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April 25, 2018, 03:34:01 AM |
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I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?
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April 25, 2018, 04:05:45 AM |
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Big players are known as a "whales " in the market which the only players can manipulate the price because of their huge contribution and indeed no one can spot when it will happen 'cause only those whales knows about it . For more information read some articles around the internet maybe it can help .regards
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there are just too many ways of doing it so it is impossible to give you a walk through but just as an example of how you can notice it i can talk about ETH and the way they used to prevent its crashes. the whales there were putting up huge buy walls on major exchanges (at the time it was poloniex), these buy walls were huge to eat any dumps that were coming. it lasted days and that slowed down the dump of this coin significantly. such walls is a good sign that there is a huge dump going on which the whales don't like but is inevitable.
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April 25, 2018, 04:26:24 AM |
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About 40% of all bitcoins belong to 1,000 users. 17.3% of the coins that have already been mined are controlled by top-100 BTC wallets. Unfortunately, regulators react very slowly to the development of situation on the cryptocurrency market, so many of the existing rules are still blurred.
As with many types of assets, large private and institutional owners do conspire to manipulate the price. In case of cryptocurrency, such manipulations go to extremes due to the immaturity of these markets and the speculative nature of assets.
Whales can inform or coordinate deals with a limited circle of people. Many of the key owners of bitcoin have known each other for years - they believed in cryptocurrency at its dawn when the majority of people only laughed out of it. So, in this way whales can potentially arrange things to crash or raise the market.
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April 25, 2018, 04:48:14 AM |
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Whales can really manipulate thru investing or withdrawing their money from bitcoin, we all know that from here because it was already talked here from years ago..
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April 25, 2018, 05:08:14 AM |
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By dumling the price and pumping the price whales has a power it comes manipulated the pricing. In this world of crypto it's a big advantage those have a big investment.
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April 26, 2018, 12:43:14 AM |
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there are just too many ways of doing it so it is impossible to give you a walk through but just as an example of how you can notice it i can talk about ETH and the way they used to prevent its crashes. the whales there were putting up huge buy walls on major exchanges (at the time it was poloniex), these buy walls were huge to eat any dumps that were coming. it lasted days and that slowed down the dump of this coin significantly. such walls is a good sign that there is a huge dump going on which the whales don't like but is inevitable.
I saw such walls in some project and I just wasn't sure what was it. Thanks for clarification. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Whales can really manipulate thru investing or withdrawing their money from bitcoin, we all know that from here because it was already talked here from years ago..
As I mentioned, I have such general sense. No doubt about it. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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April 26, 2018, 01:54:33 AM |
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I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?
Whales are the investors who have a big share/slices in stocks either in crypto or FOREX. The manipulation occurs when they control the market by means of holding and instant selling of their investment. Sometimes, conspiracy among whales are happen in cryptocurrency market. They often buy or sell a huge amount of investment in order for a price to fall or rise. If you are a whale their is a possibility that you can gain a lot of profits by means of manipulation.
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April 26, 2018, 02:08:34 AM |
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I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?
Whales are the investors who have a big share/slices in stocks either in crypto or FOREX. The manipulation occurs when they control the market by means of holding and instant selling of their investment. Sometimes, conspiracy among whales are happen in cryptocurrency market. They often buy or sell a huge amount of investment in order for a price to fall or rise. If you are a whale their is a possibility that you can gain a lot of profits by means of manipulation. Yes, whales are the biggest holders of bitcoin or altcoin in the market, so they can really affect for the market changes and we all know that the coins market price are proportional to the law of supply and demand, then therefore if the whales will sell or buy such massive quantity then it will reflect totally in markets supply and demand status and thus brings a big changes in price of the particular coin.
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April 26, 2018, 03:22:21 AM |
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I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?
If you can find out what the whales are doing then you have become a genius because whales are the ones who never lose out on this market because they have a good strategy to make money and nobody knows what's going to happen is that with just a slight sell, the market can fall off immediately and the whale will find ways to sell panic in the market.
