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May 06, 2018, 12:36:00 AM
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Curious to see what people's thoughts are on this topic. There is a strong side of protesters who believe BCH and Roger Ver is hurting the overall market while others support their actions.

Overall the loud banter on the topic is not progressive for the market to grow, thoughts?
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May 06, 2018, 12:49:46 AM
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I prefer the idea of bitcoin, I am sure that bitcoin will be able to achieve what the main goal by becoming the currency of the future.

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May 06, 2018, 01:31:10 AM
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Curious to see what people's thoughts are on this topic. There is a strong side of protesters who believe BCH and Roger Ver is hurting the overall market while others support their actions.

Overall the loud banter on the topic is not progressive for the market to grow, thoughts?

I think the main  problem is that Bcash is spreading misinformation.
Like Bitcoin.com where he tries to cheat users into buying bcash as if it were btc

The whole publicity with slugs "the real btc" or "true Satoshi vision" are misleading. I think that attitude can hurt the market because it harms people, trying to fool people into buying bcash as of it were btc.

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May 06, 2018, 01:41:19 AM
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Curious to see what people's thoughts are on this topic. There is a strong side of protesters who believe BCH and Roger Ver is hurting the overall market while others support their actions.

Overall the loud banter on the topic is not progressive for the market to grow, thoughts?

I think the main  problem is that Bcash is spreading misinformation.
Like Bitcoin.com where he tries to cheat users into buying bcash as if it were btc

The whole publicity with slugs "the real btc" or "true Satoshi vision" are misleading. I think that attitude can hurt the market because it harms people, trying to fool people into buying bcash as of it were btc.

This. Some people actually bought BCH instead of BTC as Bitcoin was listed as BCH and BTC was listed as Bitcoin Core on bitcoin.com

I mean, I'm fine with creating forks. In a decentralized ecosystem, disagreements are to be really expected. But stuff like this as done by Roger Ver? Nope. Linux Mint forked Ubuntu Linux, but the Linux Mint community isn't spreading misinformation that "Linux Mint is the real Ubuntu" or something.

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May 06, 2018, 03:25:17 AM
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Overall the loud banter on the topic is not progressive for the market to grow, thoughts?
Do not care about them since Roger Ver's group are just a bunch of whales who wants more money, nothing more. They might hurt the overall market of bitcoin now(because of the bitcoin.com problem which is indicated on this thread but they can't do it for a long time, the misunderstanding will be cleared soon. I feel sorry for the newbies who will buy bch at bitcoin's current price though, they will only be used by Roger Ver's team to get BCH prices soar high.
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May 06, 2018, 03:41:20 AM
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In my own opinion, there is nothing wrong if Roger Ver is having his own cryptocurrency and is promoting it with all of his vigor and might. What is wrong is that he is trying to destroy Bitcoin so that Bitcoin Cash can be elevated to the same level which Bitcoin is still enjoying. Can he not do his own thing without destroying the thing that he also partly built? The market of cryptocurrency is expanding and there will always be space for a project like Bitcoin Cash so there is no use displaying predatory kind of behavior. The bottomline is that whether we like or not what can happen to Bitcoin will be affecting all of the cryptocurrency market. The more that the guy is displaying his unprofessionalism the more am convinced that he is becoming ungrateful.


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May 06, 2018, 04:06:01 AM
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Curious to see what people's thoughts are on this topic. There is a strong side of protesters who believe BCH and Roger Ver is hurting the overall market while others support their actions.

Overall the loud banter on the topic is not progressive for the market to grow, thoughts?

I think the main  problem is that Bcash is spreading misinformation.
Like Bitcoin.com where he tries to cheat users into buying bcash as if it were btc

The whole publicity with slugs "the real btc" or "true Satoshi vision" are misleading. I think that attitude can hurt the market because it harms people, trying to fool people into buying bcash as of it were btc.

I agree, fighting over what is the 'real bitcoin' causes confusion, especially with new players entering the market. Couldn't agree with you more. Due diligence is crucial for any speculative market.
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May 06, 2018, 04:27:25 AM
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I think the fundamental problem has been with Roger Ver making bitcoin cash look like the original bitcoin and his sites misleading newbies into buying BCH instead of BTC otherwise the competition would have just been as health as ETH and ETC.In any case,i believe bitcoin is the currency of choice now over BCH.the unfortunate part is that there is no satoshi nakomoto to fight an open fight for bitcoin against BCH.

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May 06, 2018, 04:32:03 AM
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Most of the time, people pay more attention to which tokens can benefit them.
So there's no need for this discussion.

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May 06, 2018, 04:44:51 AM
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Curious to see what people's thoughts are on this topic. There is a strong side of protesters who believe BCH and Roger Ver is hurting the overall market while others support their actions.

