Who is able and willing to moderate the Politics & Society section?

[LoyceV]

~, but as a slightly revised example, if the thread title was "How do we move on from breaking up with a girlfriend/boyfriend", would this then be acceptable?

I'd say "it depends":
Yes, if it's an established member who's girlfriend recently broke up with him (face it, this is more likely than the other way around ).
No, if it's a Newbie who is only posting in P&S and Off-topic to gain Activity.

The threads I've looked through so far appear to be started for the intent of padding post counts (which I believe merit may be slowing down)

One solution would be to deny new users access to those boards, but that'll move the spam to other boards. I do believe the majority of accounts that started by posting only in those boards will never contribute anything to the forum.

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[eternalgloom]

I'll do my part in reporting some posts in Politics & Society, but it is pretty difficult to decide what gets reported and what not.
Sticking with the obvious spam for now, but ideally, I'd also want to report some of the more 'gray-area' posts as well.

Just one example of what I see as a gray-area:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3142740.0 (how do we move on from something?)

To some people it might be easy, and it might be hard to others. How do we exactly move on from something?

I guess this might be a legit question, but on the other hand it's clearly very low effort. Should be in off-topic perhaps or just removed? I don't know.

Getting back to the task at hand I will put up my thoughts on this so that anyone interested may have a little more information to judge my ability to mod.

I personally think this thread and replies are what Theymos is talking about when he says:

Politics & Society is trash. People go there, look at a headline, and post a few sentences of their first gut reaction without reading any of the other replies.

There doesn't seem to be any actual discussion taking place.  It has the lowest amount of effort possible to start a thread, OP is extremely vague "How do we move on from something".  Its easy for some hard for others.  Ok we got all the bases covered now!

The OP has not been back to the thread, none of the other posters have returned to discuss posts etc.  Only 2 or 3 posts were actual replies to other posts (which you might consider discussion) the rest were just quoting and or answering the OP over and over.

I just don't see anyone getting anything out of a thread like that, expect post count.  I don't see how removing a thread like that could be considered censoring free speech either as the OP doesn't have a point about "something" nor an opinion since he covered all his bases already.

These kinds of threads are the spam problem IMO, so I would trash can that thread (or at least lock it not sure which is better).  Leaving this type of thread open just allows more people to try to pad their post count and increase's the mods work load.  

Completely agree and just wanted to add that the reason why I'm asking is because it almost seems like 90% of the threads there are like this. Ofc this is the reason Theymos started this thread in the first place.

Examples:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315389.0 (President Trump Is More Smart Than Before - So What He Will Do Next ? )  --> Granted, this is actually on topic, but again very low effort. Though deleting this might be seen as censorship?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2976682.0 (Our Children Nowadays)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2829336.0 (Quit Facebook)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3310363.0 (WHAT IS THE RATIONALE BEHIND AFRICAN LEADERS WANTING TO RULE FOREVER)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2374499.0 (why are people suffering from jealousy ?)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2554765.0 (TIME MACHINE!)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2877389.0 (What to do when life purpose is lost?)

Might have been better to find out which topics are actually good, that list would have been shorter... Most of these topics are obviously from people who have a poor understanding of English, but where do you draw the line?

If it's poor english + generally low effort, it should be removed.

Low effort also means just copy pasting an article, even if they add the source. If there's no personal commentary in that case, should be removed.

[digaran]

It does seem like you're either on a power-trip or trolling everyone you come across. I hope you don't actually consider yourself in the running for moderator.

I have heard it before, power means something different for me. I have no desire to make people cry or break their hearts by deleting their posts in bulk by removing topics or resetting the entire forum section. if there is a reset, I want to reset Bitcoin as well. just let me mine with my laptop for 24 hours first.
Resetting the entire section, looks easy, less work for a moderator. I apologize if I have acted like a stupid child, I haven't slept for 2 days.

