The future of the signature campaigns

[W2014]

Hello, please how many people are using bitcointalk forum? I have heard that there are registered about 2 million accounts. But probably there are more accounts than real people. I see that there are many junior and newbies accounts, probably they are quite new, so is there any statistics about new members? I think most of them only want to earn here. How many of all members wear signature and are registered in signature campaigns?

I just wondering about the future of this forum, the signature campaigns and the bounties. If everyone will do bounty and signature, then there will be no future, right?

[mdayonliner]

You have asked too many questions 

Hello, please how many people are using bitcointalk forum?

Take 2,009,932 registered accounts, delete 1,103,866 accounts with no sign on for 90 days, no posts and no trust
and that leaves us with 906,066 active accounts. archive

But probably there are more accounts than real people.

- yes of-course. Many people have more than one alt accounts, publicly declared or even non declared who cares.

is there any statistics about new members?

- Sure there will be as it's a database driven site. Question is how to get access.

How many of all members wear signature and are registered in signature campaigns?

- Hard to say. May be the system can tell how many are wearing signature but that does not mean that this will be a correct stats. There are many members including me not wearing a paid signature. I am sure these should not count as bounty hunting.

If everyone will do bounty and signature, then there will be no future, right?

- What makes you think like that? Please us to understand your dimension.

[Jet Cash]

If we can get rid of the bad signature campaigns, and reduce the low quality spamming, then the forum can grow back into the valuable resource it was a few years ago.

[jackg]

There are currently: 1993947 users registered here.
I'd suggest that's probably about 100000-200000 people (as one user probably has an average of 10-20 alts I'd reckon based on what I've witnessed here).

I assume the majority have used their signature for something. At least half will be in some sort of signature/bounty campaign I assume.

There will now be a greater amount of Jr Members and Newbies that are just stuck where they are (if they write bad posts then they won't get any merit and won't be able to go up in rank).

Signature campaigns are quite a good way at keeping good quality posters at the forum, but if campaign managers don't moderate it too well, this is where the massive amount of spam comes from as users get free money for writing useless posts.

There are already fewer signature campaigns for newbie and Jr members, however, bounty campaigns still include them sometimes so that might lead to a larger amount of spam. There are more veteran members who spam but they usually care more about their accounts than a brand new member will as a brand new member can just ditch their account.

[W2014]

You have asked too many questions 

Hello, please how many people are using bitcointalk forum?

Take 2,009,932 registered accounts, delete 1,103,866 accounts with no sign on for 90 days, no posts and no trust
and that leaves us with 906,066 active accounts. archive

But probably there are more accounts than real people.

- yes of-course. Many people have more than one alt accounts, publicly declared or even non declared who cares.

is there any statistics about new members?

- Sure there will be as it's a database driven site. Question is how to get access.

How many of all members wear signature and are registered in signature campaigns?

- Hard to say. May be the system can tell how many are wearing signature but that does not mean that this will be a correct stats. There are many members including me not wearing a paid signature. I am sure these should not count as bounty hunting.

If everyone will do bounty and signature, then there will be no future, right?

- What makes you think like that? Please us to understand your dimension.

Thank you for your reply! I mean that it is nonsense if everyone would do bounties and signatures.. There won´t be investors for these ICOs, because everyone will earn "free" tokens..

[W2014]

There are currently: 1993947 users registered here.
I'd suggest that's probably about 100000-200000 people (as one user probably has an average of 10-20 alts I'd reckon based on what I've witnessed here).

I assume the majority have used their signature for something. At least half will be in some sort of signature/bounty campaign I assume.

There will now be a greater amount of Jr Members and Newbies that are just stuck where they are (if they write bad posts then they won't get any merit and won't be able to go up in rank).

Signature campaigns are quite a good way at keeping good quality posters at the forum, but if campaign managers don't moderate it too well, this is where the massive amount of spam comes from as users get free money for writing useless posts.

There are already fewer signature campaigns for newbie and Jr members, however, bounty campaigns still include them sometimes so that might lead to a larger amount of spam. There are more veteran members who spam but they usually care more about their accounts than a brand new member will as a brand new member can just ditch their account.

Wow, it is real that every person has an average of 10 accounts? It is not against the rules? They are using their multi accounts only for signature campaigns right?

[jao18]

I think some signiture campagin and bounties is a scam and spam theres a lot of thing need to learn about it

And another question please... how we can deal with it if a signiture campagin is a scam?

[jackg]

There are currently: 1993947 users registered here.
I'd suggest that's probably about 100000-200000 people (as one user probably has an average of 10-20 alts I'd reckon based on what I've witnessed here).

I assume the majority have used their signature for something. At least half will be in some sort of signature/bounty campaign I assume.

