1 day old account with 10 merits. It is acceptable?

[cryptonad]

Just curious about merit system. I believed of its purpose to eradicate the spammers and shitposters.
But I have noticed some newbies already have 10 merits in just 3 activity and a 1 day old account???!!! Which is the merit required to ranked up to member. And noticed some Jr. Member already have more than 120 activity are having zero merits. Newbies having ranked friends can simply provide them the merits. But how about those don't have?? Those people posting a meaningful posts still have nothing. Here is the sample profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2000093

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[Slava79]

Merits and activity are not related. You do a great single post, you earn 100 merit. Or, you are posting bullshit all the time and you have 0 merit with 1000x activities.

[cryptonad]

Merits and activity are not related. You do a great single post, you earn 100 merit. Or, you are posting bullshit all the time and you have 0 merit with 1000x activities.

I understand but from a single user?

Merit summary for zcroc1
Merit: 10
Sent in the last 120 days
Today at 07:02:08 AM: 5 to lordquanta for Re: Is fall of bitcoin from 16k$ good for bitcoin and alt-crypto?
Received in the last 120 days
April 03, 2018, 02:04:00 PM: 10 from lordquanta for What is the significance of altcoins in economics of crypto world?

[Slava79]

Merits and activity are not related. You do a great single post, you earn 100 merit. Or, you are posting bullshit all the time and you have 0 merit with 1000x activities.

I understand but from a single user?

Merit summary for zcroc1
Merit: 10
Sent in the last 120 days
Today at 07:02:08 AM: 5 to lordquanta for Re: Is fall of bitcoin from 16k$ good for bitcoin and alt-crypto?
Received in the last 120 days
April 03, 2018, 02:04:00 PM: 10 from lordquanta for What is the significance of altcoins in economics of crypto world?
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If you suspect this is a merit abuse, you could post about it in Meta section in the corresponding topic.

[jseverson]

It's acceptable because newbies can participate just as well as any other member.

This certain case could be construed as merit abuse via merit trading though. You can try reporting them here. Make sure you follow the format on the first post. I don't know if this is enough for negative trust though, as theymos seems to prefer giving people the benefit of the doubt.

[mk4]

You could say this is merit abuse as 10 merits for that post might definitely be too high. But how can we actually prove that it's merit abuse? What if the user who gave the merits legitimately wanted to give him 10 merits for his post? You wouldn't want to ban/penalize a possibly innocent user.

[Irenjosh]

Perhaps he/she bought those 10 merit or has a hero or legendary member account and gave himself those 10 merit. Cos I can't see any other way 10 merit would be gotten so easily. This merit system is not fair to new people joining bitcoin like me.

[Slava79]

Perhaps he/she bought those 10 merit or has a hero or legendary member account and gave himself those 10 merit. Cos I can't see any other way 10 merit would be gotten so easily. This merit system is not fair to new people joining bitcoin like me.

It is always going this way with everything related to bitcoin and can be expressed as "you better started earlier..."

[Jet Cash]

I put him on ignore, because he is a merit beggar, so he will never get any merits from me.

I agree that the post isn't worth 10 merits, so maybe we should look into the donor's history, and watch what the merit beggar does with his 5 sMerits.

[suchmoon]

I put him on ignore, because he is a merit beggar, so he will never get any merits from me.

I agree that the post isn't worth 10 merits, so maybe we should look into the donor's history, and watch what the merit beggar does with his 5 sMerits.

The 5 merits have been sent back to the same user:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2000093


Edited 2020-11-29 to fix a broken image

I'm generally staying out of red-tagging merit abuse because it's so subjective, but this is very close to tipping me over.

Edit: Another forth-and-back with a noob:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1995745


Edited 2020-11-29 to fix a broken image

[TMAN]

I put him on ignore, because he is a merit beggar, so he will never get any merits from me.

I agree that the post isn't worth 10 merits, so maybe we should look into the donor's history, and watch what the merit beggar does with his 5 sMerits.

The 5 merits have been sent back to the same user:



I'm generally staying out of red-tagging merit abuse because it's so subjective, but this is very close to tipping me over.

Tag that with a smile on your face, then do a little dance if they moan! people like that deserve it.