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April 26, 2018, 07:10:03 AM |
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Big whales manipulate market and due to their strong control they can give a good value to the market and if they withdraw their currency from bitcoin to other coins then the market changes with their activities. If they sale their coins then the supply of the market will high and with this the price will fall down and if they start buying this currency then automatically the crypto prices will rise.
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April 26, 2018, 07:35:44 AM |
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Big whales manipulate market and due to their strong control they can give a good value to the market and if they withdraw their currency from bitcoin to other coins then the market changes with their activities. If they sale their coins then the supply of the market will high and with this the price will fall down and if they start buying this currency then automatically the crypto prices will rise.
Whales are the most factors for any market changes because they own a very large amount of coins, so they can easily dump and pump at any time and still they are are the one benefited after and usually small traders are very hard to gain profit because like whales they only eat small fish and we are the fish that usually whales gonna eat for their profit.
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April 26, 2018, 07:43:59 AM |
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I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?
If you can find out what the whales are doing then you have become a genius because whales are the ones who never lose out on this market because they have a good strategy to make money and nobody knows what's going to happen is that with just a slight sell, the market can fall off immediately and the whale will find ways to sell panic in the market. Since they are holding a huge quantity of coins so if they want to bring prices down when they start selling at a lower than market price in small quantities and if they continue this for a short while and automatically panic sellers will join them to bring down the market. But only these guys know that they are the one selling more so after they reach their target price then they will buy back at a lower price. Finally, panic sellers are the one will lose the money in this market.
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April 26, 2018, 07:58:33 AM |
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About 40% of all bitcoins belong to 1,000 users. 17.3% of the coins that have already been mined are controlled by top-100 BTC wallets.
Nice deductions in your post but do you have any statistical prove to your mathematical analysis? I understand quite alright that the whales can manipulate the market because it is their investment and they make huge amount of money from it. Hence, won't allow it to collapse or messed up.
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April 26, 2018, 09:04:23 AM |
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How exactly do these whales do this?
As the recent example in the last BItcoin rally to the 9,8K'ish many people are about going to long with leverage, and then the whales dumping the price 150 USD in 5 min. That's how whales kill small fish.
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April 26, 2018, 09:19:37 AM |
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The largest exchanges between BTS holders occur through personal exchange. This is already known to all. And price manipulation takes place by setting up a bot that moves the chart as you like to those rich uncles.
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April 26, 2018, 09:23:04 AM |
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In any market there are people that decide the directions of the trends and most of them are the big market players and those that has huge capital. These people are the whales and most time they do make they money from what the small traders lose.
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April 26, 2018, 09:36:39 AM |
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This whales have a lot of money and they use it to cause panic to those with weak hands. Whales can be a group or just 1 person with pooled money. They can also create a fake trend. Lets say they are holding an altcoin and they dumped it all causing a big red candle stick. Those with weak hands will panic and sell what ever they are holding causing the price to go down further. Then whales can buy again at low price.
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April 26, 2018, 09:43:08 AM |
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I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?
It is quite simple to understand. "Whales" are those who are rich enough to buy anything they want and somewhat famous. They can easiliy influence the public. Anything they say against or for crypto currency causes the price to jump up and down - a form of manipulation. Another form is indirectly purchasing a huge amount of coins in short period of time causing the price to surge up. This price rise makes people "panic buy" more of those coins and in the end the price starts to jump further above. This caused the initial investor (the whale who is manipulating the market) to dump all the coins and max out his profit. Causing the price to drop. Seeing the price drop other users starts to "panic sell" all their coins which further dumps the price. Thats where the whales again step in to repeat the inital process.
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April 26, 2018, 09:57:24 AM |
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Whales are the ones who can handle large amounts of money in the market. Their buying and selling volumes have a big impact on the Crypto market. So they bought the price for the altcoin price increase, after rising to the level whales are not afford to buy, they will sell in large quantities and prices begin to decline.
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