DIY FPGA Mining rig for any algorithm with fast ROI

[penfold1251]

Oh please spare me.

I’ve been tracking and renting these VU09P FPGAs ever since Amazon AWS had them for rental. They are currently renting for approximately $0.50/hr (f1.2xlarge -> 1 FPGA) and $4.00/hr (f1.16xlarge -> 8 FPGAs). So far, it hasn’t made any sense to actually purchase one vs renting for what I use them for.

But if someone had an FPGA bitstream which made renting these FPGAs less desirable, then purchasing would be preferred.

By the way, requesting evidence even something as trivial as a screenshot, doesn’t imply that someone is lying.   

Would you mind enabling PMs from newbies, or sending me a PM? Have a question about that for you. :-)

[HardwareCollector]

@ penfold1251
Sorry about that, the option to allow newbies to send PMs to me has been enabled.

@ nsummy
Yes, waiting until the end of May is the preferred option if no other form of evidence can be provided.

@ whitefire990
Have you considered using the AWS Marketplace to sell your FPGA bitstreams on an hourly per instance basis? Doing so would enable anyone to run them without any large upfront cost; your 4% fee is guaranteed and cannot be bypassed.

[netmonk]

I dont know for whole Europe, but i contacted Bittware, which redirected me to their partner for France/Spain/Portugal/Luxembourg/Belgium.

This partner was quite surprised by the low price in USD of the Bittware card.

What he tolds me, is that the bittware card is a very professionnal one, with full support and warranty, used in several industry such as Financial (hft) or Telco (datacenter).
It seems also there isnt any "free" sdk for developping and installing bitstream on this kind of board.

Usual time of delivery is 6 weeks. Groupbuy is possible, with lower price for volume.
There isnt any MOQ.

[netmonk]

@ penfold1251
Sorry about that, the option to allow newbies to send PMs to me has been enabled.

@ nsummy
Yes, waiting until the end of May is the preferred option if no other form of evidence can be provided.

@ whitefire990
Have you considered using the AWS Marketplace to sell your FPGA bitstreams on an hourly per instance basis? Doing so would enable anyone to run them without any large upfront cost; your 4% fee is guaranteed and cannot be bypassed.

And this way we can get accustomed with tool/environment.

[Iamtutut]

I dont know for whole Europe, but i contacted Bittware, which redirected me to their partner for France/Spain/Portugal/Luxembourg/Belgium.

This partner was quite surprised by the low price in USD of the Bittware card.

What he tolds me, is that the bittware card is a very professionnal one, with full support and warranty, used in several industry such as Financial (hft) or Telco (datacenter).
It seems also there isnt any "free" sdk for developping and installing bitstream on this kind of board.

Usual time of delivery is 6 weeks. Groupbuy is possible, with lower price for volume.
There isnt any MOQ.

Is there any idea of the price VAT included ?

[tbearhere]

If you can show us the screenshots of your miner hashing at these rates, then I will pull the trigger and place an order for eight of these units.

For $35,000 why not fly out and meet, see it for yourself, or something of that nature?

Because he doesn't have that much money to spend on these to begin with.  No one demands proof and then spends that kind of dough by simply seeing a screenshot.  The heavy hitters already know what sort of capabilities are out there.

Oh please spare me.

I’ve been tracking and renting these VU09P FPGAs ever since Amazon AWS had them for rental. They are currently renting for approximately $0.50/hr (f1.2xlarge -> 1 FPGA) and $4.00/hr (f1.16xlarge -> 8 FPGAs). So far, it hasn’t made any sense to actually purchase one vs renting for what I use them for.

But if someone had an FPGA bitstream which made renting these FPGAs less desirable, then purchasing would be preferred.

By the way, requesting evidence even something as trivial as a screenshot, doesn’t imply that someone is lying.   

How do you rent the Amazon AWS FPGA's for mining?
Do I need to be able to code?   thx 

[ruplikminer]

More details on where to get hand on these cards?

Just check on teh first post. You have to contact one of the 2 companies that sells those cards by email

[ruplikminer]

Actually I already ordered some of these boards. I should get them by the end of May ready to test. So if you want to wait for a guinea pig here I am.

[jamesgalb]

I have messaged OP about flying out and seeing a working demonstration.  I would need to confirm it working before spending thousands of dollars on something brand new.

I hope he responds.  I could fly to wherever he is as soon as early next week.

