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April 22, 2018, 02:29:24 PM
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http://www.bitswiss.ch/

...or photocopier?



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A unique patent in the market
Our chip is made up of tens of thousands of interconnected transistors linked by different horizontal planes. These links are both encrypted and rendered unrecognizable by approximately 120,000 binary codes and passwords generated by them.
The calculated data can only be decrypted and processed with our specially developed software. Our ASIC processor is an electronic circuit. This is permanently integrated in the circuit, so that the function of the chip can not be changed.
If an attempt were made to copy or decode these codes, the charge in the chip would be altered, which would lead to the connections becoming burnt.

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4284 miners can be replaced by 12 machines, these offer a computing power of 60,000 TH / s.

Their CEO, Vladislav Lozhizky shows up thus on a search





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April 22, 2018, 03:19:52 PM
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Did a quick whois search for this site, here's what I got:

Code:
Domain name:
bitswiss.ch

Holder of domain name:
Bitswiss Technologies AG
Mirko Quarta
Sihleggstrasse 23
CH-8832 Wollerau
Switzerland

Technical contact:
switchplus
Mitarbeiter Kundendienst
Limmatquai 112
CH-8001 Zurich
Switzerland

Registrar:
switchplus AG

First registration date:
2011-06-09

DNSSEC:N

Name servers:
ns1.switchplus.ch [80.67.16.124]
ns2.switchplus.ch [193.223.77.3]

Interestingly enough the site's been registered since 2011, but this is almost definitely vaporware. Almost no technical information except for some vague wording that barely relates to relevant mining info at all. A Google image search of the printer both straight from the site and flipped horizontally in case they flipped it gave no results, though. The lack of grammar and uncapitalized words everywhere including 'cooling' and 'about us' doesn't speak too well of the site either.

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April 23, 2018, 02:53:33 PM
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It checks every box for a vapor-miner:

1) meaningless 3D rendering
2) liquid cooled
3) ridiculous hashrate (5 PH/s if I'm reading it right)
4) nobody's heard of them before

All they need to do now is to start taking preorders. But perhaps their target is not the end users but some naive venture capitalists.

BTW there are some google hits for the CEO if you use this spelling of his name: "Wladislaw Loschizki".

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April 23, 2018, 03:23:50 PM
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It checks every box for a vapor-miner:

1) meaningless 3D rendering
2) liquid cooled
3) ridiculous hashrate (5 PH/s if I'm reading it right)
4) nobody's heard of them before

All they need to do now is to start taking preorders. But perhaps their target is not the end users but some naive venture capitalists.

BTW there are some google hits for the CEO if you use this spelling of his name: "Wladislaw Loschizki".

Yes to all those but, hey, they said Craig Wright was mad. Oh, wait....

I actually came across this whilst reading the IceRock thread, y'know aTriz's ex clients, the Kazakhs in the Kave.
They're claiming exclusive first dibs on these soooper miners, and have amended their ROI accordingly, from 400% to 700%.
I love my work.

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April 24, 2018, 04:47:04 PM
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It looks like something from the medical bay of a campy sci fi show

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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April 24, 2018, 05:02:05 PM
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As a matter of interest, does this make any sense or is it simply words? (Please only respond if you actually know what you're talking about. tia.)
 
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A unique patent in the market
Our chip is made up of tens of thousands of interconnected transistors linked by different horizontal planes. These links are both encrypted and rendered unrecognizable by approximately 120,000 binary codes and passwords generated by them.
The calculated data can only be decrypted and processed with our specially developed software. Our ASIC processor is an electronic circuit. This is permanently integrated in the circuit, so that the function of the chip can not be changed.
If an attempt were made to copy or decode these codes, the charge in the chip would be altered, which would lead to the connections becoming burnt.


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April 25, 2018, 11:55:05 AM
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As a matter of interest, does this make any sense or is it simply words? (Please only respond if you actually know what you're talking about. tia.)
 
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A unique patent in the market
Our chip is made up of tens of thousands of interconnected transistors linked by different horizontal planes. These links are both encrypted and rendered unrecognizable by approximately 120,000 binary codes and passwords generated by them.
The calculated data can only be decrypted and processed with our specially developed software. Our ASIC processor is an electronic circuit. This is permanently integrated in the circuit, so that the function of the chip can not be changed.
If an attempt were made to copy or decode these codes, the charge in the chip would be altered, which would lead to the connections becoming burnt.
As someone once said, 'if you can't blind them with brilliance - baffle them with bullshit'.....

Translation: Our supposed chip is 3d (stacked dies) and for whatever reason we decided to waste precious die space by encrypting the normally un-encrypted data IO between the chip and the controller. The chips is an ASIC - look it up in Wikipedia.

Given the A1 tag and the 3D chip construction -- that sounds a helluva lot like Bitmine.ch's crappy A1 chip from 2014...

For bitcoin to succeed the community must police itself - Joshua Zipkin aka Joshua Alexander leaked AMT A1 miner skype chats
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April 25, 2018, 06:26:03 PM
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As someone once said, 'if you can't blind them with brilliance - baffle them with bullshit'.....

Translation: Our supposed chip is 3d (stacked dies) and for whatever reason we decided to waste precious die space by encrypting the normally un-encrypted data IO between the chip and the controller. The chips is an ASIC - look it up in Wikipedia.
Actually this part just looks like a very bad, non-technical translation of a sensible technology. When routing signal between the chips it is worthwhile to replace wide parallel buses with narrow serial ones. The circuit is called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SerDes .

Now when you have multiple serdes-es working in the same equipment it is further worthwhile to shape the electrical noise with a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrambler . The modern scramblers/descramblers are usually trivial encryption/decryption circuits designed to provide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decorrelation to minimize mutual interference.

Much better translation would use alternative names for the same things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal-whitening
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitening_sequences .

Notwithstanding the above I agree with the general trust of your post regarding 'baffling with bullshit'. But this particular piece of bullshit looks more like a standard marketing baloney very badly translated from Russian to English. Or maybe it even wasn't direct translation but a multi-step one with German somewhere in the middle.

Edit: I particularly agree with this statement:
But perhaps their target is not the end users but some naive venture capitalists.

Please comment, critique, criticize or ridicule BIP 2112: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54382.0
Long-term mining prognosis: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91101.0
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May 08, 2018, 03:55:30 PM
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I own a Bitcoin note from this group, a super high quality paper wallet. They seemed pretty dang legit then.

https://www.bitcoinsuisse.ch
Was their paper wallet page, not sure if it's the same group for sure.
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May 08, 2018, 05:25:16 PM
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Given the very different site names  bitcoinsuisse vs bitswiss - highly doubt they are the same folks.

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