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November 22, 2013, 10:54:11 PM
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We all know that Apple has been hostile toward accepting bitcoin-related apps for use on their devices.  Last week, they gave Coinbase the axe.
 
But what would be the ramifications if Google also followed suit?  This would essentially be the end of mobile phone wallets, requiring people to use hardware like the Trezor or paper wallets if they wanted carry their coins around with them.  This would be a huge blow to the bitcoin economy, IMO.  Surely mobile phone wallets are probably the preferred storage method for people wanting to make in-person bitcoin payments...  Does anyone know what percentage of Bitcoin users rely on mobile phone wallets? 

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November 22, 2013, 10:56:15 PM
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Allow third-party apps to run in Android, download app to phone from website, install app. Problem solved.

ETA: I actually normally do this because Google Play is unreliable whenever I've used it (waits what seems like a completely random time to actually download the app, between immediately and 30m in some cases). It's much faster for me to grab the .apk off a site.

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November 22, 2013, 10:59:50 PM
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I wouldn't let any of my bitcoins touch my phone with a 40 foot pole, I imagine there are plenty like me too. At this point are situations when you would actually need access to bitcoins on your phone while on the go not clearly in the minority? If so, that kind of answers your question right?

Plus what Kludge already mentioned...

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November 22, 2013, 11:06:51 PM
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Allow third-party apps to run in Android, download app to phone from website, install app. Problem solved.

This^, jailbreak, and other mobile OS.

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November 22, 2013, 11:14:57 PM
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I was hoping for this thing to get some more attention
http://www.ubuntu.com/phone

That said, nobody should be trusted when it comes to cryptography. Nobody.
Independent peer reviews of open source is the only thing I would trust.

You should also be aware that mobile phones are dirty by design
http://www.osnews.com/story/27416/The_second_operating_system_hiding_in_every_mobile_phone
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November 22, 2013, 11:18:56 PM
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I won't let my coins touch windows
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November 22, 2013, 11:30:38 PM
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I won't let my coins touch windows

So what OS do you use? Mac?

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November 22, 2013, 11:30:48 PM
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I have a local wallet with a few mBTC on my phone.

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November 22, 2013, 11:36:18 PM
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What blow? I never use a mobile wallet or any other kind of Bitcoin apps in my smartphone.
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November 23, 2013, 01:35:36 AM
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We need a 100% open source phone that's repairable with standard case and screen sizes.
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November 23, 2013, 01:38:05 AM
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What blow? I never use a mobile wallet or any other kind of Bitcoin apps in my smartphone.

Have you ever spent coins in real life?  How exactly would you plan on paying for groceries with BTC?
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November 23, 2013, 01:41:07 AM
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We need a 100% open source phone that's repairable with standard case and screen sizes.

easy there buddy

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November 23, 2013, 02:16:07 AM
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We need a 100% open source phone that's repairable with standard case and screen sizes.

This?

https://phonebloks.com/

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November 23, 2013, 02:19:18 AM
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We need a 100% open source phone that's repairable with standard case and screen sizes.

This?

https://phonebloks.com/

I don't think so, read the reddit thread and the hackaday writeup, that particular implementation is doomed IMO

This is not some pseudoeconomic post-modern Libertarian cult, it's an un-led, crowd-sourced mega startup organized around mutual self-interest where problems, whether of the theoretical or purely practical variety, are treated as temporary and, ultimately, solvable.
Censorship of e-gold was easy. Censorship of Bitcoin will be… entertaining.
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November 23, 2013, 02:21:57 AM
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I wouldn't let any of my bitcoins touch my phone with a 40 foot pole, I imagine there are plenty like me too. At this point are situations when you would actually need access to bitcoins on your phone while on the go not clearly in the minority? If so, that kind of answers your question right?

Plus what Kludge already mentioned...

i wouldn't either. smartphones are easily lost and people eye them as targets to steal. the "convenience" is not worth it.
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November 23, 2013, 02:26:49 AM
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We need a 100% open source phone that's repairable with standard case and screen sizes.

This?

https://phonebloks.com/

Thanks for the link!
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November 23, 2013, 03:10:31 AM
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I won't let my coins touch windows

+1 Ok I do admit to backing up my wallet.dat encrypted and then encrypted again with Truecrypt on a Windows 3.1 computer (Pentium I) and also on a 286 running MS DOS

Now seriously DRM infected/locked devices and yes this includes an Android device that is not rooted do pose a very serious threat to Bitcoin. The only solutions for mobile I can see is a rooted Android device or a device running an Operating System that has GPL v3 code deep in the OS that it is impossible to use a locked bootloader without violating the copyright license. Ubuntu phone/mobile is the most promising here. The trouble with Android that is not rooted is that manufacturer can at any time disable the option of installing outside the Android market since they and not the owner control root.

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November 23, 2013, 03:27:27 AM
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I won't let my coins touch windows

+1 Ok I do admit to backing up my wallet.dat encrypted and then encrypted again with Truecrypt on a Windows 3.1 computer (Pentium I) and also on a 286 running MS DOS

Now seriously DRM infected/locked devices and yes this includes an Android device that is not rooted do pose a very serious threat to Bitcoin. The only solutions for mobile I can see is a rooted Android device or a device running an Operating System that has GPL v3 code deep in the OS that it is impossible to use a locked bootloader without violating the copyright license. Ubuntu phone/mobile is the most promising here. The trouble with Android that is not rooted is that manufacturer can at any time disable the option of installing outside the Android market since they and not the owner control root.
Do any companies actually prohibit installing software outside the buggy Play store? (asked in earnest -- I honestly have no idea)

Don't mix your coins someone said isn't legal
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November 23, 2013, 03:30:37 AM
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I thought this thread was going to be about Google Wallet.

Night gathers, and now my bitcoinwisdom watch begins.
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November 23, 2013, 03:51:24 AM
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We all know that Apple has been hostile toward accepting bitcoin-related apps for use on their devices.  Last week, they gave Coinbase the axe.

The Blockchain app on iOS still works really well, no axing going on there Smiley

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