[saint78]

Actually I already ordered some of these boards. I should get them by the end of May ready to test. So if you want to wait for a guinea pig here I am.

What was the lead time on your order? And where did you order from if you dont mind

[crypto4pizza]

Actually I already ordered some of these boards. I should get them by the end of May ready to test. So if you want to wait for a guinea pig here I am.

What was the lead time on your order? And where did you order from if you dont mind

Check first post.  I spoke with Avent and their lead time is 4-8 weeks currently.

I am still waiting to hear back from Bittware

[Wananavu99]

Thanks brother, glad I finally found your thread.  Looking forward to more developments

[Wananavu99]

 The intro price (at Avnet) on the VCU1525 is $3995 USD, but it will be going up to around $5K in July.  The Bittware XUPP3R-VU9P crypto version is $5895 USD, and has two advantages over the VCU1525: (1) it has four QSFP28 100G ports so you can daisy chain 4 FPGA's together to mine Xevan at 162MH/s, and (2) it has flexible memory options, so you can install either DDR4 or QDRII+ SRAM; the QDR memory gives way faster hash rates on Equihash vs. DDR4.   I've been in communication with many members of this forum who are already organizing a group buy.

this difference between the vcu1525 and the XUPP3R-VU9P is mainly the better memory option. how much of a difference is this expected to be?

im am so down with this project, i love the fact i can just drop it into my onda board with no mods.. the "just anther videocard" format has me hooked.

Could't we open a telegram/discord for this? there is so much to ask, answer and share...

Let me know if there are at least 3/4 ppl interested i would be in

Yeah sure count me in!

[HardwareCollector]

How do you rent the Amazon AWS FPGA's for mining?
Do I need to be able to code?   thx 

@tbearhere

If you have an AWS account, you will need to open a support ticket and request an EC2 limit increase for the (FPGA) instance type that you want to use. Once Amazon approves your request, from then on, you can request a Spot Instance and select the F1 (AWS region specific) instance just like with any other instance type.

If you can program a GPU with OpenCL, then you can use Xilinx SDAccel to write programs that target the XCVU9P-L2FSGD2104E FPGA.

Here is the best place to begin:
https://github.com/Xilinx/SDAccel_Examples

[whitefire990]

I'm extremely busy trying to hit the May 30 launch date so I don't have a great deal of time to follow this thread, and I have so many PM's I can't possibly read/respond to them all.  However I did glance at some of the common questions and I thought I would give some short answers:

