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August 09, 2011, 08:39:23 AM
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Is there some bitcoin related bounty website out there? I mean a site where I can fund proposals by sending bitcoins.
If there is none, would anyone care to set up such a website?

Proposals where I would vote with my bitcoins:

1) Enable wallet encryption in the official client. It is in the code for some time, but I think it will not show up in some official client for some more ages using lame excuses.

2) Make bitcoin-qt the official client. From a users perspective it is way ahead of the current official bitcoin client.

3) Register a bitcoin: handler to be handled by the official bitcoin client. This should have been implemented since a few years. I can only guess that the developers haven heard about this new invention: clickable urls in web browsers </sarcasm>

4) Enable private key import. Eventually this would enable bitcoins "stored" on printed paper for savings. Code is in the repository since around February. Again I guess it will never show up.

5) Add a generate private key and import private key dialog to the official client. I mean not everyone knows how to use vanitygen or does even know what compile your own client means. With this I could create a private key that I just print on paper, send my savings to the related address and can later redeem it at any time by entering the private key. Would be a great yet simple system. Again I almost can hear some lame excuses.

As one can see, most of those would be more usability proposals than development proposals. I think we as a community have to "lead" our developers in those things, because, frankly, most of the times it feels that the (core) developers are living in there own world not understanding reality. Prime example wallet encryption. With this I am pretty sure allinvain would still have its 25000 bitcoins and could single handed pay a few full time developers.

The main point of such bounties would be, that as more people will join a certain proposal with there bitcoins, the "pressure" to the developers would increase to step aside lame excuses and just implement/enable things. And I am pretty sure that a lot of people would join, because some points have been asked for since ages.

Back to my questions, where do we have such a website?
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August 09, 2011, 08:46:06 AM
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That sounds like it would be http://bitpoll.dyndns.org/    - but it seems to be down at the moment.

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August 09, 2011, 09:35:23 AM
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Good points! I have tried floating this bounties idea on the mailing list, even proposed making a site for it, but it seems most there don't really like the idea Sad So I kind of gave up.

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=27860505

In principle this could be set up very quickly and would encourage developers to do something for bitcoin.

2) Make bitcoin-qt the official client. From a users perspective it is way ahead of the current official bitcoin client.

3) Register a bitcoin: handler to be handled by the official bitcoin client. This should have been implemented since a few years. I can only guess that the developers haven heard about this new invention: clickable urls in web browsers </sarcasm>
bitcoin-qt supports "bitcoin:" URIs when Drag&Dropped to it. I have not implemented browser handlers because I have a bad feeling about javascripts being able to send data to the bitcoin client without user intervention.

Now at least you can make a button "drag this image to your bitcoin client and click send to pay"...

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August 09, 2011, 09:56:51 AM
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bitcoin-qt supports "bitcoin:" URIs when Drag&Dropped to it. I have not implemented browser handlers because I have a bad feeling about javascripts being able to send data to the bitcoin client without user intervention.

Now at least you can make a button "drag this image to your bitcoin client and click send to pay"...
As long as your handler always opens up a dialog for sending bitcoins I think this is safe. Javascript cannot abuse mailto: torrent: and all the other gazillion registered protocol handlers, so why the bitcoin one? And most browsers open some "do you want to start..." dialog anyway. So I think, go ahead, register the handler. Dragging something around, while nice, is not a solution.

BTW, I follow your excellent development on bitcoin-qt. I constantly pull your changes and compile my client myself. But the average user cannot. Hence my point in making bitcoin-qt the official client.
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August 09, 2011, 10:06:41 AM
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As long as your handler always opens up a dialog for sending bitcoins I think this is safe. Javascript cannot abuse mailto: torrent: and all the other gazillion registered protocol handlers, so why the bitcoin one? And most browsers open some "do you want to start..." dialog anyway. So I think, go ahead, register the handler. Dragging something around, while nice, is not a solution.
Well the Bitcoin one has to do with payments. It is absolutely security critical. There is much more incentive to abuse it, than say, sending a mail or downloading a torrent... which is a fun spoof but not much more.

BTW, I follow your excellent development on bitcoin-qt. I constantly pull your changes and compile my client myself. But the average user cannot. Hence my point in making bitcoin-qt the official client.
I've asked for assistance in building binaries multiple times. It is quite involved, and I insist on doing it in a secure way. Multiple people would have to build it in an exactly equal build environment, then give the SHA hash of the .exe (and dependent DLLs).  After, that it could be packaged and distributed using a https:// site.

But how to motivate people to help? I have tried posting topics in Project Dev or asking in my own thread, and hardly any replies. I hope you understand that I don't go developing and handing out bounties at the same time, there is a limit to the amount of energy I'm going to invest in this (Though I did donate to the Android client dev).

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August 09, 2011, 10:23:24 AM
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But how to motivate people to help?

Tah-dah! Enter DeVCoin, whose official GUI client is devcoin-qt

Are you on the list of recipients Unthinkingbit set up for donations?