Nobody even mentioned anything about my posted quotes and my ideas on how to deal with them, I have suggested a few methods of dealing with the garbage in that section. because I don't have any administration access to implement them (what I mean by that, you shouldn't necessarily ask for permission from theymos every time you are not sure about something, just don't make it any harder for him than it really is), I presented them (I don't know which method I should use, or use them in mixture. there has to be a time in which some of them are more productive ), though everything is not on the table yet. need to sleep and prepare my case tomorrow. I couldn't even use my source merits today, too many long posts on tech section and mostly from Legendary members.

Note, @theymos, you asked, I came. if you also need a DT moderator to care about the trust system I could act as an active measure (don't know what that means, I heard it on Homeland season 7 episode 8. lol). if I'm not qualified after presenting my full case, I will then prepare my next case for another section. thank you all for your unbiased inputs on my character. remember, ideas on moderation should be discussed, pointing out to me that I'm stupid will do me no good, if you really believe that I'm stupid, unfit and untrustworthy.

@Bill Gates, I used that other account to say those things for a reason. plausible deniability.
Note again, have you noticed 2 people are following the ~Cat like a tail? quoting Mother Teresa here like some people care.

EDIT in red above and the following:

I would suggest if any of you are serious about this job. at least make prepare 20-30 different users and different posts, not just the easy ones, try to pick on some of the high ranking members and their garbage posts as well. all I wanted was for the best to become a mod, not just a fish acting like a limp dick.

[Flying Hellfish]

Completely agree and just wanted to add that the reason why I'm asking is because it almost seems like 90% of the threads there are like this. Ofc this is the reason Theymos started this thread in the first place.

Examples:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315389.0 (President Trump Is More Smart Than Before - So What He Will Do Next ? )  --> Granted, this is actually on topic, but again very low effort. Though deleting this might be seen as censorship?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2976682.0 (Our Children Nowadays)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2829336.0 (Quit Facebook)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3310363.0 (WHAT IS THE RATIONALE BEHIND AFRICAN LEADERS WANTING TO RULE FOREVER)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2374499.0 (why are people suffering from jealousy ?)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2554765.0 (TIME MACHINE!)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2877389.0 (What to do when life purpose is lost?)

Might have been better to find out which topics are actually good, that list would have been shorter... Most of these topics are obviously from people who have a poor understanding of English, but where do you draw the line?

If it's poor english + generally low effort, it should be removed.

Low effort also means just copy pasting an article, even if they add the source. If there's no personal commentary in that case, should be removed.

How many of them are duplicate or redundant topics on top of being questionable?

There is a 550+ page flat earth thread in OT (and I would guess 80% of it is redundant in itself LOL).  There is a ~7 page flat earth thread in P&S.  I even posted in the P&S thread advising to use the OT thread (as it's much bigger and funnier!) but still page after page of shit posts rack up in the P&S thread.  So it seems the logical thing to do is lock the P&S thread and encourage (with a link) anyone interested in talking about the topic to go to the Off Topic thread for further discussion.

Obviously this is one I know about and I am sure there are tons more so the mod in that section will need community support to be effective.

[Astargath]

Completely agree and just wanted to add that the reason why I'm asking is because it almost seems like 90% of the threads there are like this. Ofc this is the reason Theymos started this thread in the first place.

Examples:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315389.0 (President Trump Is More Smart Than Before - So What He Will Do Next ? )  --> Granted, this is actually on topic, but again very low effort. Though deleting this might be seen as censorship?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2976682.0 (Our Children Nowadays)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2829336.0 (Quit Facebook)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3310363.0 (WHAT IS THE RATIONALE BEHIND AFRICAN LEADERS WANTING TO RULE FOREVER)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2374499.0 (why are people suffering from jealousy ?)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2554765.0 (TIME MACHINE!)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2877389.0 (What to do when life purpose is lost?)

Might have been better to find out which topics are actually good, that list would have been shorter... Most of these topics are obviously from people who have a poor understanding of English, but where do you draw the line?

