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April 28, 2018, 07:51:16 AM
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This lawsuit will go absolutely nowhere. It's similar to the lawsuit against cigarettes for "killing people". At the end of the day, it's your choice to believe him and anyone even remotely educated on cryptocurrency would understand the difference between BTC and BCH
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April 28, 2018, 07:55:37 AM
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There was evidence for Roger Ver deliberately misleading people on his website "bitcoin.com".

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Source: https://twitter.com/Ragnarly/status/988535641070751744

There is data which might support a lawsuit, also things like this: https://twitter.com/moneytrigz/status/989263151622426624

From using bitpay which compares bitcoin transaction fees to bitcoin cash fees everytime a payment is made, it seems there is a coordinated and massive effort to convince people to embrace bitcoin cash over bitcoin core. I'm surprised this is a topic which isn't discussed more often as the bias in favor of bch appears to be very strong.

Also don't forget the numerous sock puppet accounts posting bitcoin cash propaganda on this forum. Other coins would also appear to have advertising bots.


Certainly can fool newbies that are new to bitcoin. Undecided
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April 28, 2018, 08:04:17 AM
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The way BCH is displayed as bitcoin in bitcoin.con is definitely misleading.He should be ashamed to do this and deserves for a lawsuit to be filled against him.

Is Bitcoin.con a typo or a subtle note that the guy behind the project might be a con man? If it's the latter, then well played!

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April 28, 2018, 10:05:13 AM
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This lawsuit will go absolutely nowhere. It's similar to the lawsuit against cigarettes for "killing people". At the end of the day, it's your choice to believe him and anyone even remotely educated on cryptocurrency would understand the difference between BTC and BCH

Most people entering the space for the first time would expect not to be deceived by one of the top ranking websites in one's search. That needs calling out and erasing.

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April 28, 2018, 10:13:43 AM
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people like Roger Ver need to be dealt with one way or another. they are like parasites that are here to only take advantage of every opportunity they find to fill their pockets with more money. they don't care about anything even the future of bitcoin despite what they pretend on the front.



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April 28, 2018, 10:19:05 AM
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This lawsuit will go absolutely nowhere. It's similar to the lawsuit against cigarettes for "killing people". At the end of the day, it's your choice to believe him and anyone even remotely educated on cryptocurrency wouldunderstand the difference between BTC and BCH

Even if the lawsuit "goes nowhere" it will create enough media attention to inform crypto masses that visiting bitcoin.com is more about Bitcoin Cash not Bitcoin and that downloading a wallet from bitcoin.com means you are downloading a Bitcoin Cash wallet.

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April 28, 2018, 10:21:15 AM
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people like Roger Ver need to be dealt with one way or another. they are like parasites that are here to only take advantage of every opportunity they find to fill their pockets with more money. they don't care about anything even the future of bitcoin despite what they pretend on the front.

Everytime it comes to the btc/bcc it is getting quickly soo emotional. BCC is a hard fork means it uses most of bitcoins code base. What is the real bitcoin is just a philosophic or marketing question. People talk about logos and names, instead of discussing the core problem of the bitcoin chain - scaling. At least BCC made a move by increasing the block size. I remember some core devs talking about this solution, saying "its too dangerous cause we have no long-time prove to increase block size".. We should be thankful that BCC is now a prove that increasing the block size doesnt harm the network.

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April 28, 2018, 10:34:27 AM
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This has been talked about on this forum. Roger Ver has been (supposedly) misleading newbies, making them believe that bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin:

A group of cryptocurrency enthusiasts is considering filing a lawsuit against Bitcoin.com owner Roger Ver, claiming he deliberately misleads novice investors by exploiting newbies’ confusion between bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash, which forked off the original cryptocurrency in August 2017.

The potential class-action lawsuit is being organized by Twitter user @MoneyTrigz, who is the co-owner of Coindaily.co.

The lawsuit is being discussed in a Telegram chatroom called “Bitcoin.com lawsuit/victims,” which anyone can join. The chatroom already has more than 444 members, but it’s unclear how many of them will join the lawsuit.