Overall the loud banter on the topic is not progressive for the market to grow, thoughts?

it doesn't matter at all when they try to market BCH as Bitcoin, they will also get affected when bitcoin price decrease also altcoin will follow, and it is not the problem of bitcoin, base on the information above my post that there is some litte trick about mislead information about split coin of bitcoin which is BCH, but it's not the real problem tho. the problem is within the buyers, they must know how to distinguish the real one (king) rather than BCH.

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May 06, 2018, 04:53:02 AM
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the attack on bitcoin is not something that just stops over night and goes away.
people like Roger Ver will always try to take over bitcoin and do it for their own benefits to become richer. they don't even care about the future of it, they may as well make millions of dollars in one day and then kill the whole thing off.

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May 06, 2018, 06:11:10 AM
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Improving cryptocurrency as a transaction medium will depend on maintaining the high level of security that Bitcoin has always ensured, while also improving transaction speeds. Bitcoin will continue to be highly secure, but how much its transaction speeds will improve is unclear. Bitcoin Cash, once its difficulty has adjusted, could have transactions processing in two minutes and 30 seconds. The security of the Bitcoin Cash blockchain, though, is unclear.
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May 06, 2018, 06:12:57 AM
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What dilemma? Bitcoin cash is like a clown right now, so what's the doubt? Honestly talking, I'm thinking also litecoin is becoming useless, you can imagine bcash.. No sense to exists!

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May 06, 2018, 06:16:51 AM
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Curious to see what people's thoughts are on this topic. There is a strong side of protesters who believe BCH and Roger Ver is hurting the overall market while others support their actions.

Overall the loud banter on the topic is not progressive for the market to grow, thoughts?
Here at bitcointalk we believe that every news source should have a link. Where is the link to this Roger Ver attempting to hurt the market perspective you have shared here. Or are you speculating and spreading fud?

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May 06, 2018, 02:29:00 PM
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Curious to see what people's thoughts are on this topic. There is a strong side of protesters who believe BCH and Roger Ver is hurting the overall market while others support their actions.

Overall the loud banter on the topic is not progressive for the market to grow, thoughts?

I think the main  problem is that Bcash is spreading misinformation.
Like Bitcoin.com where he tries to cheat users into buying bcash as if it were btc

The whole publicity with slugs "the real btc" or "true Satoshi vision" are misleading. I think that attitude can hurt the market because it harms people, trying to fool people into buying bcash as of it were btc.

This. Some people actually bought BCH instead of BTC as Bitcoin was listed as BCH and BTC was listed as Bitcoin Core on bitcoin.com

I mean, I'm fine with creating forks. In a decentralized ecosystem, disagreements are to be really expected. But stuff like this as done by Roger Ver? Nope. Linux Mint forked Ubuntu Linux, but the Linux Mint community isn't spreading misinformation that "Linux Mint is the real Ubuntu" or something.

Yeah this is bad especially for newcomers, who will find it a lot confusing and may be scammed into buying bch..

I think bch won't last long, lightning and segwit are real

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May 06, 2018, 02:34:03 PM
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Bitcoin Cash causes a lot of mess because new people are confused which Bitcoin is the "real" one. Bitcoin.com has been misleading their customers by calling Bitcoin Cash Bitcoin. It looks like they are really desperate to gain more users than Bitcoin which was not possible even after many pumps on Bitcoin Cash and spam attacks on Bitcoin. It's been almost 1 year since Bcash was created and it's getting wrose and woerse with every month.

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May 06, 2018, 02:55:09 PM
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Bitcoin is pushing hard with SegWit, Lightning network, smart contracts implementation. The community is backing it up 100%
I never saw any purpose in Bitcoin Cash, except speculative. Maybe somebody can try to change my mind?

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May 06, 2018, 03:21:49 PM
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bitcoin is owned by no one

bitcoin.com talks about cash
bitcoin.org talks about core

both sides need to clarify that they are
bitcoin core
bitcoin cash

much like the analogy of "dollar"
america talks about U.S dollar
australia talks about A.U dollar

both sides need to clarify that they are
U.S dollar
A.U dollar

again no one should own "bitcoin"
if you are going to rebut to say that the network with the core rules, the core bips, the core roadmap, and the team that have paid devs from blockstream who are also making segwit and lightning.. should be and own bitcoin.. then you have said goodbye to decentralisation.

