BTC Segwit Address not recognised by my Ledger Nano S Wallet

[RDH40]

Is there a way on your ledger to turn on/off segwit address usage?

Unless you tick the "remember my choice" option, the "Ledger Wallet Bitcoin" Chrome App asks on startup:



However, as it displayed a "3" type address (as proven by the posted photo)... the Ledger wallet should only have done this if the OP had selected "SegWit"... it's the only scenario in which you should get P2SH addresses from a Ledger wallet (even if you were using LTC prior to the change to "M" type addresses for LTC).

As things stand, I can only think of a few causes for this issue:

1. Previously unknown (but theoretically possible) malware that changed the "receive" address displayed by the older versions of the wallet. However, given that the 3.3 BTC has NOT been moved from that address, I'd guess that this is somewhat unlikely. Yes, I agree

2. It was actually an old LTC SegWit address using the "3" type addresses before Ledger upgraded. The screenshot says "BTC" but it might have been a graphical glitch in the older wallet... I can't confirm one way or the other as I can't get an old version of the wallet to test. If this is the case, it might be possible to use the solution provided by cryptonerddy. I tried this but nothing

3. Glitch with the derivation path used by the wallet. I've not seen another case of this before, but a lack of evidence does not disprove this theory.

4. The wallet that the address was generated from was NOT "Account 0"... but Account 1 or 2 etc. I'm unsure how likely this is... I believe the Ledger wallet shows an overview of ALL (used) accounts as the default dashboard... but still a possibility.

5. The wallet that the address was generated from was protected by BIP39 passphrase... OP claims they never used passphrase with this wallet (somewhat supported by the fact that they can see the BCH and LTC balances without needing to use a passprhase)

6. Something else... ? ? ?

It seems I'm doomed! Think we've run out of all possibilities!

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[cryptonerddy]

Do this
Download Electrum LTC on your PC
Open it, click new wallet> standard wallet> i have seed> put the right seed there> click next then your wallet will be created. go to the address tab and look for this address MCs8jJexAf8UhxC4KgRneSayAx6Aincbbz
right click and copy the private key.
go to liteaddress.org click on the wallet details tab> paste the private key there. now copy the hexadecimal key given at the bottom of the page.

go to bitaddress.org, also go to the wallet details tab and paste the hexadecimal key there, it should give you two addresses and two different keys. copy the compressed private key and go to segwitaddress.org, scroll down to the last tab and paste the key there, you'll find that it matches the address.

now import the key into electrum and your coins would show

here's my address, leave a big tip 19Q2fJ2qEfLXnYpQU7eqAGCeucK8NVapw6

Hi,

I tried this and it only shows my LTC transactions, nothing else. Also there is no option to 'go to the address tab' and look for any addresses.

Open electrum ltc, click on view and click show addresses, the address tab should pop up.

[davedee]

Hi, you still have this problem?

[Xynerise]

Hi, you still have this problem?

What about you?
I remember you opened a similar thread.
Is it solved now?

[davedee]

Unfortunately no, and at this point I'm willing to give out my seed to anyone if they promise to send half back if they can recover the coins. I feel it's better than letting the coins sit there.

[Xynerise]

Unfortunately no, and at this point I'm willing to give out my seed to anyone if they promise to send half back if they can recover the coins. I feel it's better than letting the coins sit there.

Not a good idea at all.
There's no guarantee that you'd ever get the coins if they manage to access it but IF you're going to toe that line then Dave of Wallet Recovery Services is generally trustworthy although his speciality seems to be in forgotten passwords for wallet.dat files.

[bob123]

Unfortunately no, and at this point I'm willing to give out my seed to anyone if they promise to send half back if they can recover the coins. I feel it's better than letting the coins sit there.

This is a bad idea. You might once find out what happend. Maybe something trivial.  
If you post it publicly here the chances are high you won't get anything (if it can be recovered at all).

Did you start a thread here with useful information regarding your problem? Mind giving me the link?

[davedee]

i have tried walletrecoveryservices and he couldn't solve it, so i guess i have nothing to loose.

[cryptonerddy]

@RHD40, i am still waiting for our reply , did you do exactly what i said? you should have recovered the coins by now, if not you can shoot me a PM.