There will now be a greater amount of Jr Members and Newbies that are just stuck where they are (if they write bad posts then they won't get any merit and won't be able to go up in rank).

Signature campaigns are quite a good way at keeping good quality posters at the forum, but if campaign managers don't moderate it too well, this is where the massive amount of spam comes from as users get free money for writing useless posts.

There are already fewer signature campaigns for newbie and Jr members, however, bounty campaigns still include them sometimes so that might lead to a larger amount of spam. There are more veteran members who spam but they usually care more about their accounts than a brand new member will as a brand new member can just ditch their account.

Wow, it is real that every person has an average of 10 accounts? It is not against the rules? They are using their multi accounts only for signature campaigns right?

I assume that's going to be what the figure is approximately.
And not all alts are used for signature campaigns. Some will use them for other things (in historical cases here, users like QuickSeller have been known to self-escrow with several alt accounts).

There are people who will also build up accounts to sell them. Some account farmers in poorer countries may have 100+ accounts that they keep farming and do it as a job to get them all to a higher level (or they would have done until these limits of merit came into force).

There are also bounty campaigns that people might participate in where they could produce 1000 accounts just to post on that one bounty thread and get the earnings from it.

I've noticed in the marketplace, for example, people are buyind bulk facebook accounts from other peope or buying "Friends"/"Followers" that look as if they're legitimate (with a real name and some other info filled).

And there are no rules agaisnt owning multiple accounts. No rules agaisnt selling them either...

[motienvolam]

I think some signiture campagin and bounties is a scam and spam theres a lot of thing need to learn about it

And another question please... how we can deal with it if a signiture campagin is a scam?

You made me laugh a lot. Only those things can help you
Learn more knowledge, spend more time in the forum to read useful topics (not shitty ones, please); experience more by reading information about more signature campaigns, joined more of them.
And scam signature campaigns come from scam projects. Be prepared enough to realoze scam projects.

[TheUltraElite]

Thank you for your reply! I mean that it is nonsense if everyone would do bounties and signatures.. There won´t be investors for these ICOs, because everyone will earn "free" tokens..

You are coming to wrong conclusions. Some shitposters do come to this forum from their bottomfeeder communities simply to spam the forum for bounties and shittoken airdrops with their half-english carved shitposts and vomitposts. They contribute to the scum of this forum. Compare this to the real life scenario of the society.

Again there are investors among us as well. Many people have been trading and investing into ICOs as well. Maybe they are part of some campaign maybe not. So dont jump into conclusions.

I think some signiture campagin and bounties is a scam and spam theres a lot of thing need to learn about it

And another question please... how we can deal with it if a signiture campagin is a scam?

Scam in the sense? Signature campaigns are a privilege and not a right. Get used to them not paying out specially if it not escrowed payment. A scam project on the other hand is something different.

[W2014]

I think some signiture campagin and bounties is a scam and spam theres a lot of thing need to learn about it

And another question please... how we can deal with it if a signiture campagin is a scam?

You can do nothing, they have in the rules, that they don´t have to pay bounty hunters for their work if they don´t reach soft cap and so on..

[W2014]

There are currently: 1993947 users registered here.
I'd suggest that's probably about 100000-200000 people (as one user probably has an average of 10-20 alts I'd reckon based on what I've witnessed here).

I assume the majority have used their signature for something. At least half will be in some sort of signature/bounty campaign I assume.

There will now be a greater amount of Jr Members and Newbies that are just stuck where they are (if they write bad posts then they won't get any merit and won't be able to go up in rank).

Signature campaigns are quite a good way at keeping good quality posters at the forum, but if campaign managers don't moderate it too well, this is where the massive amount of spam comes from as users get free money for writing useless posts.

There are already fewer signature campaigns for newbie and Jr members, however, bounty campaigns still include them sometimes so that might lead to a larger amount of spam. There are more veteran members who spam but they usually care more about their accounts than a brand new member will as a brand new member can just ditch their account.

Wow, it is real that every person has an average of 10 accounts? It is not against the rules? They are using their multi accounts only for signature campaigns right?

I assume that's going to be what the figure is approximately.
And not all alts are used for signature campaigns. Some will use them for other things (in historical cases here, users like QuickSeller have been known to self-escrow with several alt accounts).

There are people who will also build up accounts to sell them. Some account farmers in poorer countries may have 100+ accounts that they keep farming and do it as a job to get them all to a higher level (or they would have done until these limits of merit came into force).

There are also bounty campaigns that people might participate in where they could produce 1000 accounts just to post on that one bounty thread and get the earnings from it.

I've noticed in the marketplace, for example, people are buyind bulk facebook accounts from other peope or buying "Friends"/"Followers" that look as if they're legitimate (with a real name and some other info filled).

And there are no rules agaisnt owning multiple accounts. No rules agaisnt selling them either...

