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[suchmoon]

Let's not forget that the 18000 merit is actually 36000 merit once you factor in complete distribution and sMerit generation.

Well, after applying Newton's First Law of Laziness it's going to be like 12000 I think...

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[crypto mania]

I sometimes spend hours trying to find posts to leave merit.  Trying to find intelligent, helpful posts around here isn't the easiest thing to do.  I don't think lack of merit is the issue, at least for me.

I am a member of Bitcointalk from the last day of January which is exactly 3 months so I think this is a good time for the summary which will present a viewpoint of the new member of this forum. I have registered exactly when merit system was introduced so this topic caught my attention. I have read many merit threads and I realised one thing, that I have to write high-quality posts and give my best to achieve a higher rank in a reasonable time frame. From the beginning, I tried to write posts with minimum 100 letters in the text, wrote 30 posts (3 per week), never spammed, etc. I was quoted, people asked me questions, answered questions, tried to be helpful but still, I haven't received even one merit. I have seen in merit topic many times that high-rank members advise to newbies like me not to spam and write quality posts to get merits. My example shows clearly that this is not enough. I invite you to view my profile and evaluate my posts. I will accept criticism with understanding.

[suchmoon]

I am a member of Bitcointalk from the last day of January which is exactly 3 months so I think this is a good time for the summary which will present a viewpoint of the new member of this forum. I have registered exactly when merit system was introduced so this topic caught my attention. I have read many merit threads and I realised one thing, that I have to write high-quality posts and give my best to achieve a higher rank in a reasonable time frame. From the beginning, I tried to write posts with minimum 100 letters in the text, wrote 30 posts (3 per week), never spammed, etc. I was quoted, people asked me questions, answered questions, tried to be helpful but still, I haven't received even one merit. I have seen in merit topic many times that high-rank members advise to newbies like me not to spam and write quality posts to get merits. My example shows clearly that this is not enough. I invite you to view my profile and evaluate my posts. I will accept criticism with understanding.

Most of your posts seem to be in Meta, Off Topic (and some cheesy "Bitcoin Discussion" topics), and Altcoin boards. I think Altcoin boards are quite lacking in merits compared to the amount of posts in them and I don't know if there is a good solution to that. I loathe visiting those boards because most of the content seems to be spammy or scammy. I also don't want to advise you to post in other boards because you should do that only if you have something to contribute, not to hunt for merits.

I merited this post as it seems to be a reasonable observation. Other than that I think you just need to keep reading, learning, don't think about merits and ranks and number of letters, post when you have something new and meaningful to say. There is no magic formula.

[BTCforJoe]

I sometimes spend hours trying to find posts to leave merit.  Trying to find intelligent, helpful posts around here isn't the easiest thing to do.  I don't think lack of merit is the issue, at least for me.

Guess you're right. The common problem here is that the new members can't achieve those requirements. They don't qualify on getting Merit, but as we can also see that some people can do this right but they've been put onto ignore in their past days by some Merit Givers. If only there are some people who are willing to spend their precious time on finding those quality posts and give it to the Merit Sources then the distribution of Merits would be easy.

Like me, I still am not a quality poster but I'll just keep on posting until someone can finally realize that I've been trying my best here. So I think no need for whining, spamming or even creating such a foolish thread. Just enjoy on posting and have it their way of they give you some Merit or not.

Why don’t new members qualify for receiving merit? Your argument is invalid. A lot of my merits have been spent on Members and lower ranks.

For the record, I also merit posts that I feel took a lot of time and effort to create, even if I don’t agree with what is being said. Whatever I find as being contributive overall is usually where I spend my merits.

[YuiAckerman]

I sometimes spend hours trying to find posts to leave merit.  Trying to find intelligent, helpful posts around here isn't the easiest thing to do.  I don't think lack of merit is the issue, at least for me.