If it's poor english + generally low effort, it should be removed.

Low effort also means just copy pasting an article, even if they add the source. If there's no personal commentary in that case, should be removed.

How many of them are duplicate or redundant topics on top of being questionable?

There is a 550+ page flat earth thread in OT (and I would guess 80% of it is redundant in itself LOL).  There is a ~7 page flat earth thread in P&S.  I even posted in the P&S thread advising to use the OT thread (as it's much bigger and funnier!) but still page after page of shit posts rack up in the P&S thread.  So it seems the logical thing to do is lock the P&S thread and encourage (with a link) anyone interested in talking about the topic to go to the Off Topic thread for further discussion.

Obviously this is one I know about and I am sure there are tons more so the mod in that section will need community support to be effective.

I personally have been talking to badecker on the '' evolution is a hoax '' thread for easily 40-50 pages and some of it might be redundant but I think is an acceptable conversation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.1940

That being said, in between our conversation there are plenty of similar low quality answers, I think you have been following that thread too so you know what I'm talking about. I probably should be reporting more posts there, that's true.

I do agree that there are plenty of threads, easily 80% that are just stupid and would fit better in off topic.

Did you guys pick a mod yet? I haven't read all the answers in this thread yet.

[Flying Hellfish]

I personally have been talking to badecker on the '' evolution is a hoax '' thread for easily 40-50 pages and some of it might be redundant but I think is an acceptable conversation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.1940

That being said, in between our conversation there are plenty of similar low quality answers, I think you have been following that thread too so you know what I'm talking about. I probably should be reporting more posts there, that's true.

I do agree that there are plenty of threads, easily 80% that are just stupid and would fit better in off topic.

Ya I am definitely familiar with BADecker and that thread!    My view on it is yes the in between posts need to be fixed those one liners replying only to the title of the thread, they gotta go.  But you and BD are putting effort into your posts and having a debate (if talking to a wall can be called a debate LOL).  Yes a lot of has been repeated but I don't believe for a second either of you are doing it for post count.

I don't have a problem with you guys.  BADecker and I are about as polar opposite as I can imagine but I haven't once seen him break a forum rule that I know of, so as far a I'm concerned he can say whatever he wants!   I also think he is one of the funniest users on the forum 

Notbatman (as you know) is another controversial user. As vile and disgusting as he is I haven't seen him break any forum rules either.  I feel sorry for the dude, I think he has a mental illness (seriously) but he is allowed his opinion either way.

Anyways as far as I go I say keep these kinds of users talking, the entertainment value is through the roof!  They are literally the reason I go to those two boards!!!!!

Did you guys pick a mod yet? I haven't read all the answers in this thread yet.

No word yet that I saw.

[mikeoneal]

I was wondering why alot of discussions about who will be the new Mod  since this user Flying Hellfish has 257 non bad reports even if you add all users reports ,he will still has more reports .He should be automaticaly the new mod .
 

[Astargath]

I personally have been talking to badecker on the '' evolution is a hoax '' thread for easily 40-50 pages and some of it might be redundant but I think is an acceptable conversation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.1940

That being said, in between our conversation there are plenty of similar low quality answers, I think you have been following that thread too so you know what I'm talking about. I probably should be reporting more posts there, that's true.

I do agree that there are plenty of threads, easily 80% that are just stupid and would fit better in off topic.

Ya I am definitely familiar with BADecker and that thread!    My view on it is yes the in between posts need to be fixed those one liners replying only to the title of the thread, they gotta go.  But you and BD are putting effort into your posts and having a debate (if talking to a wall can be called a debate LOL).  Yes a lot of has been repeated but I don't believe for a second either of you are doing it for post count.

I don't have a problem with you guys.  BADecker and I are about as polar opposite as I can imagine but I haven't once seen him break a forum rule that I know of, so as far a I'm concerned he can say whatever he wants!   I also think he is one of the funniest users on the forum 

Notbatman (as you know) is another controversial user. As vile and disgusting as he is I haven't seen him break any forum rules either.  I feel sorry for the dude, I think he has a mental illness (seriously) but he is allowed his opinion either way.

