Asus Ares 4GB Dual Radeon HD 5870 Limited Edition Value?

[Immuzikation]

what's a good deal for one of these?

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[KKAtan]

A few months back, these would be insanely valuable. But with the current difficulty... I'm kind of doubting they are worth the extra cost.

[Mousepotato]

I wouldn't pay more than $450 for one.

[CanaryInTheMine]

price of 5870 * 2 and it would have to be based on a good price of 5870 190ish*2? so $380-$400

another question, where are you gonna find one?

[haploid23]

newegg had ONE open box one, but it looks like someone bought it

[CanaryInTheMine]

how much they sold it for?

[haploid23]

lol like $800 just a few days ago

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121388R

[Jack of Diamonds]

I wouldn't pay more than $450 for one.

It saves a PCI-e slot + OC's better than two normal 5870s or a 5970, it's easily worth at least $600 bucks

But not $800 which it seems to have been sold for

[Axez D. Nyde]

How exactly is the ARES better than the 5970? I believe the 5970 basically is two 5870 chips on one dye?

PS: don't be too harsch if this seems to be a stupid question to you

[Jack of Diamonds]

How exactly is the ARES better than the 5970? I believe the 5970 basically is two 5870 chips on one dye?

PS: don't be too harsch if this seems to be a stupid question to you

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-ares-radeon-hd-5870-crossfire-4gb,2685-2.html

5970 has lower memory clocks + the 5870 cores are underclocked to 5850 clock rates.

Ares is the superior card of the 5xxx lineup because it's two premium 5870 cores (which overclock exceptionally well)
working at their original clock freq's, & they consume less power than two individual 5870's.

It also has robust VRM's which allow for some crazy voltage bumps. You can push this card even further than a 6990.

It's mostly an engineering sample though, there are only a thousand in existence just like the MARS card.
Theoretically the best mining card available, if not for the pricing ($1200 at launch and still goes for about $800-$1k boxed)

[Axez D. Nyde]

Well thanks for pointing that out to me.

It's mostly an engineering sample though, there are only a thousand in existence just like the MARS card.

How coincidental, considering ARES is the greek name for MARS.

[eskamobob1]

these cards are 100% rediculous in every aspect... they still even beat many of the new cards... i built a system fro a guy with 2 of these babies and it still beats every quad 580 and dual 6990 system i have ever seen... just shows why i love ASUS so much :p... they still sell from $800- $1,200 ea... i would say that it is still one of the best cards you can get (even with newer generations out)... however, with the price premium, there are much better options if money actually possess a value to you (like it does to most people :p)... i would't even bother with 5970s for mining unless you can get them from $500 or less as it is cheaper to buy 2 5870s and supporting hardware at that point (witch will actually preform slightly better)

to put in simple terms... if money isnt an issue then get 7 and a good mobo and like 4 PSUs and mine away... if it is, then get some 5870s or 5850s... 6950s are also a viable option

[mike678]

to put in simple terms... if money isnt an issue then get 7 and a good mobo and like 4 PSUs and mine away... if it is, then get some 5870s or 5850s... 6950s are also a viable option

6950's are only halfway decent if you can unlock the shaders otherwise you shouldn't buy a 6950.

[eskamobob1]

to put in simple terms... if money isnt an issue then get 7 and a good mobo and like 4 PSUs and mine away... if it is, then get some 5870s or 5850s... 6950s are also a viable option

6950's are only halfway decent if you can unlock the shaders otherwise you shouldn't buy a 6950.

whats the better option $/Hash other than 58xx series?

[CanaryInTheMine]

to put in simple terms... if money isnt an issue then get 7 and a good mobo and like 4 PSUs and mine away... if it is, then get some 5870s or 5850s... 6950s are also a viable option

6950's are only halfway decent if you can unlock the shaders otherwise you shouldn't buy a 6950.

whats the better option $/Hash other than 58xx series?

the better option is not to mine. buy bitcoins instead.

[mike678]

whats the better option $/Hash other than 58xx series?

Until 7xxx series is out in full force the 6xxx series will be way to expensive for mining.

[CanaryInTheMine]

whats the better option $/Hash other than 58xx series?

