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November 26, 2013, 08:19:00 AM
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I wonder what will happen when BTC will be around 1000USD.

Will the adoption of BTC continue? or will it be halted and people will start buying altcoins because they are basically the same and they are much cheaper.

Isn't it possible that instead of 100000USD worth of BTC, we will  remain in current price and we will have dozens of altcoins valued 100-1000USD each?

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November 26, 2013, 08:19:59 AM
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You need to go to do SERIOUS research and then come back and start trading.
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November 26, 2013, 08:44:47 AM
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You need to go to do SERIOUS research and then come back and start trading.

Thank you for letting me know how much smarter you are than me. your answer was really helpful. I am lucky you saw my post.
So I assume you don't think this will happen. If you write here, why can't you just explain why this ain't possible?

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November 26, 2013, 09:06:49 AM
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It is all about growth and not about price...

Bitcoin can be divided into really small "cents", a person doesn't need to hold and trade a whole bitcoin, he can buy and trade with parts of it.
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November 26, 2013, 09:07:34 AM
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I wonder what will happen when BTC will be around 1000USD.

Will the adoption of BTC continue? or will it be halted and people will start buying altcoins because they are basically the same and they are much cheaper.

Isn't it possible that instead of 100000USD worth of BTC, we will  remain in current price and we will have dozens of altcoins valued 100-1000USD each?

You need to go to do SERIOUS research and then come back and start trading.

Thank you for letting me know how much smarter you are than me. your answer was really helpful. I am lucky you saw my post.
So I assume you don't think this will happen. If you write here, why can't you just explain why this ain't possible?

you'll have to excuse him, the OP does seem rather misinformed. but maybe i can help you out.

what reason do you have to believe that this scenario is likely? there is one large difference between bitcoin and the altcoins, and that is that bitcoin, at this point, has far more inertia both in its existing infrastructure (its utility) and its memetic exposure (its ubiquity). due to this, the fact that they are basically the same is a terrible weakness for altcoins. it is my belief that unless a similar protocol with significantly greater utility is developed (say, in response to a 'fatal flaw' that emerges from the interaction between the Bitcoin Protocol and its actual incidence in the world), bitcoin will remain the primary altcoin in terms of market cap.

it seems almost ludicrous to suggest that suddenly capital will flow from anywhere into altcoins, and that capital will cease flowing into bitcoin, at the price-point of $1000 BTCUSD.

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November 26, 2013, 09:23:01 AM
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You need to go to do SERIOUS research and then come back and start trading.

Thank you for letting me know how much smarter you are than me. your answer was really helpful. I am lucky you saw my post.
So I assume you don't think this will happen. If you write here, why can't you just explain why this ain't possible?



I dont see him being cruel to you. If you value yourself, then why dont you educate yourself? rather than having spoonfed all the time.

You cant just whip up 5 yrs of computation and call your altcoin the same.

Did you even think it throughly?

Lets assume ppl are as stupid as you said and think altcoin is just "the same" what makes them buying altcoins when another coins will come out later?

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November 26, 2013, 09:50:40 AM
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you'll have to excuse him, the OP does seem rather misinformed. but maybe i can help you out.

what reason do you have to believe that this scenario is likely? there is one large difference between bitcoin and the altcoins, and that is that bitcoin, at this point, has far more inertia both in its existing infrastructure (its utility) and its memetic exposure (its ubiquity). due to this, the fact that they are basically the same is a terrible weakness for altcoins. it is my belief that unless a similar protocol with significantly greater utility is developed (say, in response to a 'fatal flaw' that emerges from the interaction between the Bitcoin Protocol and its actual incidence in the world), bitcoin will remain the primary altcoin in terms of market cap.

it seems almost ludicrous to suggest that suddenly capital will flow from anywhere into altcoins, and that capital will cease flowing into bitcoin, at the price-point of $1000 BTCUSD.

--arepo

It is all about growth and not about price...

Bitcoin can be divided into really small "cents", a person doesn't need to hold and trade a whole bitcoin, he can buy and trade with parts of it.



I should have explained myself sorry. I believe that only a small fraction of the people invested in BTC truly grasp the revolutionary idea of it and
only people like us, lurking around in this form and doing research really grasp the economic significance of it.
The majority of people who buy it just buy it because it goes up and they want to be rich. They don't know shit about the price being irrelevant, the diversification ability and that the banks screw us up and we need to fight them.
What matters is what the majority thinks, and I think that people might say that BTC is too high now, we missed that train, lets buy some LTC because it is still cheap, and when LTC is high also they move on to the next altcoin and so on.
People might think that it is better to buy 100 LTC instead of 1 BTC because 100>1.


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November 26, 2013, 09:53:20 AM
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Lets assume ppl are as stupid as you said and think altcoin is just "the same" what makes them buying altcoins when another coins will come out later?