Anyways as far as I go I say keep these kinds of users talking, the entertainment value is through the roof!  They are literally the reason I go to those two boards!!!!!

Did you guys pick a mod yet? I haven't read all the answers in this thread yet.

No word yet that I saw.

Are you applying? I would vote for you.

[ClayDouglas]

I like to go to that board because I'm a political guy, but it really is just trash. Most posts sound like a 10 year beauty pageant contestants answering questions.

Like somebody else said, it should probably be limited to higher ranking level who are not just posting to build up posts.

[hilariousetc]

Most posts sound like a 10 year beauty pageant contestants answering questions.

Haha. Half of them probably are.









The sad thing is is those answers are probably more articulate than your average P&S ones.

[pugman]

The sad thing is is those answers are probably more articulate than your average P&S ones.

And they are comprehensible!  Whoop whoop!

Most posts sound like a 10 year beauty pageant contestants answering questions.

10 year beauty pageant answer better than those posters in politics and society.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The sad thing is is those answers are probably more articulate than your average P&S ones.

Oh, I'd say by a factor of 5 at least.

I vote for Flying Hellfish.  He's obviously level-headed and seems like he can do the job.  Meanwhile, digaran is following in the footsteps of mixan in having a very public prizefight with sanity.  And if you take a look at mixan's trust score, well...

Edit:  I'll be damned.  Looks like mixan logged in recently.  I wonder if the nutty person who earned all that negative feedback is still the one in control of the account.

[Literally_farming_merits]

@don Hillary. those girls in your post are good and useful for jumping purposes only. lol.

Oh, I'd say by a factor of 5 at least.

I vote for Flying Hellfish.  He's obviously level-headed and seems like he can do the job.

Angry pinoy. note about the level-headed. could you find the original post to read what it says after "I do believe in Jesus, I do"? that part edited out by level headed is the core of the lonely virgin's whole belief system. but it was censored, why?

Thanks by a factor of 0. master Pharmacist.

I'm giving you a chance to edit this one, however theymos could see no matter what you do. I wouldn't trust somebody if he/she has no fear of God. I know for a fact that administration and staff team of this forum don't like somebody talking about our saviour like that. (for the record, I do believe in Jesus, I do

[TheBeardedBaby]

 Flying Hellfish is my choice too, as I said earlier, I'll give a hand in the cleaning of the section.

I do support the suggestion the section to be restricted for be for newbies or maybe not to generate activity ( or require some level of merit to generate activity, a way to filter the shitposters) since it is not directly related to Bitcoin/Altcoin.

Same rules should apply also for the Off topic section.

You'll say that all the shitposters will flood the Bitcoin/Altcoin sections, yeah this is true, but there are more active users ( not shitposters)  and they can do more  reports. It can be more work but it will be more control ( and more work for the moderators)

[Literally_farming_merits]

Flying Hellfish is my choice too, as I said earlier, I'll give a hand in the cleaning of the section.

Based on being a level headed person? make everybody with more reports automatically a moderator. because that is what theymos asked. you are giving your view based on reports. otherwise you would've provided a reason to justify your vote.

I'm listing your names to remember how I should value your opinions in the future.

[jumbo]

I would like actually to take a shot.

It is obvious, that my current rank is not anywhere near a respectable community member, yet I'm a very long-term user and reader. Also, my education (MS in Economics and minor ih the Political studies) is a good match.

[digaran]

@theymos, read latest posts of this user. they are not even using any decent username. dewynijhof is practically like a random push of a few keys.

Hello!

There are a lot of us in BTCtalk. We are here because of different reasons. And could you please tell me, how have you started being interested in crypto? Do you work in this industry? Or you are a bounty participant?

