Avalon is shipping 55 nm process chips?

[shmadz]

I thought this thread would already be here when I got home, but I'm curious what the down-low is on these chips.

Here's a copy/paste of the email I got a couple hours ago.

Avalon ASIC 55nm Chips
ready to ship immediately without custom woes.

Avalon has once again partnered up with TradeHill to auction off these chips, starting at 24 bitcoins for a 500 reel count, the auction starts immediately and ends on Tuesday Nov, 5th. For those who do not wish to wait can purchase the chips on our site right now for its buy it now price of 30 bitcoins. As per usual, price is due for adjustment at every bitcoin difficulty change.

For more details on the specification and datasheet of the chips please visit
http://avalon-asics.com/product/a3255-55nm-chip-500-count-reel/

people are welcome to request for sample chips before purchasing here
http://avalon-asics.com/my-account/sample-chip-request/
new ticket system integrated with store.

Over the weekend we'll be launching our integrated ticket system for support, no longer would you need to play email tag, trying to match payment and order information across systems, now everything will be at the same place offering comfort and ease of use for both parties.

So I create this thread in hopes of getting answers to some questions that come to mind

Is everyone gonna just stay away to try to get a lower bid starting point like with the last Avalon auction?
Are these chips really compatible with gen 1 design?
Who is planning the obligatory "group buy"? (please say MrTeal   )
Has anyone received sample chips to play with?  --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323175.0   -- thanks form!

I haven't seen much talk about this at all, but I've been trying to slog through that evil KnC thread so I may have missed it.




full disclosure: I actually ordered one of the 60 GH/s units and an extra module for my 3 module batch 2 last friday night and they arrived the following tuesday afternoon, and they work flawlessly and they might just earn their bitcoin back before the end of this year. I realize they may have screwed over many people, but they have never screwed over me (yet)

[joeventura]

Seriously?

Do the math.

500 chips delivers about 600GH for $6000

and then you still have to build a miner out of the chips.

$5000 for a 550GH KNC Jupiter or

$6000 for chips and you have to build it yourself?



Just not good business.

[shmadz]

Seriously?

Do the math.

500 chips delivers about 600GH for $6000

and then you still have to build a miner out of the chips.

$5000 for a 550GH KNC Jupiter or

$6000 for chips and you have to build it yourself?



Just not good business.

I think the auction starts at 24 BTC for 500 chips, which would be roughly $4800 at this time. Last time when the opening auction price was too high, no one bid and 60 GH/s units went for 2.something BTC... pretty good price at the time.

[AM4Bitcoin]

Seriously?

Do the math.

500 chips delivers about 600GH for $6000

and then you still have to build a miner out of the chips.

$5000 for a 550GH KNC Jupiter or

$6000 for chips and you have to build it yourself?



Just not good business.

+ they use over 2 watt per GHs, just not a good deal.

[shmadz]

+ they use over 2 watt per GHs, just not a good deal.

Really? on the site it says:

Typical: 1.5-1.6 GH/s at a standard 0.9V, with 2.05W
Low Power : 1 GH/s a 0.8V with 1.5W

do you have contradicting evidence? or have I just been trolled?

[joeventura]

+ they use over 2 watt per GHs, just not a good deal.

Really? on the site it says:

Typical: 1.5-1.6 GH/s at a standard 0.9V, with 2.05W
Low Power : 1 GH/s a 0.8V with 1.5W

do you have contradicting evidence? or have I just been trolled?

Know what? You are right, go buy them.

[Tehfiend]

+ they use over 2 watt per GHs, just not a good deal.

Really? on the site it says:

Typical: 1.5-1.6 GH/s at a standard 0.9V, with 2.05W
Low Power : 1 GH/s a 0.8V with 1.5W

do you have contradicting evidence? or have I just been trolled?

Know what? You are right, go buy them.

Yes your math was bad but it's still not a good deal with correct math which is 750-800GH/s @ 1000W in a reel for 30BTC...

[AM4Bitcoin]

Jop i made an error 1,3w / Ghs, but still you can order a knc jupiter for less and have a power usage <1w/ Ghs and even they will probably not payoff.

[eroxors]

Also... Yifu cannot be trusted.

[Bogart]

I won't be participating simply because tradehill is not very accessible.  I much prefer bitmit for auctions.  (Am I the only one who sees a big middle finger when looking at the tradehill logo?)

Then there are the other reasons, like BitSyncom's history of screwing customers (trade-ins anyone?), and the availability of cheaper and more efficient mining hardware.

[needbmw]

Are these chips really compatible with gen 1 design?

they are not pin compatible, just see pinouts of both chips.
they have VDD and VSS on different pins.

and yes, Yifu can't be trusted ever.

[Wesly]

Jop i made an error 1,3w / Ghs, but still you can order a knc jupiter for less and have a power usage <1w/ Ghs and even they will probably not payoff.

Actually you are not that far off, this is chip only, even with ultra-efficient VRM and PSU that runs at 90% efficiency, you are looking at 1.6W/GHs power draw just for chips alone at the wall.

What I don't understand is what is the purpose of low power?  It has worse efficiency 1.5W/GH compare to typical 1.3W/GH.  So it is literally low power usage only, but what is the point of using less electricity when you are also generating 13% less income per watt used?  This makes absolutely no sense, but then again this is Yifu, and he has no sense of good or bad and right or wrong, so it shouldn't surprise anybody.

BTW, Avalon is selling the 500 chips reels buy-it now for a low, low price of 30 bitcoins, so they are really seriously about asking for $6000 for something that you still have to spend more time and money putting together yourself and good luck getting Yifu to help if it ended up using twice the power at half the speed and died in 1 week.  There is literally no warranty and that's assuming you will receive the chips in the first place.  I don't see how anybody in their right mind will want to buy these for $6000.  But what's even more insulting is Yifu actually believes people are really that dumb.  Either that or he is just plain delusional.

[BBQKorv]

Unfortunately these +1W/GH chips are next to worthless very soon unless you live in China or some other place with around 0.02$/kWh electricity. And in addition to that there is a "slight" trust issue.. I'll pass.

[Xian01]

Here's hoping this Gen2 shit flops massively for Avalon.

[shep80]

There is no reason for anyone to purchase these chips. They are  inefficient compared to chips that have been available for a while now (bitfury). They are priced way too high for what they are.

I'm not aware of any working board designs for them so it will be months until you are mining.

[edgar]

Typical Greedy Merchant of Typical AliBaba SHITE!

[gill83]

Yifu said these would be Pin Compatible with the gen 1. They are not! So any designs for the gen 1 will NOT work with these. Know this before ordering any.

[glendall]

Also... Yifu cannot be trusted.

Ya after my 4+ months late batch 3 I would not be too eager to order from Avalon again. Some people never even received their products.

[SebastianJu]

Its no use. I now saw marto74's offer for the gen2-boards. They are priced for 16 chips at 129€. That means 32 miners for one reel. Makes around 30 Bitcoins. The reel costs 30 bitcoins too.

Overclocked hashrate of 750GH/s in total. Entering the details in here: http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/ shows that you never will come near to mine back the price for getting these miners. If your lucky you will get 2/3 back. So i stop here.

[RoadStress]

I thought it was obvious that Avalon should crawl back to their first gen chips buyer(s) after the implosion here on the forums. Fool me once, shame on you!