobody else is posting in. This is a bitcoin forum after all and the main Alt coin board is enough in most cases. We don't need them for every local board especially when hardly anybody is posting in them apart from people who are only doing so to earn money.

I would just add that in Croatia there is a lot of people in Croatia who don't speak english very well so there is definately need for ANN board on Croatian language.

It is true that some of ANN threads don't have a lot of replies, but they have a lot of views.
The main goal of these threads is to inform people and they serve this purpose well.
The only thing that we want is special ANN board.


The trouble is that ANN and altcoin threads are mixed and that hinders readability.

We just want them separated to make our local forum more pleasant and easier to use.

[denis-z12]

You have an avatar and a personal text that promotes BountyHive, so I assume you are also a bounty hunter, am I correct?

No.

I am also a translator which gives me an opportunity to take part in translation bounties - which I do. But I am not here to only take part in bounties.
But just because our local forum doesnt have a dedicated section to post these translated bounties you suggest that it is fair that our threads get deleted and in that way preventing a big language community (Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro - all speaking the same language) from taking part in them?

Pretty much nobody seems to be taking part in them other than you and this is where you're obviously incredibly biased. We don't need an entire sub board just so you have somewhere to earn a little bit of extra cash.

Why is it fair to delete and prevent our local forum from participating and not do the same to the Spanish, French, German community etc.

Shouldnt we have the same rights as the others?

No. Those boards are bigger and far more active, though I wouldn't be against getting rid of all the local alt coin boards or especially ones that nobody else is posting in. This is a bitcoin forum after all and the main Alt coin board is enough in most cases. We don't need them for every local board especially when hardly anybody is posting in them apart from people who are only doing so to earn money.

I am one of those who take part in the bounties you are right but there are quite a few people there besides me who have been part of many in the past and have much more experience and many more active threads then I have. But even If I wasnt I would still not support the idea of deleting them just because I dont like them.
Imagine that you are a content creator making youtube videos for a living or as a hobby and you have plenty of these videos on a forum. One day someone says "I am sick and tired seeing all these videos and promotions, I suggest we delete all of them". 

The local groups I mentioned are bigger I agree. Our community is not that big but it is still growing. Certainly there are people who are only watching, reading even if they are not actively participating in the topics because some of them have a lot of views. One day they might register and participate. People are slowly getting used to the technology, they are mining, exchanging ideas on local forums outside of BTT so there is interest and its constantly growing. 

[marlboroza]

@hilariousetc Along with the ANN section we could get a moderator too. Who would most probably deal with all the missed sections and spam.

Or just get rid of that alt coin board and then you probably don't even need a mod.

Rickbig41 has moved few altcoin topics from main board to altcoin board, which means they shouldn't be in main board, if you remove altcoin board then someone will have to move these topics to trash, and who will do it if not moderator?

I am curious why "croatian crypto", "POS and masternode coins" and "what are airdrops" have been moved to altcoin board, while "lilecoin", "how to buy and sell ERC-20 tokens using bankor network", "switch to Monero for better profit" and other altcoin topics which are springing up like mushrooms after the rain are not moved to altcoin board?

I wouldn't call this "altcoin section is not needed because you are small" nor I would say moderator is not needed because both are needed.

[cryptofrka]

There is not a place in the world left without politics. Incredible.

[tooday]

Croatian altcoin child board is full of ICO announcement threads, it is hard to read or follow anything there and because of that conversations about altcoins moved to local board, which IMHO should be about bitcoin and everything related to bitcoin.

As we don't have moderator, can we at least get new child board for ICO/bounty threads separated from altcoin child board?

Can someone clean board?

Can we get moderator?

edited.

Finally!!! I hope bitcointalk officials will hear this call because is more than needed. Thank you marlboroza