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May 02, 2018, 05:28:34 PM
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Originally I was just going through altcoin section and noticed an account sent a lot of merits to announcement threads as a merit source, which I reported in this thread.  Further look of his post history, now this account turned out to be even worse as a bounty manager embezzling tokens worth $4000 by cheating his post count, which forced me to open this thread...  

Anon11073 is the bounty manager of "cosplay token" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2843223.0
and participating his own signature campaign, whose rules look like standard ones:

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  • Signature campaign: $30,000(at COT) 30%
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  • At least ten posts are required per week by the end of ICO.
  • Only posts other than Cosplay Token related threads will be counted.
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  • Posts with the following topics are not counted. Marketplace, Off-topic, Archival, Marketplace (Altcoins)
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When checking his post history, I found that 90% of his posts remain in the bounty thread during the campaign.  He posted info on "Current participants" for the campaign multiple times a day.  The following quotes are examples.  I am not snipping his posts, these are the whole part of his posts.  Almost the same posts, not sure if it is necessary to post them...  

Cosplay Token Info


Current participants
Signature campaign: 17/250
Article/Media campaign: 250/250
Twitter campaign: 261/300
Facebook campaign: 148/150
Telegram campaign: 305/1500


Cosplay Token Info


Current participants
Signature campaign: 17/250
Article/Media campaign: 250/250
Twitter campaign: 261/300
Facebook campaign: 148/150
Telegram campaign: 305/1500


Of course these posts are in the bounty thread, and should not be counted for signature campaign.  However, the thing is that, it turned out that he counted these posts as signature stakes and continued it for 4 weeks.  I checked his 120 posts during 4 weeks and if one follows the rule above, his post count is actually 3, 3, 6, 3 for each of 4 weeks, none of which satisfies the minimum requirement of 10 posts per week, since most of his posts remain in the bounty thread.  

At the end of the day, the spreadsheet of the bounty thread shows that he got 12 stakes in total for 4 weeks, which is 13% of the total stakes in signature campaign.  Since tokens worth $30,000 is allocated for the signature campaign, he earned tokens worth $4000.

One thing is that in principle he could have 10 posts at the deadline of each week and then part of them were deleted after that for some reason.  It could happen but I doubt if it could happen for successive 4 weeks...  If it is the case, 24 posts should have been deleted, which implies his posts did not satisfy the requirement of "constructive posts" anyway.

Another thing is that I am not sure if the forum has unofficial allowed culture for bounty manager to count his stakes in an exceptional way...  At least it is not the case for several bounty managers I checked:  Some of them counted correctly, some of them only wear the avatar and didn't count their stakes, and others were not participating their own campaigns.  

So in general, are posts by a bounty manager exception of the counting rule for the signature campaign he is managing?  If the answer is no and it should be counted as usual, Anon11073 is cheating his stakes and stealing $4000...
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May 02, 2018, 05:47:00 PM
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Again! another accusation!!!
I am interested to see this time what will be his explanations. Last time I bought his story but could not agree with his merit abusing excuses. I will keep my eyes open for this topic.


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May 02, 2018, 06:05:46 PM
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This should be in scam accusations, not meta. That being said, I'd definitely go ahead and contact whoever he is running the campaign for, I'm sure they would like to know.
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May 02, 2018, 06:21:10 PM
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I thought that he was removed as Merit Source and Staff  because of your thread.

I just saw that merit sources were reduced from 80 to 79 (I thought that might be he was removed).

Theymos need to intervene, I think staff and bounty manager are two conflicting position.

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May 02, 2018, 06:39:14 PM
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I just saw that merit sources were reduced from 80 to 79 (I thought that might be he was removed).

As per my knowledge it's not him, it's another member who was removed. I do not want to mention his username for some reason.

This should be in scam accusations, not meta. That being said, I'd definitely go ahead and contact whoever he is running the campaign for, I'm sure they would like to know.

I was also having a thought that this is not something for Meta board but I was not really sure about the appropriate board for this. Seems like scam accusations is the board for this topic. I hope OP move this to scam accusations board.

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May 02, 2018, 07:11:29 PM
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I just saw that merit sources were reduced from 80 to 79 (I thought that might be he was removed).