Ver (also known as “Bitcoin Jesus”) was an early investor in bitcoin startups. He previously backed the original Bitcoin, but has since become an outspoken advocate of its derivative, Bitcoin Cash.
Critics: Ver Is Committing ‘Consumer Fraud’

According to Wallet Investor, Ver is deliberately misusing the “bitcoin” name on his website Bitcoin.com — a hub that sells bitcoin and bitcoin cash — to fool gullible investors into buying the wrong bitcoin.

“Considering the site is named Bitcoin.com and is also a hub for selling Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, and Cloud mining contracts, this could potentially deceive novice investors and newcomers into buying the wrong Bitcoin.”

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In the lawsuit chatroom on Telegram, the consensus of cryptocurrency evangelists is that Ver is an unethical “scumbag” who deserves to be sued into oblivion.

One person wrote, “He can rot in hell for that. Will lose noobs’ money sending to wrong addresses. Hurting Bitcoin in the process.”

Another forum member wondered, “How is he allowed to get away with this?”

Still another person summed up the group’s collective sentiment, “I support this movement. Roger Ver is a scumbag.”


More info: https://btcmanager.com/bitcoin-jesus-roger-ver-may-be-sued-for-defrauding-bitcoin-investors/

What do you think about? If he is finally sued and fined and/or put in jail again, I am not going to cry.


I would love for this to happen, let's watch him lose some money for a change.
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April 28, 2018, 10:41:35 AM
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people like Roger Ver need to be dealt with one way or another. they are like parasites that are here to only take advantage of every opportunity they find to fill their pockets with more money. they don't care about anything even the future of bitcoin despite what they pretend on the front.

Everytime it comes to the btc/bcc it is getting quickly soo emotional. BCC is a hard fork means it uses most of bitcoins code base. What is the real bitcoin is just a philosophic or marketing question. People talk about logos and names, instead of discussing the core problem of the bitcoin chain - scaling. At least BCC made a move by increasing the block size. I remember some core devs talking about this solution, saying "its too dangerous cause we have no long-time prove to increase block size".. We should be thankful that BCC is now a prove that increasing the block size doesnt harm the network.

It is more than just a philosophic or a marketing but it is the truth and fact. We all already do discuss the scaling problem, and the result is Segregated Witness and the Lightning Network. The segwit adoption shows the fact, the problem is improved but not yet able to solve fully the problem. Then the lightning network solution is coming up and being developed.

I remember some core devs talking about this solution, saying "its too dangerous cause we have no long-time prove to increase block size".. We should be thankful that BCC is now a prove that increasing the block size doesnt harm the network.

But it is useless as said by pooya87.

with or without LN makes no matter, bitcoin cash is obsolete NOW and always. increasing the block size didn't make a difference. it just created an illusion of solving the scaling issue and that illusion seemed correct only because nobody was even using BCH and blocks only had a dozen transactions in them unlike bitcoin with ~2000 tx per block.
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April 28, 2018, 10:46:46 AM
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This has been talked about on this forum. Roger Ver has been (supposedly) misleading newbies, making them believe that bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin:

A group of cryptocurrency enthusiasts is considering filing a lawsuit against Bitcoin.com owner Roger Ver, claiming he deliberately misleads novice investors by exploiting newbies’ confusion between bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash, which forked off the original cryptocurrency in August 2017.

The potential class-action lawsuit is being organized by Twitter user @MoneyTrigz, who is the co-owner of Coindaily.co.

The lawsuit is being discussed in a Telegram chatroom called “Bitcoin.com lawsuit/victims,” which anyone can join. The chatroom already has more than 444 members, but it’s unclear how many of them will join the lawsuit.

Ver (also known as “Bitcoin Jesus”) was an early investor in bitcoin startups. He previously backed the original Bitcoin, but has since become an outspoken advocate of its derivative, Bitcoin Cash.
Critics: Ver Is Committing ‘Consumer Fraud’

According to Wallet Investor, Ver is deliberately misusing the “bitcoin” name on his website Bitcoin.com — a hub that sells bitcoin and bitcoin cash — to fool gullible investors into buying the wrong bitcoin.