Share your experience  

Hello. I started paying attention to cryptocurrency since I was a student. A friend introduced me to crypto, he said about joining the bounty to earn extra income. and from there I started to participate in crypto. One of my favorite bounty projects is the signature campaign, and every day I write posts on this forum. My life is better, I also learned a lot about crypto since join the bounty

How much time do you spend per day on reading/researching about Cryptocurrencies? Or any topic related to it?

Every day after work, I spend about 2-3 hours to read and study the cryptocurrency market. I hope crypto will bring a better life for my family in the future, so I always try to have more knowledge about crypto, because knowledge will help me a lot in the trade with crypto. Especially during this time, when the market is red, this is not a good time to trade, so I spend most of my free time after work to study crypto. Besides, I also participated in this forum to read and answer questions about crypto, which also helped me gain more knowledge about it.

I invest in the cryptocurrency market with the main purpose is to get big profits. I work hard every month but my monthly salary is just enough to cover my family's life. So, when I invest in Crypto, I hope after a while I will have enough money to buy a house and my family life will be better.

I don't believe for a second this account to be not a farmed account. spending 15 minutes averagely in a day to earn a few dollars in a month to buy a house? investing on crypto and hope to earn enough money to buy a house and have a better life for his family? he said that his salary is just enough for his family to survive. do you think members like this one, are here with 1 account to earn money to support their families? I think they are here with more than 10 accounts. all of them start farming accounts by posting in P & S. they need their signatures disabled.

we human always want to do everything fast and conviniently, earning money is very important so they want to earn money as fast as they can in oder to do somethings else, so they wont want to work hard if that job dont bring them fast money.

hope that market regulates itself
you think that bountyhunters earn millions ? 95% of the tokens become worthless as soon as the participants dump them
those who are first,get some coins,if any,those who are late get peanuts not worth talking about
probably 90% of all ICOs pay less than 1-2$ very rare cases 5-20$,yes there are some that are solid and worth keeping
but bountyhunters don't care,usually and sell as soon as they can

You are right. I don't understand why people don't like spam from people who want to earn some money. People from poor countries have not a normal work and forced to work on promotion scam ICOs.

Mindset of people come to this forum. let people spam, they need money to support their families. wrong mindset.

Deleting posts and trashing topics is not enough. stopping people from ranking up is not enough. they will continue and will post even more garbage, because they will have only low rank accounts and bounties pay small for low rank accounts. if you were posting with 20 Hero accounts before. now your friend has no other option other than posting with 100 Jr member accounts.

Let me disable their signatures while deleting their posts as well. let me start with obvious farmed accounts first and then reviewing post history of members posting low value, no-value garbage in P & S section. every section's mod doing that, we'll have no more garbage posts.

Note, I'm not against people trying to earn money here if they are posting with 2-3 accounts. it starts to hurt this forum when they are trying to milk this forum by more than 10 accounts. is there anybody here to spend time to achieve that? or you all want to get on with your lives, only having the perks of a moderator, not spending time dedicating your lives to your "job"? it's not even a job for you. how could you moderate hundreds of thousands of posts without spending time as a full job?

Removing topics with more than 40-50 pages achieves nothing, they will repeat doing the same thing. moderating in that section has nothing to do about one's education or political views. being a moderator means that you should delete totally garbage posts, any terrorist activity such as inviting people to join a specific group, organization to fight against whatever they believe is a cause worth fighting for. moving irrelevant topics. deleting off topic replies. I don't care if you worship the devil, just don't invite people to do the same by providing specific details such as posting links to websites asking people how and where to go and what to do in order to worship the devil.

If there are not much reporting from people in that section, it will be a difficult job to clean it. if you have somebody better than me. go for it. I'm disappointed to see there is no real competition. only an angry pinoy vouching for Bernie Sanders. we all know he wasn't going to be the president. or maybe Flying catfish is Trump?

People at least learn from Vod, he never replied here after he expressed his opinion about me. at least he is man enough to know the difference between bad and good in general. I'm begging you. learn from him. responsible member.