Yeah, I read the rules and there is nothing about multi accounts and account selling, but I see there are many red tagged users here. Why they receive negative trust even though it is not against the rules? For signature campaigns these red tagged accounts are useless.

[teddy5145]

Yeah, I read the rules and there is nothing about multi accounts and account selling, but I see there are many red tagged users here. Why they receive negative trust even though it is not against the rules? For signature campaigns these red tagged accounts are useless.

Because the trust system are not moderated by the forum, no admin can remove negative trust given by DT Members.
Trust System are used to mark accounts that displays dishonest behaviours that does not fall under Forum Rules, selling account for instance.
Basically, something that is against the community will receive negative trust, while something that breaks against the forum rules will be banned

Multi accounts are allowed as long as you used them not for signature campaign or something similar.
There are many mods who have more than one accounts.

Hello, please how many people are using bitcointalk forum? I have heard that there are registered about 2 million accounts. But probably there are more accounts than real people. I see that there are many junior and newbies accounts, probably they are quite new, so is there any statistics about new members? I think most of them only want to earn here. How many of all members wear signature and are registered in signature campaigns?

I just wondering about the future of this forum, the signature campaigns and the bounties. If everyone will do bounty and signature, then there will be no future, right?

You can count members who joined Bitcoin signature campaign by doing manual calculation
Here's list of current Bitcoin signature campaign, you can count the number of participants if you'd like to
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0

[Heisenberg_Hunter]

Particularly if a member doesn't know anything about posting good quality or doesn't know anything about basic working of bitcoin, he should never join a campaign which demands 20-25 posts per week. Do you guys think making 3-4 posts per day is easier? Making 3-4 posts per day of high quality is somewhat really difficult and that's the time where spams generate. Of course if you are a shitposter it would be quite easier. If you doesn't know how to write a quality post then join in campaigns which demand 10 posts per week where you would be posting 1 quality post per day.

Some campaign managers doesn't even check the posts which the signature spammers make and reward them stakes. There are members who cover their 10-20 posts criteria just by joining twitter and fb campaigns and making reports of their likes and shares in social medias. Managers could implement what alu team is doing for their bounties by offering them a form to fill up for fb and twitter campaign reports which would reduce spam a lot.

Bitcoin Discussion is the biggest frog pond which cannot be cleaned even if all the mods of this forum join together. There are some technical threads on Altcoin Discussion which needs to be answered, but it becomes unanswered and they get buried as time passes. There would be investors for these tokens, as this is done for marketing their coin which could potentially bring some investors for their coins. Doing signature bounties is not bad, but spamming the forum to receive the rewards are considered to be bad.

[GDragon]

I will answer your questions in direct to the point. The future of what you said is remain balance. Giving a conclusion without analyzing the situation was a bat habit mr. The token receive from the ICO can be liquidate to the market and as I know some of investor start with this scenario. In fact I am one of those investor. Practicing without losing or suffering of own money in the market, sounds good right?

[TrumpD]

So there are different ways to earn through this forum, and not only signature campaigns and bounties, so to answer your question, there will still be a future for this bitcointalk forum, as long as crypto and blockchain are still existing one way or the other. That being said, you assumption that there may people multiple accounts to a single user is very valid, and that is what the mods are here for, sometimes they spot these things through signature campaigns and ban those account permanently. However, yes they cam easily create a new account, but they will have to start form the bottom again, which is very difficult now with the merit system and all. Plus lower level account do not earn much in sig campaigns, so it sort of discourages, one to go through all that effort time and time again, when they are caught.

[rehydrogenated]

Twitter campaigns and facebook campaigns are just botfest all posting at each other and no one actually investing much anymore. IMO that is why we are seeing such a massive drop in crypto, and especially ethereum. ICOs are being forced to do KYC and not allow non-accredited investors to invest in their ICOs, which means that spamming twitter and facebook is a waste of time. That leaves signature campaigns as the best way to earn investor trust.

The problem is the constant spam. I think the merit idea will keep down multi-accounts and keep spammers from ranking up, thereby rewarding the quality posters. However, I think we need more ideas along the same lines. Merit hasn't been a magic bullet.

[jackg]

Yeah, I read the rules and there is nothing about multi accounts and account selling, but I see there are many red tagged users here. Why they receive negative trust even though it is not against the rules? For signature campaigns these red tagged accounts are useless.

This is exactly why they're given negative trust. So the account gets marked as people are likely to scam/spam with an alt account.

As said before, it's not against forum rules to scam people, it's something that is managed more by the community unless it's a blatant scam. If someone postst a ponzi cheme, now, it's likely to be deleted by the mods. A couple of years ago when I started, they used to leave them up, so loads of newbies fell for them. Also, there were a lot of newbies at the time (me included) that posted asking advice on how profitible those sites would be (and a group, who, invested and lost 70BTC in a ponzi scheme).

