T13hydra - Thread Locked, Unofficial Disscusion

[Lucko]

An interesting question is how much will even be able to be recovered at this point.

Anyway, since I don't have an idea of the numbers I'll phone a solicitor anyway and ask about their opinion on the best way to proceed and post his reply.

Good point from facebook I would say he is spending...

[southerngentuk]

For those with a loss, you can watch what Steve is doing with you hard earned coin here on Eligius

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/17V3MKZgDJ9UyjBAci5weZraoWKN1YM5ph

[bigtimespaghetti]

Right guys, I had a word with a nice fellow over at http://www.millerrosenfalck.co.uk/

They have links over in Romania, so that's helpful.

Before we proceed contacting them again we need a list of all the orders that have been made and their status.

Some correspondence is good too, but one step at a time. The correspondence needs to illustrate the point of what has happened, what's been done and where we are now pretty much.

We also need to specify how we are being represented, this I'm not as clear on it seemed to me the options were an individual can represent us all or we create a business entity with us all associated with it.
Either way this will mean revealing the names and addresses of each interested party. While for me this is not a problem, I only mention it as it may be for others.

The cost may prohibitionary, since I've only got a few BTC at stake, I know there are others. The lawyer told me that if we are not retrieving more than £20k then it might not be worth it.

My guess is that the cost for legal services may range from a few thousand pounds up and above 10k or so- this is not set in stone and in terms of getting all our info centralised and organised its good to do it even if we only make limited use of the legal options in Romania.

I'd love to sit all weekend and compile it, but that isn't an option for me right now, I'm busy with wedding stuff. I am happy to act as the contact for the solicitors for now as I understand this will be a slow process.

[bigtimespaghetti]

Maybe we can start by posting the orders we have made along with transactions and their status, then one of us can compile it in a read friendly format for when/if we forward it onto lawyers. How does that sound?

[bigtimespaghetti]

One final thought before I actually get back on with some work. It occurred to me that there may be limited action we can take along legal courses- while I am fully advocating them it may be worth considering employing a private debt collector, though I have no idea of the first thing to do in organising something like that.

[OracionSeis]

I have sent 9.28BTC to steve Chips(5.18)+Boards(3.4)+Shipping(0.7).

He refunded me Chips and shipping but he promised us he will do his best for boards but it appears to be he is not doing anything but traveling along the Munchen:) I am following this thread @bigtimespaghetti

[bigtimespaghetti]

If the group is comfortable with this, may I put forward that I setup an email specifically for this issue and then people can forward their orders ect.. directly there?

I am happy to compile this, but I probably won't get round to it until next week at the earliest. I'll probably just put together a spreadsheet and a PDF of the order paperwork.

I don't mind putting some hours in, as the organisation of our evidence is really pretty straight forward as I see it.

[bigtimespaghetti]

I have sent 9.28BTC to steve Chips(5.18)+Boards(3.4)+Shipping(0.7).

He refunded me Chips and shipping but he promised us he will do his best for boards but it appears to be he is not doing anything but traveling along the Munchen:) I am following this thread @bigtimespaghetti

I've wanted to believe that Steve has got our best interests at heart, but the lack of response from him leads me to believe otherwise at this point sadly.

[OracionSeis]

I have sent 9.28BTC to steve Chips(5.18)+Boards(3.4)+Shipping(0.7).

He refunded me Chips and shipping but he promised us he will do his best for boards but it appears to be he is not doing anything but traveling along the Munchen:) I am following this thread @bigtimespaghetti

I've wanted to believe that Steve has got our best interests at heart, but the lack of response from him leads me to believe otherwise at this point sadly.

or he refunded the chips to shut our mouths up and spent the boards money ? I am thinking every possibility

[bigtimespaghetti]

I have sent 9.28BTC to steve Chips(5.18)+Boards(3.4)+Shipping(0.7).

He refunded me Chips and shipping but he promised us he will do his best for boards but it appears to be he is not doing anything but traveling along the Munchen:) I am following this thread @bigtimespaghetti

I've wanted to believe that Steve has got our best interests at heart, but the lack of response from him leads me to believe otherwise at this point sadly.

or he refunded the chips to shut our mouths up and spent the boards money ? I am thinking every possibility

Who knows? My personal opinion is that he is making good with the people that actually live in his town and invested with him, maybe those remaining will get something. Easy to ignore people spread all over the world. I'm glad I got my chip refund, but it's not fair that so many are left hanging.

The lack of communication is unnaceptable and he has been given every chance to fess up about how badly things have turned out.

[OracionSeis]

I have sent 9.28BTC to steve Chips(5.18)+Boards(3.4)+Shipping(0.7).