I know I am arrogant, sue me.

[actmyname]

Angry pinoy. note about the level-headed. could you find the original post to read what it says after "I do believe in Jesus, I do"? that part edited out by level headed is the core of the lonely virgin's whole belief system. but it was censored, why?

Why are you now responding with an alt rather than your main account?

(for the record, I do believe in Jesus, I do believe him to be alive and to be one of the God's prophets. I believe that he is the saviour of humanity like the grandson of the last prophet)
I do fear God and ask forgiveness every day of my life. I'm 29 years old and a true virgin. lol if you want.  I do make mistakes and would try to fix them and improve myself. I have nothing to offer to this world, that is why I'm trying to make a difference.

Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Go make a difference.

I would suggest if any of you are serious about this job. at least make prepare 20-30 different users and different posts [...]

Having over 200 good reports isn't being serious enough?

It's also senseless to ask for posts by high-ranked members. Spam is spam, regardless of the origin. You'll find plenty of spammers that have high activity/rank. Moreover, the act of seeking out high-rank spamposts is not a key part of a moderator's duties.

moving irrelevant topics. deleting off topic replies. I don't care if you worship the devil, just don't invite people to do the same by providing specific details such as posting links to websites asking people how and where to go and what to do in order to worship the devil.

That is against free speech and you are using biased opinions.

or you all want to get on with your lives, only having the perks of a moderator, not spending time dedicating your lives to your "job"? it's not even a job for you. how could you moderate hundreds of thousands of posts without spending time as a full job?

Delete, delete, delete.

[LoyceV]

@theymos, read latest posts of this user. they are not even using any decent username. dewynijhof is practically like a random push of a few keys.

About 4000 Dutch people have "Nijhof" as surname, and about 3000 Dutch people have "Dewy" as first name.
It's 17576 times less likely to hit "dewynijhof" at random than entering "digiran".

[Literally_farming_merits]

Angry pinoy. note about the level-headed. could you find the original post to read what it says after "I do believe in Jesus, I do"? that part edited out by level headed is the core of the lonely virgin's whole belief system. but it was censored, why?

Why are you now responding with an alt rather than your main account?

(for the record, I do believe in Jesus, I do believe him to be alive and to be one of the God's prophets. I believe that he is the saviour of humanity like the grandson of the last prophet)
I do fear God and ask forgiveness every day of my life. I'm 29 years old and a true virgin. lol if you want.  I do make mistakes and would try to fix them and improve myself. I have nothing to offer to this world, that is why I'm trying to make a difference.

Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Go make a difference.

I would suggest if any of you are serious about this job. at least make prepare 20-30 different users and different posts [...]

Having over 200 good reports isn't being serious enough?

It's also senseless to ask for posts by high-ranked members. Spam is spam, regardless of the origin. You'll find plenty of spammers that have high activity/rank. Moreover, the act of seeking out high-rank spamposts is not a key part of a moderator's duties.

moving irrelevant topics. deleting off topic replies. I don't care if you worship the devil, just don't invite people to do the same by providing specific details such as posting links to websites asking people how and where to go and what to do in order to worship the devil.

That is against free speech and you are using biased opinions.

Why did you answer instead of him? I'm an alt admittedly. are you?
Would it make you happy if I sell my possessions and die of starvation while you guys hit alia and get money for doing nothing?
If I post a link to a website asking people to come to my house and let me do what I want to please the devil. a moderator deleting my post is against free speech? what do you know about religion? you are taking the side of somebody on behalf of somebody else. you would do that for everything else maybe?

You don't have the right to add a quote of Jesus and ask me to follow his advice because I believe him to be a prophet of God, but nobody is going to delete your post, we can just question your motivation, why did you answer instead of The Pharmacist?

Why did you alter the context of my question? did I ask to tell me about what Jesus said or did I ask to take a note about what Flying Hellfish did?
Miss actmyname 2018.