[Talk merit]

I'd tag him for being stupid. You've got to be stupid to be as obvious as that.

[Slava79]

I'd tag him for being stupid. You've got to be stupid to be as obvious as that.

Talk Merit is another example - an unacceptable 28 activity and 9 merit already!

[suchmoon]

Tag that with a smile on your face, then do a little dance if they moan! people like that deserve it.

Yeah but then Quicksy will create 15 threads whining how I haven't tagged 3000 other users who did the same thing so out of concern for Quicksy's mental health I'll hold off.

I'm thinking that this merit thingy will sort itself out once the shitposters run out of "free" merits.

Talk Merit is another example - an unacceptable 28 activity and 9 merit already!

True, and not a very successful sockpuppet, hasn't even sent me my half-merit back

[Jet Cash]

Talk Merit is another example - an unacceptable 28 activity and 9 merit already!

I agree - he's got a big mouth. With a name like that, anyone would think he's just here to talk about Merit.

I just hope he doesn't get to be able to display an avatar - heaven knows what that would look like.

[Kim Ji Won]

Just curious about merit system. I believed of its purpose to eradicate the spammers and shitposters.
But I have noticed some newbies already have 10 merits in just 3 activity and a 1 day old account???!!! Which is the merit required to ranked up to member. And noticed some Jr. Member already have more than 120 activity are having zero merits. Newbies having ranked friends can simply provide them the merits. But how about those don't have?? Those people posting a meaningful posts still have nothing. Here is the sample profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2000093

For starters, if you can really find a merit abuse amongst those members then you should definitely report it to the moderator so that they will be banned in this forum but I've made a little research about who merited that user and it seems like zcroc1 applied for a merit review in lordquanta thread and most probably the post of zcroc1 is merit worthy for lordquanta.

[suchmoon]

Just curious about merit system. I believed of its purpose to eradicate the spammers and shitposters.
But I have noticed some newbies already have 10 merits in just 3 activity and a 1 day old account???!!! Which is the merit required to ranked up to member. And noticed some Jr. Member already have more than 120 activity are having zero merits. Newbies having ranked friends can simply provide them the merits. But how about those don't have?? Those people posting a meaningful posts still have nothing. Here is the sample profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2000093

For starters, if you can really find a merit abuse amongst those members then you should definitely report it to the moderator so that they will be banned in this forum but I've made a little research about who merited that user and it seems like zcroc1 applied for a merit review in lordquanta thread and most probably the post of zcroc1 is merit worthy for lordquanta.

Where do you see that zcroc1 applied? I don't see any posts by zcroc1 in that thread.

[IL.Guerreiro]

Actually there is a little bit suspicious from the both of them. I reviewed the account of the sender and I found out
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=925500 here that there an exchanging for smerit is happening.  

[Vod]

I wonder if it is worth adding a field to BPIP that shows the average merit received per day.  Could produce a list sorted to catch questionable actions like this...

[Kim Ji Won]

Just curious about merit system. I believed of its purpose to eradicate the spammers and shitposters.
But I have noticed some newbies already have 10 merits in just 3 activity and a 1 day old account???!!! Which is the merit required to ranked up to member. And noticed some Jr. Member already have more than 120 activity are having zero merits. Newbies having ranked friends can simply provide them the merits. But how about those don't have?? Those people posting a meaningful posts still have nothing. Here is the sample profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2000093

For starters, if you can really find a merit abuse amongst those members then you should definitely report it to the moderator so that they will be banned in this forum but I've made a little research about who merited that user and it seems like zcroc1 applied for a merit review in lordquanta thread and most probably the post of zcroc1 is merit worthy for lordquanta.

Where do you see that zcroc1 applied? I don't see any posts by zcroc1 in that thread.

Sorry, my bad. I did not look at zcroc1's application in that thread first and only assumed that he did because I noticed in the merit summary of lordquanta that he received and sent merits from the same two users and dug deeper in the post they got merited to and found out that it was a post review for a merit. So I took the chance to see zcroc1's post and only assumed that he used that post to get reviewed because IMO, it is merit worthy but too much for that 5 merits.