I really don't know... maybe they want to buy LTC at 10USD and sell it 10 time higher. For most people this is only a get rich schem IMHO.
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November 26, 2013, 10:15:46 AM
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Isn't it possible that instead of 100000USD worth of BTC, we will  remain in current price and we will have dozens of altcoins valued 100-1000USD each?

Only if people and merchants actually use altcoins, but I doubt altcoins have good future, there are many already and even more will be created as time goes.
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November 26, 2013, 02:47:42 PM
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Isn't it possible that instead of 100000USD worth of BTC, we will  remain in current price and we will have dozens of altcoins valued 100-1000USD each?

Only if people and merchants actually use altcoins, but I doubt altcoins have good future, there are many already and even more will be created as time goes.

well LTC is now 14USD. Doesn't it bother you at all?


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November 26, 2013, 03:17:39 PM
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There are loads of copycat fiat currencies, why can't there be lots of copycat crypto currencies?
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November 26, 2013, 04:11:41 PM
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There are loads of copycat fiat currencies, why can't there be lots of copycat crypto currencies?

I didn't say it can't be. I just want to understand if I should buy also altcoins or should I stick with BTC. just wanted some opinions on this subject.
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November 26, 2013, 04:15:54 PM
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One word.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

Ok I lied it is two words.

That being said I do think either
a) other alternatives will eat into Bitcoins "marketshare"
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b) Bitcoin will be replaced by something vastly superior.

Most of the lets change a couple variables and call it an alternative will die out though.  They will never gain a sufficiently sized network to be anything of real value (>$1B in money supply or >$10B in annual transaction volume).
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November 26, 2013, 04:17:09 PM
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You question, in other terms, sounds exactly like "Wont' people start buying lead and copper once gold hits $1000/ounce?". I.e., totally silly. Much of the value of bitcoin is not in the algorithm, but in specifically manufactured hashing devices network and reputation and a crowd of followers and businesses and established professional developers team, and the name that is a brand in itself, with all the media coverage, etc. ShitCoins don't have any of that.

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November 26, 2013, 04:43:52 PM
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You question, in other terms, sounds exactly like "Wont' people start buying lead and copper once gold hits $1000/ounce?". I.e., totally silly. Much of the value of bitcoin is not in the algorithm, but in specifically manufactured hashing devices network and reputation and a crowd of followers and businesses and established professional developers team, and the name that is a brand in itself, with all the media coverage, etc. ShitCoins don't have any of that.

So you don't have any altcoins?
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November 26, 2013, 04:51:47 PM
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So you don't have any altcoins?

No, I find that pointless. I use them to speculate sometimes, but prefer to exit into bitcoins after that. See, if something bad happens to bitcoin, all the altcoins would lose value even quicker. The only altcoin worth holding could be an altcoin which provides some additional functionality, like NMC (should have been), others have traction purely because of the need for old GPUs to mine something since they can't compete with asics anymore.

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November 26, 2013, 04:58:41 PM
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I think this should be the future of virtual currencies. At a technical level it is not difficult to develop a wallet that connects to numerous virtual currencies. Then your wealth will be expressed in terms of the altcoin index. I think the rise of altcoins will (to some extent) dilute the value of bitcoin and solve its deflation problem. I think the next big move in the cryptocurrencies space is that the market will rebalance the value of bitcoin with respect to the altcoins.
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November 26, 2013, 04:59:57 PM
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I wonder what will happen when BTC will be around 1000USD.

Will the adoption of BTC continue? or will it be halted and people will start buying altcoins because they are basically the same and they are much cheaper.

Isn't it possible that instead of 100000USD worth of BTC, we will  remain in current price and we will have dozens of altcoins valued 100-1000USD each?



This is my take on it.

The adoption of BTC will continue and the adoption of alt-coins will continue and some of them will have greater price increases than bitcoin.

Established alt-coins have been mostly moving with the price of bitcoin. Actually many alt-coins have been increasing in their price ratio against bitcoin.  Bitcoin will still be priced the highest.

I think with the higher bit-coin price, more people will get into alt coins. mostly for the simple fact that the price swings will be greater in alt-coins. I think the price of these coins are mostly based on speculation, lets face it nobody needs any of them at this point but they are great to speculate with.

The big factor that you have not brought up is if bitcoin splits into mbtc or something, so that a 1000 dollar bitcoin is now a 1usd mbtc. This would be the smart thing for bitcoin to do in my opinion.




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November 26, 2013, 05:03:53 PM
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Bitcoin was a big leap in monetary technology. The altcoins are just variations or minor improvements on that new technology. Bitcoin will be the most popular for years to come for the same reasons that the majority of the world's Christians are Catholics as opposed to one of those alt-Christian denominations. With societial technologies, it's hard to shift the momentum from the first application (Catholicism or Bitcoin) because people are far more likely to be exposed to it.
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November 26, 2013, 05:25:11 PM
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The big factor that you have not brought up is if bitcoin splits into mbtc or something, so that a 1000 dollar bitcoin is now a 1usd mbtc. This would be the smart thing for bitcoin to do in my opinion.


My thoughts exactly.
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