I am a member of Bitcointalk from the last day of January which is exactly 3 months so I think this is a good time for the summary which will present a viewpoint of the new member of this forum. I have registered exactly when merit system was introduced so this topic caught my attention. I have read many merit threads and I realised one thing, that I have to write high-quality posts and give my best to achieve a higher rank in a reasonable time frame. From the beginning, I tried to write posts with minimum 100 letters in the text, wrote 30 posts (3 per week), never spammed, etc. I was quoted, people asked me questions, answered questions, tried to be helpful but still, I haven't received even one merit. I have seen in merit topic many times that high-rank members advise to newbies like me not to spam and write quality posts to get merits. My example shows clearly that this is not enough. I invite you to view my profile and evaluate my posts. I will accept criticism with understanding.

In this past week I got some merited post and it was march 22 2018 post " https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3172906.msg32905492#msg32905492" see that post, I don't expect this one of my post was merited, and yeah I am trying to post some constructive post also but when I see many users didn't give some attention about their post. It was sad because if no one can merit them the circulation of merit will be low or going to stuck in one user and also lack of sendable merit is another problem.

And can I ask about the merit thing, what happen if the sendable merit were not use? Some other users are ignoring this system.

[Kim Ji Won]

Hello everyone,

Average registrations per day:    466.93
Average posts per day:    8571.87
Average topics per day:    345.21
Link to source:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats


There are only 80 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 17800 sMerit per 30 day,
here is link:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources


Hence,It is not feasible for 80 people(merit sources) to review such(8571) no. post on a daily basis,
So, this is my humble request to the moderator/administrator of the forum that there is need to increase the no. Of merit sources.

of the 8000 posts 90% of them will be shit, so I think its fine as it is fella.

I am also agree with your opinion,but how can we decide without seeing them.Atleast we have enough resource ,so we can atleast review all of them properly.After that we can decide ,it is good post or not.

80 sources/8000 posts = 100 posts a day.. give it a chance to work before suggesting any changes as a thinly veiled way of asking for merits

I have only received 50 sMerits to distribute from the day one as a merit source. fella now so far I have received 2 sMerits in April. not all sources get equal amounts of sMerit. some humble members like BTCforJoe distributed more than me. merit source is just a name, I'm not really helping. I don't know if I have misused my source merits for not getting more or I'm just not trusted. I don't merit my friends like other sources.

I'm running out of sMerit so that's all I can give for now. I hope you accumulate more merit so that you can help other low ranking members who are having a hard time ranking up but really deserves it instead of those shitposters who only rank up because of merit farming. I always encounter you to most of the threads that I post in so I can say that you're an active member/merit source and given the chance that you can have more sMerit, you will surely help those deserving members.

[redsn0w]

I think we are still in an experimental phase, give to the forum another 3-6 months and probably the merit sources will be increased.

[crypto mania]

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Most of your posts seem to be in Meta, Off Topic (and some cheesy "Bitcoin Discussion" topics), and Altcoin boards. I think Altcoin boards are quite lacking in merits compared to the amount of posts in them and I don't know if there is a good solution to that. I loathe visiting those boards because most of the content seems to be spammy or scammy. I also don't want to advise you to post in other boards because you should do that only if you have something to contribute, not to hunt for merits.

I merited this post as it seems to be a reasonable observation. Other than that I think you just need to keep reading, learning, don't think about merits and ranks and number of letters, post when you have something new and meaningful to say. There is no magic formula.

Thanks for your opinion about my posts. I am visiting Altcoins section when I need info about projects I am already invested in to check the latest news and sometimes discuss with people about latest updates or development. What I don't understand is that people are quoting me very often and engage in discussion with me but nobody awards this posts. If you quote and ask questions then you found my content valuable and worth your reply so why not merit such post?

You are right that I stuck to meta section because from the time I have registered merits are the most discussed topic on the forum and I just fill obligated to follow these topics. I thought that this will be not easy to get 250 merits for Senior member rank but now this seems to be not possible at all when I think about this. Thanks to you I have my first merit and let's hope that I will see a snowball effect. I have to be a dreamer to not lose my faith totally.