which is what they want. they want decentralisation to die and to only have distribution (their buzzword: distributed ledger technology (DLT))

so any argument you can have against ver also applies to theymos (both promote a team as being "the bitcoin")
so any argument you can have against jgarzic also applies to PWuille(both coded a node that maintains the rules and introduces new rules)
any argument you have against craig wright also applies to adam back (both falsely proclaim they invented bitcoin but neither coded anything in 2008-2009)

because if you take a few steps back.. you will realise the whole bilateral split event was designed to fake democracy, purely to activate a bip that had 35% vote. by distracting the opposition into another coin which. in actual fact is maintained, created and activated by the same group funding the core team.

so by saying X deserves it or Y deserves it. is the same as saying "someone" deserves it.
NO ONE DESERVES IT.

the bilateral split was not just a random altcoin event. it was a bi-directional split of equal direction change. both sides became an alt that is now different to the old chain. no side has claim over being the one and only.

if you intend to play the game that if someone hates core they must love cash.. is just playing th sheep game of fake choice.
look beyond the tactics of the only choice being team A or team B and bickering over which..

bitcoin should be ownd by no teams and so no one should defend core and no one should defend cash
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now take a few steps back,, take off any team defense caps off.. take a few deep breaths and think about decentralised bitcoin.

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I already replied to you in the other thread. But seeing this post, I cannot help myself. Hahaha.

I will post again here for everyone to see both sides of the debate.

bitcoin is owned by no one

bitcoin.com talks about cash
bitcoin.org talks about core

both sides need to clarify that they are
bitcoin core
bitcoin cash

I agree that no one owns the word "Bitcoin", that is why Bitcoin Cash can call itself "Bitcoin Cash". But that is not the problem. The problem is Roger Ver trying to confuse everyone that Bitcoin Cash is the real "Bitcoin". What if a newbie buys BCH and think he bought Bitcoin?

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much like the analogy of "dollar"
america talks about U.S dollar
australia talks about A.U dollar

both sides need to clarify that they are
U.S dollar
A.U dollar

I appreciate that argument and I agree up to a point. But I believe your problem really is when people say Bitcoin, they are really referring it to what you call "Bitcoin Core".

Bitcoin is Bitcoin Core. The coin traded as BTC in the exchanges priced on $9300 at this minute, not BCH.

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again no one should own "bitcoin"

No one said it should.

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if you are going to rebut to say that the network with the core rules, the core bips, the core roadmap, and the team that have paid devs from blockstream who are also making segwit and lightning.. should be and own bitcoin.. then you have said goodbye to decentralisation.

which is what they want. they want decentralisation to die and to only have distribution (their buzzword: distributed ledger technology (DLT))

Bitcoin is decentralized. "Bitcoin Core" is only one implementation of Bitcoin that did not break from the consensus rules, https://coin.dance/nodes

Everyone is free to make their own implementation and follow the consensus rules to be compatible with Bitcoin.

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so any argument you can have against ver also applies to theymos (both promote a team as being "the bitcoin")
so any argument you can have against jgarzic also applies to PWuille(both coded a node that maintains the rules and introduces new rules)
any argument you have against craig wright also applies to adam back (both falsely proclaim they invented bitcoin but neither coded anything in 2008-2009)

It depends on the argument. The argument is not only about the name.

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because if you take a few steps back.. you will realise the whole bilateral split event was designed to fake democracy, purely to activate a bip that had 35% vote. by distracting the opposition into another coin which. in actual fact is maintained, created and activated by the same group funding the core team.

There was no bilateral split. It was Bitcoin Cash that changed the consensus rules and split.

Plus the story about Segwit's activation deserves to be in another topic. Jihan Wu, with the help of the Chinese mining cartel stalled Segwit because it was incompatible with AsicBoost.

But it was activated by the same miners that have stalled it.

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so by saying X deserves it or Y deserves it. is the same as saying "someone" deserves it.
NO ONE DESERVES IT.

the bilateral split was not just a random altcoin event. it was a bi-directional split of equal direction change. both sides became an alt that is now different to the old chain. no side has claim over being the one and only.

if you intend to play the game that if someone hates core they must love cash.. is just playing th sheep game of fake choice.
look beyond the tactics of the only choice being team A or team B and bickering over which..

bitcoin should be ownd by no teams and so no one should defend core and no one should defend cash
.
now take a few steps back,, take off any team defense caps off.. take a few deep breaths and think about decentralised bitcoin.

You can repeat this in all of the threads in the forum but it was Bitcoin Cash that split from the main chain because it changed the consensus rules and made an altcoin incompatible with Bitcoin's consensus rules.


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May 07, 2018, 06:09:10 AM
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I prefer bitcoin over bitcoin cash, BCH is just a fork coin of bitcoin so it has no chance to dethrone the original, only the chinese and the koreans supports bitcoin cash meanwhile bitcoin is supported wholewide so bitcoin is still the best.
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