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August 02, 2011, 03:45:16 AM
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I'm reposting this from another topic:

If anyone is concerned about the debt and wishes they could be taxed more to pay it down, here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is: https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/formInstance.html?agencyFormId=23779454. Oh, by the way, it's not tax deductible.

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August 02, 2011, 04:33:01 AM
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No one in the Democratic party is suggesting that poor people and students pucker up and pay money that they don't have... Please watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu5B-2LoC4s

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August 02, 2011, 04:44:58 AM
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No one in the Democratic party is suggesting that poor people and students pucker up and pay money that they don't have... Please watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu5B-2LoC4s

No one in this thread is suggesting so either. But I have heard people say that they wouldn't mind paying more taxes. So for them, I'm offering up the government's current solution.

EDIT: I just watched your video. Please send that pay.gov link to Warren Buffett so he can pay more.

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August 02, 2011, 07:17:56 PM
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No one has to pay more.  All that needs to be done is for the Banks to STEAL LESS. 

And you can stop the problem all together by making them stop STEALING ALL TOGETHER.


When Banks create fake financial instruments called Derivitives in a computer totalling over 1.5 Quadrillion Dollars and then gamble them back and forth making money on the way up and on the way down(depending which way you bet) and the prance around worldwide begging, tricking, threatening, or assaulting their way into attaching themselves to a countries Taxable Income then you get complete destruction of that countries Economy.

This is what is happening when you see countries like Argentina, Iceland, Ireland, and Greece spiraling out of control.  This debt they are said they owe, is banker debt, not the particular countries debt.  It would amount to me going to vegas a few times a year and gambling.  If I win I keep the money.  If I lose, you pay the losses out of pocket in Taxes and I don't lose a dime.

Fix this problem by wiping out ALL Dirivitive Debt completely and you will see worldwide economic recovery.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/derivatives-the-quadrillion-dollar-financial-casino-completely-dominated-by-the-big-international-banks
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12947
http://www.siliconvalleywatcher.com/mt/archives/2008/10/the_size_of_der.php
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/06/09/risk-quadrillion-derivatives-market-gdp/
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/coming_derivatives_crisis_150.html
http://thecomingdepression.blogspot.com/2009/03/outstanding-derivatives-128-quadrillion.html
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August 02, 2011, 07:49:02 PM
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It would amount to me going to vegas a few times a year and gambling.  If I win I keep the money.  If I lose, you pay the losses out of pocket in Taxes and I don't lose a dime.

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August 02, 2011, 08:00:42 PM
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Well, well, well, if it isn't Dr. Gono. I have a note signed by you promising to pay me on demand 100 trillion dollars. So I'm ready for it, where's my money?

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August 02, 2011, 08:21:31 PM
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Lol @ Gideon.

I've got someone onboard to pay taxes on my gambling debts!  Sweet!
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August 02, 2011, 08:21:41 PM
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No.

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August 02, 2011, 08:32:42 PM
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Who are we indebted to and why would you want to give them a single penny?

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August 02, 2011, 08:35:27 PM
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Read the linbks above, then do some research on hos Banks try and attach themselves to a nations tax income.

EXAMPLE -------------> FED ER AL RES ERVE
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August 02, 2011, 08:38:38 PM
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I'd much rather see more money printed to pay down the national debt than to pay it down myself.
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August 02, 2011, 09:02:42 PM
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Lol that's what they do, and that what makes the problem even worse.

Geez us buddy comon.  If you don't pay in taxes you pay in a devalued Dollar.  Last decades $1 loaf of bread cost $2 or $3 now depending on which one you buy.  Your Dollar buys less the more they print.  

I'd much rather see more money printed to pay down the national debt than to pay it down myself.

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"That's an obvious yes as I do not put up a fight when taxes are already taken from me on a regular basis.!"
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August 02, 2011, 09:04:30 PM
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Yes, but people like Wall Street who leech excessive amounts of money from the economy and introduce little value should be taxed much much more
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August 02, 2011, 09:07:42 PM
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When they are ones putting Presidents in office do you really expect that to happen?
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August 02, 2011, 09:24:44 PM
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I quote your original post.  "That's an obvious yes" implies to me you are Slave.  By choice.  No better than a lamb to the slaughter.

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Are you willing to pay more taxes to pay down the national debt?

That's an obvious yes as I do not put up a fight when taxes are already taken from me on a regular basis.

I think the real question is "Is the government finally ready to allow the people to have some say in what their tax money is spent on".