DeVCoin doesn't even require you to have a separate address for receiving DeVCoin, it uses your normal donation address so you can be receiving DeVCoin with which to eventually maybe motivate people (maybe mostly after exchanges have been set up so they can cash it in if they don't actually "believe" in it themselves).

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August 09, 2011, 10:33:06 AM
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As long as your handler always opens up a dialog for sending bitcoins I think this is safe. Javascript cannot abuse mailto: torrent: and all the other gazillion registered protocol handlers, so why the bitcoin one? And most browsers open some "do you want to start..." dialog anyway. So I think, go ahead, register the handler. Dragging something around, while nice, is not a solution.
Well the Bitcoin one has to do with payments. It is absolutely security critical. There is much more incentive to abuse it, than say, sending a mail or downloading a torrent... which is a fun spoof but not much more.
I agree, but making it clumsy (drag an image) instead of intuitive (click a link) is not a solution. Just add a big red warning dialog, or whatever fits you, in your handler. But add the handler. <sarcasm>We should disable clickable links in the web browser, because a http link could send you to a child porn site, so a clickable link could make you a criminal.</sarcasm>

I've asked for assistance in building binaries multiple times. It is quite involved, and I insist on doing it in a secure way. Multiple people would have to build it in an exactly equal build environment, then give the SHA hash of the .exe (and dependent DLLs).  After, that it could be packaged and distributed using a https:// site.
To have done it in a really secure way, multiple developers have to review and compile this on their own, and then publish the hashes. Automatic compiled binaries wouldn't bring that much, because you could just commit some "send all coins to me" code and everyone pulling the code would still have the same hash.
On a side note, I for one, would like to compile it using VS. As far as I have tested, your code does not compile out of the box using VS. It does using the mingw, which is really great. But to be honest, compiling and debugging is way to slow using mingw.
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August 09, 2011, 10:43:59 AM
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Tah-dah! Enter DeVCoin, whose official GUI client is devcoin-qt

Are you on the list of recipients Unthinkingbit set up for donations?

DeVCoin doesn't even require you to have a separate address for receiving DeVCoin, it uses your normal donation address so you can be receiving DeVCoin with which to eventually maybe motivate people (maybe mostly after exchanges have been set up so they can cash it in if they don't actually "believe" in it themselves).
I am in this list. However, doesn't DeVCoin involve an all-new block chain? I don't think it is practical to expect everyone to switch to a new chain just to pay the developers Sad
 
To have done it in a really secure way, multiple developers have to review and compile this on their own, and then publish the hashes. Automatic compiled binaries wouldn't bring that much, because you could just commit some "send all coins to me" code and everyone pulling the code would still have the same hash.
You get it wrong. The problem here is not that I am distrusted (or the source code). Everyone can audit my code on github and see the history of every change (also, if I wanted to steal your money I'd be writing windows rootkits instead of trying to help a fledgling distributed currency)

The problem is that build environments might have viruses, trojans, and the .exe might be infected during upload/download. You can audit source not executables. Hence you need multiple people to buid it and arrive at the same answer.

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On a side note, I for one, would like to compile it using VS. As far as I have tested, your code does not compile out of the box using VS. It does using the mingw, which is really great. But to be honest, compiling and debugging is way to slow using mingw.
Well then, fix it to build in VS (and contribute back the build scripts + instructions). I am not against that I just don't use it myself. I don't even use windows on most days, and if it is in a VM to test whether it still builds.

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August 09, 2011, 11:12:50 AM
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Is there some bitcoin related bounty website out there? I mean a site where I can fund proposals by sending bitcoins.
If there is none, would anyone care to set up such a website?

One of my friends is working on a similar project.

Bitcoin community needs a site similar to kickstarter.com, where people can propose or fund any creative project.

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August 09, 2011, 11:13:12 AM
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Tah-dah! Enter DeVCoin, whose official GUI client is devcoin-qt

Are you on the list of recipients Unthinkingbit set up for donations?

DeVCoin doesn't even require you to have a separate address for receiving DeVCoin, it uses your normal donation address so you can be receiving DeVCoin with which to eventually maybe motivate people (maybe mostly after exchanges have been set up so they can cash it in if they don't actually "believe" in it themselves).
I am in this list. However, doesn't DeVCoin involve an all-new block chain? I don't think it is practical to expect everyone to switch to a new chain just to pay the developers Sad
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We get a new block-chain ever other week. I suspect that most of those are just people that wants to be ultra early adopters, but got late on bitcoin. So the easy solution is start your own block chain.
 
To have done it in a really secure way, multiple developers have to review and compile this on their own, and then publish the hashes. Automatic compiled binaries wouldn't bring that much, because you could just commit some "send all coins to me" code and everyone pulling the code would still have the same hash.
You get it wrong. The problem here is not that I am distrusted (or the source code). Everyone can audit my code on github and see the history of every change (also, if I wanted to steal your money I'd be writing windows rootkits instead of trying to help a fledgling distributed currency)

The problem is that build environments might have viruses, trojans, and the .exe might be infected during upload/download. You can audit source not executables. Hence you need multiple people to buid it and arrive at the same answer.
I see. Good point.