[RDH40]

@RHD40, i am still waiting for our reply , did you do exactly what i said? you should have recovered the coins by now, if not you can shoot me a PM.

Hello,

I have tried literally everything but I am so frustrated that I have almost given up. Can not understand how my Ledger Nano S can now not recognise my BTC Segwit address where my coins are!

[cryptonerddy]

Don't give up, exhaust all possibilities. Did you follow the steps i told you to do?

[HCP]

Don't give up, exhaust all possibilities. Did you follow the steps i told you to do?

Just so you know...

I attempted your solution with Electrum-LTC on behalf of davedee to rule out a similar issue... However, the LTC "M" address matching the "3" address that davedee sent BTC funds to (found using this converter https://litecoin-project.github.io/p2sh-convert/), does not appear in the list of addresses generated in Electrum-LTC...

Another interesting point is that the seed mnemonic davedee has is actually recognised as a "SegWit" seed by Electrum... Even though it is supposedly a BIP39 seed generated by a Trezor??!?

This leads me to believe that, at least in davedee's case,  the seed they have written down is actually an Electrum seed... and not the actual seed from their Trezor that generated the "3".

[Thirdspace]

Another interesting point is that the seed mnemonic davedee has is actually recognised as a "SegWit" seed by Electrum... Even though it is supposedly a BIP39 seed generated by a Trezor??!?

This leads me to believe that, at least in davedee's case,  the seed they have written down is actually an Electrum seed... and not the actual seed from their Trezor that generated the "3".

To think about it, has he ever tried it directly on Electrum (BTC)? @RDH40 please try it on Electrum
I was trying some Electrum seeds from bitcoin quest on iancoleman BIP39 page but the page keeps saying invalid mnemonic
I was thinking maybe the same seed works on BIP39 and Electrum might actually derives different addresses if it was generated by Electrum

[HCP]

I was trying some Electrum seeds from bitcoin quest on iancoleman BIP39 page but the page keeps saying invalid mnemonic

This doesn't surprise me due to Electrum generating/converting mnemonics in a different way from BIP39. You can actually edit the IanColeman source code and get it to spit out the Electrum addresses from an Electrum mnemonic... I did it on an older version of the code, but I assume it won't have changed too much.

One of the key differences is that the BIP39 spec (and by extension IanColeman tool) uses a passphrase of "mnemonic" + yourpassphrase... whereas Electrum uses a passphrase of "electrum" + yourpassphrase.

I was thinking maybe the same seed works on BIP39 and Electrum might actually derives different addresses if it was generated by Electrum

So, yes... the same seed mnemonic (ie. "12 words") will definitely generate different addresses, as that mnemonic will actually be converted to differents seeds (ie. the actual number) by Ian Coleman Tool and Electrum.

This is why I always try to explicitly highlight the difference between a "seed" (actual number)... and a "seed mnemonic" (words).

[Thirdspace]

One of the key differences is that the BIP39 spec (and by extension IanColeman tool) uses a passphrase of "mnemonic" + yourpassphrase... whereas Electrum uses a passphrase of "electrum" + yourpassphrase.

thanks for the hint! I just need to modify 2 lines and it works with electrum "seed mnemonic"

do you think this would also be the case for RDH40's problem? did he ever say anything about pairing Ledger+Electrum?
his seed mnemonic might have been generated by electrum, which might also be a valid BIP39 Mnemonic phrase
so when he tried it on iancoleman's page it gives out the BIP39 version instead of Electrum version

[bob123]

do you think this would also be the case for RDH40's problem? did he ever say anything about pairing Ledger+Electrum?
his seed mnemonic might have been generated by electrum, which might also be a valid BIP39 Mnemonic phrase
so when he tried it on iancoleman's page it gives out the BIP39 version instead of Electrum version

Thats probably not the case.
OP mentioned the address has been generated by his ledger.

Regardless of whether you use the nano s with the chrome application or electrum, the device will still generate the seed/private keys itself.
Electrum is just a UI to access the nano s. Therefore the seed/keys generated by the nano s are always BIP39, regardless of which software is used to access the wallet.