If that was no longer an issue, many would GLADLY pay more in taxes to have the debt zeroed out. Hell, I'd give 100% of my income for the rest of my life if it guaranteed it, but the lack of guarantee is why people won't do it. We know that problems due to money mismanagement are not fixed by more money. They're fixed by more lies!
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August 02, 2011, 09:27:13 PM
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When they are ones putting Presidents in office do you really expect that to happen?

No, but a man can dream, can't he?  Cry

Guess it's time to look back into immigrating out. Anyone else feel free to join me, just be sure to leave your libertarian ideals behind lest you poison whatever socialist paradise we end up at.
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August 02, 2011, 09:39:51 PM
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Are you willing to pay more taxes to pay down the national debt?

That's an obvious yes as I do not put up a fight when taxes are already taken from me on a regular basis.

I think the real question is "Is the government finally ready to allow the people to have some say in what their tax money is spent on".

If that was no longer an issue, many would GLADLY pay more in taxes to have the debt zeroed out. Hell, I'd give 100% of my income for the rest of my life if it guaranteed it, but the lack of guarantee is why people won't do it. We know that problems due to money mismanagement are not fixed by more money. They're fixed by more lies!

Seriously?  You would be a slave of the government because they can't control their spending?  Why do you think it is your responsibility?  

Also, saying you would give 100% of your income is just ridiculous.  Are you not going to eat or drink?  Where will you live?
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August 02, 2011, 09:47:49 PM
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You just told us you want to be taxed more to pay down the debt?  Get your own head out of your ass you f'in moron.

With that being said.....



I quote your original post.  "That's an obvious yes" implies to me you are Slave.  By choice.  No better than a lamb to the slaughter.

Or a law abiding, business owning citizen of 2 countries who wouldn't last a day attempting tax evasion. Get your head out of your ass. Nobody enjoys paying taxes, but by your critique of me ready to pay for bettering the world in comparison to being 'no better than a lamb to the slaughter', it's not only unnecessarily rude, it's downright ignorant.

So you don't pay your taxes then?

So if the government told you that if you paid 100% of your income you could rid your country of all debt, you wouldn't do it?

If I'm a lamb ready for slaughter based on my ideals, based on yours you're already a tv dinner.
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August 02, 2011, 10:14:54 PM
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Wow, just WOW.  Idiots like you are why America went to shit.  Someone so blind, and so delusional they can't be bothered to stand up for themselves or their countrymen and hold their leaders feet to the fire and make sure they don't destroy the country with corruption.

"So you think anyone in history who has dedicated their life to a country, regardless of the leaders and policies of that country, in an effort to make it better for the next generation was a slave?"

Seriously?  You would be a slave of the government because they can't control their spending?

So you think anyone in history who has dedicated their life to a country, regardless of the leaders and policies of that country, in an effort to make it better for the next generation was a slave? Wow. That's universally fubar.

Why do you think it is your responsibility?  

I have this complex you see, when I see a opportunity to do some good I just HAVE to take it...I don't know what's wrong with me. Must be because I'm a good person or something. Someone give me some medication please so I can be greedy, selfish, defeatist, unimaginative meatbags like the rest of you guys please!  Cry haha. No but seriously, I don't think it's my responsibility. But it would be pretty cool to have a chance to be able to have an effect on something that big, wouldn't it?

Also, saying you would give 100% of your income is just ridiculous.  Are you not going to eat or drink?  Where will you live?

Of course it was ridiculous, it was an exaggeration. It's not impossible though, so long as you live with my parents like everyone else in the Bitcoin community *rimshot*
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August 02, 2011, 10:17:24 PM
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Lol that's what they do, and that what makes the problem even worse.

Geez us buddy comon.  If you don't pay in taxes you pay in a devalued Dollar.  Last decades $1 loaf of bread cost $2 or $3 now depending on which one you buy.  Your Dollar buys less the more they print.  

I'd much rather see more money printed to pay down the national debt than to pay it down myself.
I didn't say it would fix the problem with national debt.  Pretty sure that one's hopeless.  But it would fix MY problems, which currently involve a house I am upside down on and student loans I'm on the hook for.

Short term, hyperinflation be really difficult, as wages would invariably stay lower for a while after prices have risen.  But eventually, competition in the labor market would force employers to raise wages.  The slice of my income that debt payments take out every month would get smaller and smaller, and I would be able to pay them off faster.  As an added bonus, my house would retain value, even while the loan against it lost value for the bank.

Of course it was ridiculous, it was an exaggeration. It's not impossible though, so long as you live with my parents like everyone else in the Bitcoin community *rimshot*
That's a lot of people living with your parents...  Wink
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