- I've been contacted by many big farm owners and so on, and for them as well as anyone who is hesitant, please just wait for proof.  The only real proof will come when guinea pigs like Ruplikminer get their hardware in the end of May and start hashing and reporting back.  Don't worry about a shortage of cards; Xilinx and Bittware are preparing for high volumes
- Of course I considered renting Amazon AWS F1 (VU9P) FPGA instances and mining with them since you can make 4x more than the rental cost of the FPGA.  However by all accounts Amazon has some sort of watchdog software and if it catches you mining, your instances gets shut down.  Most people report being shut down within 8 hours if they try renting FPGA's with Amazon and mining with them
- I'm trying to help the crypto community move forward and as such I'm happy to help as many other FPGA developers as possible.  Digitalcruncher came very close to my Keccak hash rate with 24 Keccak instances @ 550MHz.  What most people might forget is you don't need to calculate the full 256-bit hash in the FPGA.  All you need is the top 48-bits to see if it is less than the target, pass the winning nonce back to the PC and the PC will regenerate the full hash using the nonce.  So start with the 48-bit hash fragment you are interested in, and propagate backwards to eliminate calculations; this eliminates most of the final round of the algorithm, and the same optimization applied to the 1st round yields similar benefits.  Then, for S-boxes always use compressed combinational logic forms that have been published, and try running them through an Espresso logic minimizer like Logic Friday, which can sit there for 2 days optimizing your S-box (vs. Vivado which will not spend more than a few minutes trying to optimize it during synthesis)
- USB data transfer rate is 12MBaud so it is fine to use USB2 ports.  Technically you can have way more than 8 FPGA cards on a single PC, with lots of PCIe-USB adapter cards; eventually the load on the CPU and RAM will become high, so for a 16-card rig with two power supplies, a heavier duty CPU and RAM might be necessary and I can't vouch for the stability of such a big rig
- I hear Avnet only ships to North America.  The VCU1525 is available from Digikey for around $4500 USD and they ship internationally.  Bittware is really the best of the companies and is the only company that will actually help you configure (or even pre-configure) your card and if you have problems they will help you 1-on-1 because they are a smaller company and they will be mining with some of their own FPGA's (and Bittware will ship internationally no problem).  Plus the Bittware card can do Xevan and Equihash better than the VCU1525.
- All stratum communication is done by the PC with a fork of tpruvot's CPU miner which has been adapted to communicate with the FPGA's.  The PC-side code is a messy hack right now, so I have enlisted a good friend in Spain to help clean it up for the launch and make it more user friendly and resilient.  I have been contacted by three super-expert FPGA programmers and after the initial algorithms are launched I hope to make it more of a group effort to get the remaining algorithms implemented faster with their help, so if I were to die/disappear the project would continue
- You can calculate how many FPGA's each coin can handle before miners overwhelm the coin and profits drop.  You have around 2.9 BTC of daily rewards available on Keccak and over 20 BTC of daily rewards available on Phi1612, enough to support many hundreds of FPGA's, however as more algorithms are released, we will start hitting the huge coins and I don't foresee a dramatic and sudden profit drop as usually happens with ASICs
- It takes 40 seconds to switch the FPGA from one algorithm to another using Xilinx Vivado Lab Edition; this can be done remotely if you live away from your farm, but it is not automatic like for GPU's
- It is possible by using data from initial algorithms to project the hashrate within +/-10% for future algorithms, and in that light the expected rates (per card) are about 300MH/s for X17 & X16R, 25MH/s for Neoscrypt, 600MH/s for Lyra2v2; 150MH/s for Xevan (Bittware card only for Xevan!).  For Equihash it is much harder to calculate the projected hash rate.  I don't think Ethash would be profitable enough to be worth it.  Those numbers are just projections though, and their profits are in the same range as the initial algorithms being released, with X16R and Xevan looking the best at around $75/day
- X17 and X16R require two FPGA cards daisy chained together with 2 x 100G ethernet cables, one FPGA does half the function, the other FPGA does the other half
- Xevan requires FOUR FPGA cards daisy chained together with 6 x 100G ethernet cables; this is only possible with the Bittware card
- The QDRII+ SRAM modules for the Bittware board are very expensive: $2250 for one 76MB module, four modules max per board (288MB max).  This is the way to do Equihash but I have not yet been able to calculate if the price of the memory is worth it for the increased hash rate

Stay tuned for the end of the month launch and I hope that answers most of the important questions.

[saint78]

With x16r and x17 requiring 2 cards would that be 300mh/s for both cards? Or 300 each equalling 600mh for two cards daisy chained together?

[Way2Paradise]

Who's organizing the group buy?

I was going to organize it. I am in contact with Jason. The things are:

1) There is no discount for group buy

2) They ONLY ships to the USA

sad to read that you ships only to the usa.

anyone from europe plans a group buy for this fpga?

[whitefire990]

With x16r and x17 requiring 2 cards would that be 300mh/s for both cards? Or 300 each equalling 600mh for two cards daisy chained together?

Clarifying the projected hash rates
X17: 2 cards daisy chained get 600MH/s total
X16R: 2 cards daisy chained get 600MH/s total
Xevan: 4 Bittware cards daisy chained get 600MH/s total

[coinut]

With x16r and x17 requiring 2 cards would that be 300mh/s for both cards? Or 300 each equalling 600mh for two cards daisy chained together?

Clarifying the projected hash rates
X17: 2 cards daisy chained get 600MH/s total
X16R: 2 cards daisy chained get 600MH/s total
Xevan: 4 Bittware cards daisy chained get 600MH/s total

so I'm guessing that the VCU1525 can be daisy chained to two cards max hence being able to hash on X17 and X16R?

[Riptide_NVN]

I admit that I'm afraid of this device.  I just set my rig up late December before the peak and the crash.

The last thing I want to do is see this come out and totally annihilate GPU mining.  And that is exactly what it has the potential to do.  Profitability for everything else will be completely destroyed and we'll be stuck fire selling everything we have in the hope we can get in line to acquire this hardware and software.  That is if the promises of being able to actually obtain this in the first place without large farms buying up everything and dominating are true.

That metroid kid may be right.  This could be the end of GPU mining.