He refunded me Chips and shipping but he promised us he will do his best for boards but it appears to be he is not doing anything but traveling along the Munchen:) I am following this thread @bigtimespaghetti

I've wanted to believe that Steve has got our best interests at heart, but the lack of response from him leads me to believe otherwise at this point sadly.

or he refunded the chips to shut our mouths up and spent the boards money ? I am thinking every possibility

Who knows? My personal opinion is that he is making good with the people that actually live in his town and invested with him, maybe those remaining will get something. Easy to ignore people spread all over the world. I'm glad I got my chip refund, but it's not fair that so many are left hanging.

The lack of communication is unnaceptable and he has been given every chance to fess up about how badly things have turned out.

I got my chips refunded too but what about boards?

[bigtimespaghetti]

I have sent 9.28BTC to steve Chips(5.18)+Boards(3.4)+Shipping(0.7).

He refunded me Chips and shipping but he promised us he will do his best for boards but it appears to be he is not doing anything but traveling along the Munchen:) I am following this thread @bigtimespaghetti

I've wanted to believe that Steve has got our best interests at heart, but the lack of response from him leads me to believe otherwise at this point sadly.

or he refunded the chips to shut our mouths up and spent the boards money ? I am thinking every possibility

Who knows? My personal opinion is that he is making good with the people that actually live in his town and invested with him, maybe those remaining will get something. Easy to ignore people spread all over the world. I'm glad I got my chip refund, but it's not fair that so many are left hanging.

The lack of communication is unnaceptable and he has been given every chance to fess up about how badly things have turned out.

I got my chips refunded too but what about boards?

Yeah, same here, we should get something back, not to mention the others still waiting. I just popped on to check the thread. If there is not enough activity or interest in following it up I will setup a mailing list and at the very least we can file charges for breach of contract and/or fraud. If there are only a few of us, it should only be a few evenings work to sort out the paper work and send it  off.

A European payment order is cheap and should be enough to put some pressure on Steve.

[klondike_bar]

I only ordered 1 K16, but at >2BTC i want a refund of the chips and board. I understand some sunk costs but I expect at least 1.25BTC back at the minimum

perhaps the google doc would be a good starting place - there are a lot of invested parties here who want thier money back and if >10BTc can be returned i think its worth it (lawyers fees will probably be between 2-10BTC in fiat depending how the law system works in that country and whether the argument is viewed as 'simple' or 'complex' from a legal POV

[bigtimespaghetti]

Good call, I'll get on making a googledoc at some point today.

[bigtimespaghetti]

Okay here is one that I put together quickly. It's only got space for 20 at the moment, but I expect that will be enough.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au69mccTiKbldFdJRm9WS2RzVGliMG5JbnJMZUhyTWc&usp=sharing

If the googledoc gets defaced by trolls, I'll lock it and enter the information manually through private messages.

I'm leaving it open for anyone to edit for now in the interest of saving time.

I'll also lock the google doc after a week so we have a hard copy to go forward with.

[OracionSeis]

Okay here is one that I put together quickly. It's only got space for 20 at the moment, but I expect that will be enough.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au69mccTiKbldFdJRm9WS2RzVGliMG5JbnJMZUhyTWc&usp=sharing

If the googledoc gets defaced by trolls, I'll lock it and enter the information manually through private messages.

I'm leaving it open for anyone to edit for now in the interest of saving time.

I'll also lock the google doc after a week so we have a hard copy to go forward with.

Thanks i have filled, i hope it worths it ^^

[bigtimespaghetti]

Okay here is one that I put together quickly. It's only got space for 20 at the moment, but I expect that will be enough.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au69mccTiKbldFdJRm9WS2RzVGliMG5JbnJMZUhyTWc&usp=sharing

If the googledoc gets defaced by trolls, I'll lock it and enter the information manually through private messages.

I'm leaving it open for anyone to edit for now in the interest of saving time.

I'll also lock the google doc after a week so we have a hard copy to go forward with.

Thanks i have filled, i hope it worths it ^^

No problem, looking like we'll have a fair few participants. I hope we do as it will potentially make legal recourse a more viable option.

[bigtimespaghetti]

Also I've looked briefly into private debt collection as this may be another option. Looks pretty simple, but I'm not totally clued up on the processes yet or which would be the best for us in this situation.

[FFMG]

Hey,

Count me in, I don't seem to be able to edit it, but here are my details.
Basically 48 chips, ฿3.952 still owed, (was not refunded anything).

FFMG   48   0   0      ฿3.952   0   ฿3.952

Let me know how I can help

FFMG

[bigtimespaghetti]

Hey,

Count me in, I don't seem to be able to edit it, but here are my details.
Basically 48 chips, ฿3.952 still owed, (was not refunded anything).

FFMG   48   0   0      ฿3.952   0   ฿3.952

Let me know how I can help

FFMG

Your entry looks like it saved FFMG.

Thanks for the offer too- as far as I can see it should be pretty straightforward once we have all the information.

I'll be interested to read what the law firm has to say concerning our case. It's looking to add up to a decent sum of money.