(PETITION) The act of BUYING/SELLING Bitcointalk.org Accounts (Poll)

[dewdeded]

I know for sure, from many bigger forums, that these flash-based "Double Account Detection"-scripts work very good. (High correct detection rate, only "false-positive", when two legimite users share one acc.)

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[hilariousandco]

Why not installing a good automaticDouble Account Detection, eg. one Flash-Cookie-based? It would detect 95% of these idiots, because they don't know about Flash Cookies.

Having multiple accounts isn't disallowed.

[e521]

I agree with changing the wording. or close this topic and create a completely new one!
I also think you can't stop people from selling accounts but at least the forum admin should take a position

Best thing is never ever trust anybody with irreversible transactions

[hilariousandco]

I also think you can't stop people from selling accounts but at least the forum admin should take a position

He has. The selling of accounts is not disallowed.

[ajax3592]

It has to stop. What we are doing is making it easy for scammers, they get a 6-10 months old account and the one's who deal with them subconsciously get an idea that, "Hey, that's an old chap, must be reliable!"

[malevolent]

It has to stop. What we are doing is making it easy for scammers, they get a 6-10 months old account and the one's who deal with them subconsciously get an idea that, "Hey, that's an old chap, must be reliable!"

"6 month old account" and "reliable" in one sentence?

[hilariousandco]

It has to stop. What we are doing is making it easy for scammers, they get a 6-10 months old account and the one's who deal with them subconsciously get an idea that, "Hey, that's an old chap, must be reliable!"

I think it''s best to look for evidence of reliability by checking out there trades history and recent activity. Just because somebody has been here 6-10 months doesn’t make them reliable. Most decent traders will have plenty of evidence of trades they can link you to, and/or have a rep thread.

[KonstantinosM]

Send me all your bitcoins, I'm reliable!  

By the way, since it is impossible to enforce I just picked neutral.

[hilariousandco]

Send me all your bitcoins, I'm reliable!  

By the way, since it is impossible to enforce I just picked neutral.

It's not impossible to enforce, but to enforce fully it is, but that doesn't mean we should let it happen or remain neutral. It's impossible to enforce fully the sale of child porn and weapons but I don't think that means we should take a neutral stance on it.

[jackjack]

It has to stop. What we are doing is making it easy for scammers, they get a 6-10 months old account and the one's who deal with them subconsciously get an idea that, "Hey, that's an old chap, must be reliable!"

Lol

Actually the ones dealing with them will subconsciously get an idea that "account age doesn't mean anything as accounts can be sold"
Problem solved

[Mike Christ]

Send me all your bitcoins, I'm reliable!  

By the way, since it is impossible to enforce I just picked neutral.

It's not impossible to enforce, but to enforce fully it is, but that doesn't mean we should let it happen or remain neutral. It's impossible to enforce fully the sale of child porn and weapons but I don't think that means we should take a neutral stance on it.

As you can see, the threat that anyone caught selling CP will be punished/ostracized has resulted in CP being sold in secret.  The only way to reveal these secret trades is to put a stop to privacy.  Thoughts?

[hilariousandco]

Send me all your bitcoins, I'm reliable!  

By the way, since it is impossible to enforce I just picked neutral.

It's not impossible to enforce, but to enforce fully it is, but that doesn't mean we should let it happen or remain neutral. It's impossible to enforce fully the sale of child porn and weapons but I don't think that means we should take a neutral stance on it.

As you can see, the threat that anyone caught selling CP will be punished/ostracized has resulted in CP being sold in secret.  The only way to reveal these secret trades is to put a stop to privacy.  Thoughts?

I think people who buy/sell accounts should be ostracised. If somebody PMd me to try flog me CP, I'd report it, and I think we should treat the buying and sale of accounts in the same way. Obviously we can never stop the sale of accounts fully, but at least we can police it as a community and not tolerate it in an attempt to minimise their sale. It'd be a hell of a lot harder to buy and sell accounts if people were prohibited and wern't allowed to do so publicly, and if they did privately it'd be a reportable offence which could lead to a banning or being banned from PMing or whatnot.

[maursader]

I'll be collecting results of this poll in 3 more days.

[themailman]

I'll be collecting results of this poll in 3 more days.

To null the "it can't be enforced with 100% efficiency" argument, consider starting a poll about threads advertising buying and selling of accounts.  It is possible to ban such threads, and ban users starting them.