“Considering the site is named Bitcoin.com and is also a hub for selling Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, and Cloud mining contracts, this could potentially deceive novice investors and newcomers into buying the wrong Bitcoin.”

....

In the lawsuit chatroom on Telegram, the consensus of cryptocurrency evangelists is that Ver is an unethical “scumbag” who deserves to be sued into oblivion.

One person wrote, “He can rot in hell for that. Will lose noobs’ money sending to wrong addresses. Hurting Bitcoin in the process.”

Another forum member wondered, “How is he allowed to get away with this?”

Still another person summed up the group’s collective sentiment, “I support this movement. Roger Ver is a scumbag.”


More info: https://btcmanager.com/bitcoin-jesus-roger-ver-may-be-sued-for-defrauding-bitcoin-investors/

What do you think about? If he is finally sued and fined and/or put in jail again, I am not going to cry.


The outcome of this case at the maximum would only be to compel him to stop the use of the name "bitcoin" and change the name of his website to bitcoin cash since that is what he believes in, there is no point creating confusion over what does not worth  it. Just like when the Bitcoin cash version of Electrum was created and was named Electrum, it was forced to change name and that settles all of it.

I think effort should be focused on getting the message out by to those newbies to understand the difference and be able to make a choice intelligently. Roger is only making use of the resources he has to change get the support he needs, rather than committing resources and publicity to bring him down more should be done on enlightenments.
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April 28, 2018, 11:01:51 AM
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Well Roger Ver actions are not very tolerable and the move against him is just right. But there will be a hard time for this group to make Roger Ver pay for his actions since the name of his coin has also a bitcoin in the beginning. I just hope that community who sued Roger Ver will succeed since if they will fail then in the future people will go into bitcoin cash instead of bitcoin.
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April 28, 2018, 11:18:11 AM
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people like Roger Ver need to be dealt with one way or another. they are like parasites that are here to only take advantage of every opportunity they find to fill their pockets with more money. they don't care about anything even the future of bitcoin despite what they pretend on the front.

Everytime it comes to the btc/bcc it is getting quickly soo emotional. BCC is a hard fork means it uses most of bitcoins code base. What is the real bitcoin is just a philosophic or marketing question.
it has nothing to do with either philosophy nor marketing. the chain with the most support is always going to be bitcoin.
and the problem is not about BCH being the fork, there are lots of forks of bitcoin from stand alone altcoins like LTC to other forked coins like BTG, and 20 others. the problem is that they are misleading people into buying BCash and call that shitcoin as bitcoin.

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People talk about logos and names, instead of discussing the core problem of the bitcoin chain - scaling. At least BCC made a move by increasing the block size.
no we are talking about a rejected scaling proposal that even after it was rejected some people like Roger Ver didn't accept defeat and went against the consensus mechanism and forked anyways.
the scaling is something that is being solved, it is not something that you solve one time. we have SegWit and 10 other things coming to bitcoin with addition of second layer solutions like Lightning network.

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not at all. what BCH is proving is that if you don't use up block space you can have any size you want. you can have 100000000000000000000000000000000 MB blocks as long as only 0.01-0.05 MB of each is filled with transactions.

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April 28, 2018, 11:54:47 AM
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Maybe it would be better to make a distinction between those for and against Bitcoin Cash with those that are against Roger Ver using bitcoin.com to allude that it is about Bitcoin when it is about Bitcoin Cash

No need for people to post about the virtues and benefits (if there are any) of BCH when this thread is about amongst many things whether Ver is fooling people in to believing going to bitcoin.com will give them bitcoin wallets when it gives them the option to download Bitcoin Cash wallets

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April 28, 2018, 01:09:42 PM
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This lawsuit will go absolutely nowhere. It's similar to the lawsuit against cigarettes for "killing people". At the end of the day, it's your choice to believe him and anyone even remotely educated on cryptocurrency would understand the difference between BTC and BCH

It has nothing in common with those kinds of lawsuits.
It's like you go and buy a menthol cigarette and they gave you a herbal one.
He is tricking people that bitcoin cash is bitcoin, this is a problem of wrong labeling and misleading your customers.