I sometimes spend hours trying to find posts to leave merit.  Trying to find intelligent, helpful posts around here isn't the easiest thing to do.  I don't think lack of merit is the issue, at least for me.

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In this past week I got some merited post and it was march 22 2018 post " https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3172906.msg32905492#msg32905492" see that post, I don't expect this one of my post was merited, and yeah I am trying to post some constructive post also but when I see many users didn't give some attention about their post. It was sad because if no one can merit them the circulation of merit will be low or going to stuck in one user and also lack of sendable merit is another problem.

And can I ask about the merit thing, what happen if the sendable merit were not use? Some other users are ignoring this system.

Merit is for sure fighting spam especially all newbies and junior member accounts because we have to post quality answers to even dream to rank up some day. I am not so sure if merit stops higher rank users from spamming because they are comfortable with their high rank like full member and when they join a bounty and there is a time frame to post so many posts nothing can stop them from posting burst answers just to fulfill requirements of bounty campaign. Ranking up doesn't matter in such a situation so much. Burst posting for bounty and quality posting later on with no bounty requirements pressure for ranking up.

[aksen]

I agree with TMAN - don't increase the merits, but reduce the number of posts. After all, this is why the merit system was introduced.

Unfortunately merit system has failed at this part because:

1) Some people are not spamming for signature campaigns. They are increasing post count to reach junior members so that the limits regarding interval between posting and those related to Pms allowed per day could be removed. They still do not care about quality of the posts.

2) Another category is of people who are here to bump their own projects and thread and they drop some shit posts in between to remain safe.

No doubt, we see some good posts because of merit system but number of shit posts has not reduced.

[tbct_mt2]

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Hello Kim Ji Won,

Which user did you want to discuss with?
If the user is diagran, I recommend you to snip all unused contents after clicking quote button, except the contents of diagran you wanted to discuss. Or you can snip all the contents like I did in my thread.
It is simple tip, but will help you to make your thread a little bit user-friendly, and help to protect my fingers (with your old thread, my finger hurted a bit when scrolling my computer mouse up and down to read).

Notes: The thread like yours are very popular, abundant in altcoin boards, but I don't think you should publish sort of annoying threads in Meta section, which is one of the most interesting, serious boards in bitcointalk forum.

[TheUltraElite]

1) Some people are not spamming for signature campaigns. They are increasing post count to reach junior members so that the limits regarding interval between posting and those related to Pms allowed per day could be removed. They still do not care about quality of the posts.

So how does that matter? If they dont make quality posts then are not going to be awarded merits - thus they wont rank up. Having a high activity but zero merits is what is going to render their shitposting farming attempts useless. One of the reasons why merit system is Successful

2) Another category is of people who are here to bump their own projects and thread and they drop some shit posts in between to remain safe

Irrelevant because BUMPs are definitely not meritable. Also new bumps, if done, then previous bumps need to be deleted and there are restrictions about bumping a thread - once per 24hours.
So how does that matter at all to Merit system?

No doubt, we see some good posts because of merit system but number of shit posts has not reduced.

Because of people like you who make comments without having a basic understanding. Your post would be a shit-post and worth getting a demerit (if it existed) if you ask me.

[orions.belt19]

I sometimes spend hours trying to find posts to leave merit.  Trying to find intelligent, helpful posts around here isn't the easiest thing to do.  I don't think lack of merit is the issue, at least for me.

It's not the number of merits. Increasing the number of sMerits won't do a thing if there's no meritorious post to be merited or if the threads are filled with spam posts. What OP may have been trying to say is that the current number of Merit sources may not be able to cover the threads and grant merit to the posts which deserve it since there are numerous posts in a day. If there were more merit sources, then it may be possible to find more posts to be merited among the threads.

[STT]

Dont consider the merit sources alone, also there is a secondary source from those they give merit to.    So its an ongoing economy with only slight inflation in the merit but so long as the forum is gaining more members actually the merit source only needs to stay in line with that population growth in order to be balanced.