Until 7xxx series is out in full force the 6xxx series will be way to expensive for mining.

assuming 7xxx will be cheaper... has there been any pricing info on 7xxx?

[airdata]

do a completed items search on ebay... I believe they have been selling for ~$800ish in good condition.

[CanaryInTheMine]

do a completed items search on ebay... I believe they have been selling for ~$800ish in good condition.

WTF are you talking about? 7xxx are not out yet. or am i living under a rock?

[mike678]

assuming 7xxx will be cheaper... has there been any pricing info on 7xxx?

huh? I'm saying 7xxx will make the 6xxx series less valuable. If I'm correct I hope to see the 6870 for example drop about 10%.

[CanaryInTheMine]

assuming 7xxx will be cheaper... has there been any pricing info on 7xxx?

huh? I'm saying 7xxx will make the 6xxx series less valuable. If I'm correct I hope to see the 6870 for example drop about 10%.

that's the "typical" expectation of a typical product line...  but look at what happened with 5xxx series vs. 6xxx  a bunch of 5xxx are worth more used than what they sold new for.

it really depends on how they price 7xxx  it may not be economical if it costs too much.  but this is all speculation and kinda pointless to talk/guess about it... we'll just have to see what happens when they are out.

[mike678]

that's the "typical" expectation of a typical product line...  but look at what happened with 5xxx series vs. 6xxx  a bunch of 5xxx are worth more used than what they sold new for.

it really depends on how they price 7xxx  it may not be economical if it costs too much.  but this is all speculation and kinda pointless to talk/guess about it... we'll just have to see what happens when they are out.

I'm sure that initially a used 5xxx series card was worth less. I feel like there will be a small window where you'll be able to pick up 6xxx cards for cheap before they go to 5xxx series prices.

[eskamobob1]

do a completed items search on ebay... I believe they have been selling for ~$800ish in good condition.

WTF are you talking about? 7xxx are not out yet. or am i living under a rock?

he is talking about the ares :p

[CanaryInTheMine]

that's the "typical" expectation of a typical product line...  but look at what happened with 5xxx series vs. 6xxx  a bunch of 5xxx are worth more used than what they sold new for.

it really depends on how they price 7xxx  it may not be economical if it costs too much.  but this is all speculation and kinda pointless to talk/guess about it... we'll just have to see what happens when they are out.

I'm sure that initially a used 5xxx series card was worth less. I feel like there will be a small window where you'll be able to pick up 6xxx cards for cheap before they go to 5xxx series prices.

Hope you're right!

[eskamobob1]

that's the "typical" expectation of a typical product line...  but look at what happened with 5xxx series vs. 6xxx  a bunch of 5xxx are worth more used than what they sold new for.

it really depends on how they price 7xxx  it may not be economical if it costs too much.  but this is all speculation and kinda pointless to talk/guess about it... we'll just have to see what happens when they are out.

I'm sure that initially a used 5xxx series card was worth less. I feel like there will be a small window where you'll be able to pick up 6xxx cards for cheap before they go to 5xxx series prices.

Hope you're right!

either that or the sellers are smart and play the market... they sit and drop prices very minimally wile people wait for a large price drop... when it doesn't come people start to accept that fact and simply buy at the inflated prices... once this starts to happen, they drastically drop prices and decrease stock for a few months and then let them naturally skyrocket... since bit mining is based off of pure cores and not how effective they are (as we all know), the 6xxx cards are going to be more effective than the 7xxx cards because new generation go for better efficiency with slightly more raw power on the high end, not brute force all the way through... the 6xxx card will jump to their premium and the 5xxx cards (because of their brute force style) will sell for even more... once this happens, sellers start to release their stock slowly (just like is happening with the 58xx cards right now)... naturally, the sellers make bank wile the buyers suffer, but that shouldn't stop miners from buying the cards (especially as BTC are more readily accepted)... if i had to guess, the price of a 5870 will jump to $300+ if they play the market well enough

this is just my take on the whole thing... any opinions on how this might work out? if you see any flaws in my analysis, please point them out as i like to know when i say something false so i can correct it the next time

[Pipesnake]

I wouldn't pay more than $450 for one.