At least BCC made a move by increasing the block size. I remember some core devs talking about this solution, saying "its too dangerous cause we have no long-time prove to increase block size".. We should be thankful that BCC is now a prove that increasing the block size doesnt harm the network.

BCH has not proved anything. (BCC is Bitconnect, and we all know how that ended).
It doesn't ham their network because they only receive ~17k transactions per day, so actually although they have bigger possible blocks their average block size is 64.807 KB.

Let's see how they will deal with 8MB blocks, but fortunately for us, there are not enough morons in this world to use BCH.



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April 28, 2018, 01:25:02 PM
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No idea on how the sue progress does but there's only one thing that I'm sure of and we are the same OP, I'm not also going to cry.

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April 28, 2018, 01:44:23 PM
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Maybe it would be better to make a distinction between those for and against Bitcoin Cash with those that are against Roger Ver using bitcoin.com to allude that it is about Bitcoin when it is about Bitcoin Cash

No need for people to post about the virtues and benefits (if there are any) of BCH when this thread is about amongst many things whether Ver is fooling people in to believing going to bitcoin.com will give them bitcoin wallets when it gives them the option to download Bitcoin Cash wallets

Yes it's not about the specs, features or coin.
It's about Roger Ver trying to fool people (I almost want to use the word scam)
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April 28, 2018, 03:42:22 PM
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Maybe it would be better to make a distinction between those for and against Bitcoin Cash with those that are against Roger Ver using bitcoin.com to allude that it is about Bitcoin when it is about Bitcoin Cash

No need for people to post about the virtues and benefits (if there are any) of BCH when this thread is about amongst many things whether Ver is fooling people in to believing going to bitcoin.com will give them bitcoin wallets when it gives them the option to download Bitcoin Cash wallets

Yes it's not about the specs, features or coin.
It's about Roger Ver trying to fool people (I almost want to use the word scam)

Do you think there should be a fundraising BTC address where people can donate towards legal action against Ver forcing him to surrender the bitcoin.com domain?

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April 28, 2018, 04:04:17 PM
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I never knew about this. Interesting post.

Considering Ver gave up his US citizenship and passport, in which jurisdiction exactly would he be served court papers and effectively be sued and held to account? Ver lives in Saint Kitts and Nevis (a small island in the West Indies in the Caribbean ocean), he is a citizen there.
Damn, if he gave up his US citizenship than I think it would be very hard to file a lawsuit against him as it all depends now if where he is living now has extradition treaty with the US. Which given the name of the island you mentioned seems very unlikely. I think he knew before hand that there would come a time like this.

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I never knew about this. Interesting post.

Considering Ver gave up his US citizenship and passport, in which jurisdiction exactly would he be served court papers and effectively be sued and held to account? Ver lives in Saint Kitts and Nevis (a small island in the West Indies in the Caribbean ocean), he is a citizen there.
Damn, if he gave up his US citizenship than I think it would be very hard to file a lawsuit against him as it all depends now if where he is living now has extradition treaty with the US. Which given the name of the island you mentioned seems very unlikely. I think he knew before hand that there would come a time like this.

Extradition is something not being discussed here, not crime has been proven but there is nothing stopping Ver being sued regardless of where he resides.

The key has to be to get the bitcoin.com domain off him and for that to happen the "Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy" has to be raised at the WIPO (the World Intellectual Property Organisation). They can award domain name ownership to whichever party they deem should have it.

About potential lawsuits, any legal team in any city in the US can serve notice to Ver or anyone else regardless of where he/they live.

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April 28, 2018, 04:46:14 PM
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Lies has no long legs and it'll not last long, I'm bit surprised that it to long and now I hope he stops making such statements. I have seen a idiot crying to all members on a different forum Bch is real bitcoins. There have been so many who have fallen for this. Bitcoins is dancing all the way to top and I'm very happy for the community.

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