Theymos need to intervene, I think staff and bounty manager are two conflicting position.
I think that might have been digaran, who said he resigned as a merit source.

None of this is surprising to me, and people who are allowed to just keep doing what they're doing after they apologize will continue doing it.  I'll be interested to hear what Anon11073 has to say about this, assuming he stops by this thread.

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May 02, 2018, 07:17:21 PM
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This should be in scam accusations, not meta.
If it's about a Staff member, I think it belongs in Meta. But in that case the topic title should be more clear.
My suggestion: "Bounty manager (Staff!) embezzling $4000".

I just saw that merit sources were reduced from 80 to 79 (I thought that might be he was removed).
I think that might have been digaran, who said he resigned as a merit source.
Correct:
As of this moment I'm no longer a merit source.  there was too much drama and clearly I wasn't trustworthy enough. I was unfit to represent this forum and the community. I have resigned.

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May 02, 2018, 07:50:22 PM
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It is theymos choice.
I will talk in general not only about this topic : the Japanese users have the right to receive smerit like any other local sub users that's why they have 4? merit sources!
4? merit sources to reward users writing posts with 0/10 quality?
While reading, the excuse is that since we don't have good quality posts and we need to spend smerit, let's reward posts with poor quality??
Yeah, let's boost mediocrity...
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Where did I wrote my size=1 comment weeks ago on the nomination day...
Should I blame others in the future doing unethical things? Conflict of interest they said...that's disgusting.

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May 02, 2018, 08:03:56 PM
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@InvoKing: Seems like you have done some research about this Japanese board. I assume your numbers are correct. I have noticed more merit abusing on the local boards than the regular boards, it's the feeling I get. I have investigated 16 merit abusing cases where I found over 60+ abusers and red tagged those users so I guess my feeling is based on experience. It contains some weight, not just a feeling I got out of the thin air.

I am still awaiting for Anon11073 to see his statement against this acquisition.

My suggestion: "Bounty manager (Staff!) embezzling $4000".
I do think the same like you. May be the title needs a bit of tweaks.

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May 02, 2018, 09:44:27 PM
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This ICO is an registered HK business, and they may press charges, since that's their promised prizes or other benefits for participants of promotional campaign were obtained by a fraudster with the use of deceit. Technically it shall count as theft and/or fraud in HK. I would recommend contacting their ICO CEO and their Legal Advisor to report that incident. Also, their reaction will tell a lot about the status and position of that person in their ranks.

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May 03, 2018, 12:44:24 AM
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So no one thinks that there is an exceptional counting culture of bounty manager's stakes to justify his counting?  Then this seems a scam.  Last time, his excuse for the 30 source merit abuse were very poor and never satisfactory, and this time there should be no room to excuse this scam in any way.  


I just saw that merit sources were reduced from 80 to 79 (I thought that might be he was removed).
I think that might have been digaran, who said he resigned as a merit source.
Correct:
As of this moment I'm no longer a merit source.  there was too much drama and clearly I wasn't trustworthy enough. I was unfit to represent this forum and the community. I have resigned.
I thought it was Anon11073 who was resigned, but he is still a merit source!  Anyway I think now he should go away from the forum...


My suggestion: "Bounty manager (Staff!) embezzling $4000".
I do think the same like you. May be the title needs a bit of tweaks.
Thanks for suggestion, I edited the title.  Eventually I may need to include his username explicitly to avoid further scam victims.  


This ICO is an registered HK business, and they may press charges, since that's their promised prizes or other benefits for participants of promotional campaign were obtained by a fraudster with the use of deceit. Technically it shall count as theft and/or fraud in HK. I would recommend contacting their ICO CEO and their Legal Advisor to report that incident. Also, their reaction will tell a lot about the status and position of that person in their ranks.
Great, I am still new to this field and not familiar with how to deal with this kind of accusation, can you tell me how things go in this case?  Maybe we should post the link to this thread in the original announcement thread of this token? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2821548.msg28898257#msg28898257
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May 03, 2018, 12:50:51 AM
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I thought that he was removed as Merit Source and Staff  because of your thread.
He is still staff.
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May 03, 2018, 04:06:55 AM
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You said that he/she has posted 120 posts in 4 weeks? each participant were required to post 10 times per week, if he has 120 posts then he'd participated As 3 members. is there any mention of bounty manager decision to be the final decision? if yes then it has been at his own discretion to allow himself to take part as 3 members. moreover if Cosplay founder gave the manager permission to decide everything, it wouldn't be embezzlement.