Then you'll never have one (well at least not until the 7 series comes out).

Ares is rock solid at 1ghz per core.  It's an animal.  Google reviews and you'll notice the reviewers jizzing in their pants over it's OC ability.  Is it financially worth it?

No.  But it is definitely the best you can get...

[haploid23]

either that or the sellers are smart and play the market... they sit and drop prices very minimally wile people wait for a large price drop... when it doesn't come people start to accept that fact and simply buy at the inflated prices... once this starts to happen, they drastically drop prices and decrease stock for a few months and then let them naturally skyrocket... since bit mining is based off of pure cores and not how effective they are (as we all know), the 6xxx cards are going to be more effective than the 7xxx cards because new generation go for better efficiency with slightly more raw power on the high end, not brute force all the way through... the 6xxx card will jump to their premium and the 5xxx cards (because of their brute force style) will sell for even more... once this happens, sellers start to release their stock slowly (just like is happening with the 58xx cards right now)... naturally, the sellers make bank wile the buyers suffer, but that shouldn't stop miners from buying the cards (especially as BTC are more readily accepted)... if i had to guess, the price of a 5870 will jump to $300+ if they play the market well enough

this is just my take on the whole thing... any opinions on how this might work out? if you see any flaws in my analysis, please point them out as i like to know when i say something false so i can correct it the next time

umm this is all speculation right now, and you're most likely going to be wrong on the part that you said 7xxx cards will be more efficient, but less brute power than the 6xxx. the reason you see the 6xxx run faster than 5xxx cards per stream processor in games is because this generation jump does not have an architecture die shrink. both of these generations still run on 40nm die, so in order for a 6xxx card to be "better" than the 5xxx is to have more efficient stream processors, so that's why they can afford to have less of them. of course, this will hurt when they're used only for mining.

however, with the 7xxx cards, it's a complete architecture change, the die will be shrunk based on 28nm tech. with a die shrink, they will be able to fit more stream processors in the same amount of area as the current generations cards, and it will most likely also have some computing and power consumption efficiency improvements. the key here is a die shrink, so it will most likely have more stream processors than 6xxx, not less.

[eskamobob1]

either that or the sellers are smart and play the market... they sit and drop prices very minimally wile people wait for a large price drop... when it doesn't come people start to accept that fact and simply buy at the inflated prices... once this starts to happen, they drastically drop prices and decrease stock for a few months and then let them naturally skyrocket... since bit mining is based off of pure cores and not how effective they are (as we all know), the 6xxx cards are going to be more effective than the 7xxx cards because new generation go for better efficiency with slightly more raw power on the high end, not brute force all the way through... the 6xxx card will jump to their premium and the 5xxx cards (because of their brute force style) will sell for even more... once this happens, sellers start to release their stock slowly (just like is happening with the 58xx cards right now)... naturally, the sellers make bank wile the buyers suffer, but that shouldn't stop miners from buying the cards (especially as BTC are more readily accepted)... if i had to guess, the price of a 5870 will jump to $300+ if they play the market well enough

this is just my take on the whole thing... any opinions on how this might work out? if you see any flaws in my analysis, please point them out as i like to know when i say something false so i can correct it the next time

umm this is all speculation right now, and you're most likely going to be wrong on the part that you said 7xxx cards will be more efficient, but less brute power than the 6xxx. the reason you see the 6xxx run faster than 5xxx cards per stream processor in games is because this generation jump does not have an architecture die shrink. both of these generations still run on 40nm die, so in order for a 6xxx card to be "better" than the 5xxx is to have more efficient stream processors, so that's why they can afford to have less of them. of course, this will hurt when they're used only for mining.

however, with the 7xxx cards, it's a complete architecture change, the die will be shrunk based on 28nm tech. with a die shrink, they will be able to fit more stream processors in the same amount of area as the current generations cards, and it will most likely also have some computing and power consumption efficiency improvements. the key here is a die shrink, so it will most likely have more stream processors than 6xxx, not less.

tbh i just went off of the last few generation jumps... i dont know much about the 7xxx series as of right now... but this makes total sense... guess the second half of what i just said is now wrong :p... i think i may go and try to fix it later, but idk ... thanks for the information though