Arguing that "it is better to allow selling accounts because when done in the open, people will know that it is happening" fails on a couple of levels.

First, most users don't know that this is happening.  The TOS a user signs (not that anyone reads them) don't have a caplock clause "OH, AND BTW, ACCOUNTS ARE BOUGHT AND SOLD HERE, SO AN ESTABLISHED USER IS MOST LIKELY A SOCK ACCOUNT.  Tnx."

Second, most laws are not enforced with total efficiency.  Knowing that some murderers will go unpunished shouldn't be taken as a cue for legalizing murder.

[gmaxwell]

I can just imagine one of the big ASIC sellers , coming here with their hundreds of purchased accounts and down-voting this

You mean up-voting. "Banning" account selling wouldn't stop it— it would only make it more effective because then fewer people would believe its happening.

The best we could probably do is have an "account recovery code"... every account gets a magic code which can't be changed, which can be used to claw back the account at any time. This would make selling accounts slightly less safe because people could claw them back after payment was made.

[SaltySpitoon]

I'll be collecting results of this poll in 3 more days.

To null the "it can't be enforced with 100% efficiency" argument, consider starting a poll about threads advertising buying and selling of accounts.  It is possible to ban such threads, and ban users starting them.

Arguing that "it is better to allow selling accounts because when done in the open, people will know that it is happening" fails on a couple of levels.

First, most users don't know that this is happening.  The TOS a user signs (not that anyone reads them) don't have a caplock clause "OH, AND BTW, ACCOUNTS ARE BOUGHT AND SOLD HERE, SO AN ESTABLISHED USER IS MOST LIKELY A SOCK ACCOUNT.  Tnx."

Second, most laws are not enforced with total efficiency.  Knowing that some murderers will go unpunished shouldn't be taken as a cue for legalizing murder.

Murders can't turn on Tor and 15 proxies in 30 seconds and become completely undetectable. Its openly allowed, because there is a very real possibility that 95+% of it couldn't be stopped. Sure we might catch the occasional moron who posts out in the open, but there would be plenty of people using bitmessage and tormail that could make good money off of bootlegged accounts. As it is now, hopefully people don't see 2 year old accounts as any more trustworthy than new members. If account selling was "banned" then people would start to trust that these old accounts are the original owners, and they should be trusted due to their time commitment. When in reality, they probably just bought the account for $20 on ebay, to pull a scam.

[hilariousandco]

The best we could probably do is have an "account recovery code"... every account gets a magic code which can't be changed, which can be used to claw back the account at any time. This would make selling accounts slightly less safe because people could claw them back after payment was made.

Can't you just do that via forgot password/ secret question and get it sent back to your original email address, or can those things be easily changed as soon as someone gains access to the account?

[yatsey87]

Somebody PMd me offering to buy my account for 0.001BTC lol. That's about £0.40p. I doubt they'd even bother to send you any money first either. Probably just scam you out of your account.

[themailman]

I'll be collecting results of this poll in 3 more days.

To null the "it can't be enforced with 100% efficiency" argument, consider starting a poll about threads advertising buying and selling of accounts.  It is possible to ban such threads, and ban users starting them.

Arguing that "it is better to allow selling accounts because when done in the open, people will know that it is happening" fails on a couple of levels.

First, most users don't know that this is happening.  The TOS a user signs (not that anyone reads them) don't have a caplock clause "OH, AND BTW, ACCOUNTS ARE BOUGHT AND SOLD HERE, SO AN ESTABLISHED USER IS MOST LIKELY A SOCK ACCOUNT.  Tnx."

Second, most laws are not enforced with total efficiency.  Knowing that some murderers will go unpunished shouldn't be taken as a cue for legalizing murder.

Murders can't turn on Tor and 15 proxies in 30 seconds and become completely undetectable. Its openly allowed, because there is a very real possibility that 95+% of it couldn't be stopped. Sure we might catch the occasional moron who posts out in the open, but there would be plenty of people using bitmessage and tormail that could make good money off of bootlegged accounts. As it is now, hopefully people don't see 2 year old accounts as any more trustworthy than new members. If account selling was "banned" then people would start to trust that these old accounts are the original owners, and they should be trusted due to their time commitment. When in reality, they probably just bought the account for $20 on ebay, to pull a scam.

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[jackjack]

Where is part 2, petition?