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May 03, 2018, 09:31:33 AM
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Thanks for suggestion, I edited the title.  Eventually I may need to include his username explicitly to avoid further scam victims.
LoyceV deserves more than me coz s/he suggested it and I only backed it up. By the way it's much better  Smiley


Great, I am still new to this field and not familiar with how to deal with this kind of accusation, can you tell me how things go in this case?  Maybe we should post the link to this thread in the original announcement thread of this token? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2821548.msg28898257#msg28898257

LoyceV (LOL again, seems like you are an expert in this kind of job) has a topic on the Scam Accusations board where s/he exposed scammer John547s3. I was scammed too by that user. What I did is... I sent same message to several media to make sure that the guy does not get paid for scamming both the company and the BitcoinTalk members. Read this for idea if you want to. I sent text to their telegram, Facebook, Twitter, email (got that from the admin of their teregram), reddit etc media to make sure somehow my message reaches to the project administrators. Hope this helps. You can keep following up with them until any of their administrators reply you with an acknowledgement. 

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May 04, 2018, 04:07:29 AM
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Hello again, cotiniber.

Certainly I participated in the Bounty campaign from the middle, but the rules are the same as all the participants.
So I did not count the contents (Cosplay Token Info) posted to the Cosplay Token related thread.
It counts only posts to Alto Coin Thread etc. We post more than 10 postings over 80 letters a week.
If my stakes are invalid, the stakes of many participants will also be invalid.

BTW, the token sale for this project has not yet started, and tokens are not distributed.

Please cease my watching as cotiniber.
I have not done cheating. Do you hate me? Huh


I am waiting for reply.

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May 04, 2018, 04:11:55 AM
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Dear Lauda.

I have not misused the position of Bounty manager.
Please delete the minus trust you did.

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May 04, 2018, 05:47:28 AM
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Dear Lauda.

I have not misused the position of Bounty manager.
Please delete the minus trust you did.
If you have a problem with lauda, I would advise you contact blazed, hilariousandco and salty. They are the reason why lauda is in the default trust network, despite the overwhelming community consensus that lauda should be excluded from DT. If they are unable to address your concerns, I would advise discussing the issue with theymos who can remove them from DT1 (and possibly from staff if he agrees adding lauda is a sign of poor judgment, which it is).
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Hello again, cotiniber.

Certainly I participated in the Bounty campaign from the middle, but the rules are the same as all the participants.
So I did not count the contents (Cosplay Token Info) posted to the Cosplay Token related thread.
It counts only posts to Alto Coin Thread etc. We post more than 10 postings over 80 letters a week.
Since this was posted on the 29th of January, that would mean the week 10 ends on the 9th of April. You've joined in the afternoon (4 PM) on the 6th of April, but I can't tell which timezone the sheet is in. Therefore, let's go with the earliest post on the 6th which is this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358.msg34052903#msg34052903 (page 6 of your post history). The first post on the 10th of April is this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2843224.msg34385132#msg34385132 (page 5).
I see 6 posts if you are counting every shitpost that doesn't fall into the 'if here, don't count it' category. Either I'm blind or you're lying. Which is it?

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Dear Lauda.

I have not misused the position of Bounty manager.
Please delete the minus trust you did.
You realy need to stop saying Please..please . you are a staff member .

Lauda sent 30 merit to a serial scammer and nobody questioned him/her. PM Theymos with this details.

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Dear Lauda.

I have not misused the position of Bounty manager.
Please delete the minus trust you did.
You realy need to stop saying Please..please . you are a staff member .

Lauda sent 30 merit to a serial scammer and nobody questioned him/her. PM Theymos with this details.

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Yeah, And the topic was created on November 29, 2017, it gives him merit, with what for the starting topic of the bounty, and then paints the trust. Lauda is such a Lauda.  Grin
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