[nakamura12]

There are currently: 1993947 users registered here.
I'd suggest that's probably about 100000-200000 people (as one user probably has an average of 10-20 alts I'd reckon based on what I've witnessed here).

I assume the majority have used their signature for something. At least half will be in some sort of signature/bounty campaign I assume.

There will now be a greater amount of Jr Members and Newbies that are just stuck where they are (if they write bad posts then they won't get any merit and won't be able to go up in rank).

Signature campaigns are quite a good way at keeping good quality posters at the forum, but if campaign managers don't moderate it too well, this is where the massive amount of spam comes from as users get free money for writing useless posts.

There are already fewer signature campaigns for newbie and Jr members, however, bounty campaigns still include them sometimes so that might lead to a larger amount of spam. There are more veteran members who spam but they usually care more about their accounts than a brand new member will as a brand new member can just ditch their account.

Wow, it is real that every person has an average of 10 accounts? It is not against the rules? They are using their multi accounts only for signature campaigns right?

I assume that's going to be what the figure is approximately.
And not all alts are used for signature campaigns. Some will use them for other things (in historical cases here, users like QuickSeller have been known to self-escrow with several alt accounts).

There are people who will also build up accounts to sell them. Some account farmers in poorer countries may have 100+ accounts that they keep farming and do it as a job to get them all to a higher level (or they would have done until these limits of merit came into force).

There are also bounty campaigns that people might participate in where they could produce 1000 accounts just to post on that one bounty thread and get the earnings from it.

I've noticed in the marketplace, for example, people are buyind bulk facebook accounts from other peope or buying "Friends"/"Followers" that look as if they're legitimate (with a real name and some other info filled).

And there are no rules agaisnt owning multiple accounts. No rules agaisnt selling them either...

Yeah, I read the rules and there is nothing about multi accounts and account selling, but I see there are many red tagged users here. Why they receive negative trust even though it is not against the rules? For signature campaigns these red tagged accounts are useless.

Red tags means they have negative trust. Those who recieved negative trust did something wrong or they just negative trust him/her for no reason. Negative trust serves as a warning to other users and those who had negative trust revenge on other users or negative trust you for no reason. My friend did recieved a negative trust for no reason and he did nothing wrong.

[W2014]

There are currently: 1993947 users registered here.
I'd suggest that's probably about 100000-200000 people (as one user probably has an average of 10-20 alts I'd reckon based on what I've witnessed here).

I assume the majority have used their signature for something. At least half will be in some sort of signature/bounty campaign I assume.

There will now be a greater amount of Jr Members and Newbies that are just stuck where they are (if they write bad posts then they won't get any merit and won't be able to go up in rank).

Signature campaigns are quite a good way at keeping good quality posters at the forum, but if campaign managers don't moderate it too well, this is where the massive amount of spam comes from as users get free money for writing useless posts.

There are already fewer signature campaigns for newbie and Jr members, however, bounty campaigns still include them sometimes so that might lead to a larger amount of spam. There are more veteran members who spam but they usually care more about their accounts than a brand new member will as a brand new member can just ditch their account.

Wow, it is real that every person has an average of 10 accounts? It is not against the rules? They are using their multi accounts only for signature campaigns right?

I assume that's going to be what the figure is approximately.
And not all alts are used for signature campaigns. Some will use them for other things (in historical cases here, users like QuickSeller have been known to self-escrow with several alt accounts).

There are people who will also build up accounts to sell them. Some account farmers in poorer countries may have 100+ accounts that they keep farming and do it as a job to get them all to a higher level (or they would have done until these limits of merit came into force).

There are also bounty campaigns that people might participate in where they could produce 1000 accounts just to post on that one bounty thread and get the earnings from it.

I've noticed in the marketplace, for example, people are buyind bulk facebook accounts from other peope or buying "Friends"/"Followers" that look as if they're legitimate (with a real name and some other info filled).

And there are no rules agaisnt owning multiple accounts. No rules agaisnt selling them either...

Yeah, I read the rules and there is nothing about multi accounts and account selling, but I see there are many red tagged users here. Why they receive negative trust even though it is not against the rules? For signature campaigns these red tagged accounts are useless.

Red tags means they have negative trust. Those who recieved negative trust did something wrong or they just negative trust him/her for no reason. Negative trust serves as a warning to other users and those who had negative trust revenge on other users or negative trust you for no reason. My friend did recieved a negative trust for no reason and he did nothing wrong.

Yeah, when it is not moderated, there is nothing what he can do, and I think that is bad. Negative trust should receive only scammers, because when you receive you can see this in your profile: Warning: Trade with extreme caution!