Its probably true that if you are around at the time merit came into existence you actually had a much easier time then people who come later after many people have nearly exhausted their supply.   I'll probably apply to be a merit source at some point because I do look out for original interesting or informative comments, especially from the lower ranks.    I might give merit to high rank but probably only if they really make me laugh or something, where as if a very new member distinguishes themselves I would certainly reach across to make sure they get merit.
   I usually only give 1 merit because really it has to be many posts or at least a good poster should be noticed by many people.

[motienvolam]

It doesn't matter to increase merit sources or not if those sources perform well. Saying perform well, by which I mean those sources keep rewarding merits to only deserved threads, not shitty ones. If they keep doing their good Quality Assessment Tasks, only constructive users can rank up, regardless of how many sources existed in the forum.
It doesn't matter with them.

[Sivainvest]

I agree with TMAN - don't increase the merits, but reduce the number of posts. After all, this is why the merit system was introduced.

come on my friend. almost everyone here want crypto society to grow. because without growing society the price of bitcoin will not grow. the only chance to reduce the number of posts is changing bounty program politics on the forum.

[tuanytcc]

almost everyone here want crypto society to grow. because without growing society the price of bitcoin will not grow. the only chance to reduce the number of posts is changing bounty program politics on the forum.

It doesn't mean that the forum should lessen their rules to allow spammers ranking up and spreading their shits around the forum, getting money from campaigns and get out, eventually leaving the forum as a open-landfill.

[TheUltraElite]

I agree with TMAN - don't increase the merits, but reduce the number of posts. After all, this is why the merit system was introduced.

come on my friend. almost everyone here want crypto society to grow. because without growing society the price of bitcoin will not grow. the only chance to reduce the number of posts is changing bounty program politics on the forum.

Crypto society is not another uptopian or cyberpunk society. It is the same as the normal society that you have grown up in. If you mean to say that because of signature campaigns and bounties in this forum - there is an increase in price of crypto then my friend you are grossly mistaken. This would be a good topic of disucussion but this is not the place nor time for that.

Bounty "politics" will not change - and even changing then will bring up a lot of uproar from the shitposter mobs in the forum. So get used to it and stop complaining.

The "bounty hunting" (lol) scumbag merit-hunters dont deserve a single merit on any of their posts. Let them make half-English vomit posts and be a cry-baby if then cant accept and move on.

[easemypain]

I sometimes spend hours trying to find posts to leave merit.  Trying to find intelligent, helpful posts around here isn't the easiest thing to do.  I don't think lack of merit is the issue, at least for me.

of course, looking at what you have in your profile sending the merit is never an issue, is quite a huge task as you said to locate quality post within the Bitcoin forum, the community is quite a large one and is very much scalable.

[TrumpD]

I think you have a valid point from the point of view that 80 people will be tasked to view that number of posts per day. Not considering the fact that they also have other commitments on the forum to attend to. I for myself know that I believe that I have some number very merit worthy posts, since the merit system was implemented, however my merits gained so far was when I directly and deliberately  applied/posted into one of those threads that were awarding merits for quality posts. Other than that, I would still be overlooked.

[TheUltraElite]

of course, looking at what you have in your profile sending the merit is never an issue, is quite a huge task as you said to locate quality post within the Bitcoin forum, the community is quite a large one and is very much scalable.

You must be joking. The number of shitposts in this forum is so huge that merit sources would actually have to be ninjas to actually be able to merit all worthy posts and not overlook any.

I have no idea what you mean by "scale-able" in this context though.

I think you have a valid point from the point of view that 80 people will be tasked to view that number of posts per day. Not considering the fact that they also have other commitments on the forum to attend to. I for myself know that I believe that I have some number very merit worthy posts, since the merit system was implemented, however my merits gained so far was when I directly and deliberately  applied/posted into one of those threads that were awarding merits for quality posts. Other than that, I would still be overlooked.

Merit sources are increasing. There is a method to apply as merit source as well. Also theymos has advised local board posters to apply as merit sources so that people who post in the local threads will also have a chance to earn some merits.

True the distribution of merit sources patrolling is having a lower "exposure" - but only time can tell how it will go.