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On a side note, I for one, would like to compile it using VS. As far as I have tested, your code does not compile out of the box using VS. It does using the mingw, which is really great. But to be honest, compiling and debugging is way to slow using mingw.
Well then, fix it to build in VS (and contribute back the build scripts + instructions). I am not against that I just don't use it myself. I don't even use windows on most days, and if it is in a VM to test whether it still builds.
Point taken. However, this was the reason me asking for a bounty site. I would probably spend a little on such point like this, and when others join with their bitcoins, it could make enough for some developer to say, hey I'll make this and take the bounty.

But how to motivate people to help?
Tah-dah! Enter DeVCoin, whose official GUI client is devcoin-qt
I am pretty sure that a trusted bounty site would be better than any new block chain.
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August 09, 2011, 11:56:56 AM
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Point taken. However, this was the reason me asking for a bounty site. I would probably spend a little on such point like this, and when others join with their bitcoins, it could make enough for some developer to say, hey I'll make this and take the bounty.
Indeed, I agree a bounty site is a good idea.
Sign me up if you're going to build this, if needed I can do some python/django/js/web dev...

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August 09, 2011, 12:10:50 PM
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I already imagine the domains bitbounty.com or bitcoinbounty.com to be bought. Maybe even some .org/net ones.

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August 09, 2011, 03:33:19 PM
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Is there some bitcoin related bounty website out there? I mean a site where I can fund proposals by sending bitcoins.
If there is none, would anyone care to set up such a website?

One of my friends is working on a similar project.

Bitcoin community needs a site similar to kickstarter.com, where people can propose or fund any creative project.



Hello already done Smiley almost ready to open shortly we have a dozen or so really cool projects now  grant it we aren't a bounty site per say but we accept all bitcoin related projects!

Stay tune for more Smiley

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August 09, 2011, 04:00:52 PM
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I already imagine the domains bitbounty.com or bitcoinbounty.com to be bought. Maybe even some .org/net ones.
I don't know if others are working on such a project, but I just registered btcbounty.net anyway. I'll do some hacking over the coming weekends and put the source on github.

Also, if I'm gonna step up and run this project then only free software projects will be eligible for bounty/payout, because I'm a dirty socialist like that Wink

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August 09, 2011, 04:34:33 PM
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Is there some bitcoin related bounty website out there? I mean a site where I can fund proposals by sending bitcoins.
If there is none, would anyone care to set up such a website?

One of my friends is working on a similar project.

Bitcoin community needs a site similar to kickstarter.com, where people can propose or fund any creative project.



Hello Smiley already done Smiley almost ready to open shortly we have a dozen or so really cool projects now we aren't a bounty site per say but we accept all bitcoin related projects!

Stay tune for more Smiley
Sounds great. Will it also support smaller proposals like the above discussed "bitcoin:" handler or wallet encryption?
While I very appreciate all the hard work the developers put in, I sometimes don't understand their resistance to add elementary usability features like wallet encryption or an url handler. My idea was to break this resistance using a few bitcoins. Hmm, thinking of this, maybe the resistance is because they are just waiting for those bounties... Wink
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August 09, 2011, 04:56:42 PM
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My idea was to break this resistance using a few bitcoins. Hmm, thinking of this, maybe the resistance is because they are just waiting for those bounties... Wink

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August 09, 2011, 06:46:29 PM
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Is there some bitcoin related bounty website out there? I mean a site where I can fund proposals by sending bitcoins.
If there is none, would anyone care to set up such a website?

One of my friends is working on a similar project.

Bitcoin community needs a site similar to kickstarter.com, where people can propose or fund any creative project.



Hello Smiley already done Smiley almost ready to open shortly we have a dozen or so really cool projects now we aren't a bounty site per say but we accept all bitcoin related projects!

Stay tune for more Smiley
Sounds great. Will it also support smaller proposals like the above discussed "bitcoin:" handler or wallet encryption?
While I very appreciate all the hard work the developers put in, I sometimes don't understand their resistance to add elementary usability features like wallet encryption or an url handler. My idea was to break this resistance using a few bitcoins. Hmm, thinking of this, maybe the resistance is because they are just waiting for those bounties... Wink

BitcoinStarter.com will entertain any kind of project even smaller ones - I agree elementary usability features would be very helpful to the community to have.  Smiley

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August 10, 2011, 08:52:18 AM
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BitcoinStarter.com will entertain any kind of project even smaller ones - I agree elementary usability features would be very helpful to the community to have.  Smiley
Any time frame on when this will be ready?
Will it hold the pledged bitcoins in escrow?
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BitcoinStarter.com will entertain any kind of project even smaller ones - I agree elementary usability features would be very helpful to the community to have.  Smiley
Any time frame on when this will be ready?
Will it hold the pledged bitcoins in escrow?


Earliest this weekend ( this is my goal at least! ) and latest at the end of this month. The pledged Bitcoins will be held in escrow and released if project is successful. If not successful all Bitcoins are returned to their perspective pledgers.

Good question!

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Just curious, who decides whether the project is successful or not?

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