Rest in peace...

[bryant.coleman]

That's true.

Can anyone recommend any decent films/docs on him as well?

Hmm... that is quite easy. Let's start with Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom. Invictus is also pretty good, but not unbiased. Cry Freedom is another decent movie.

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[jones31]

If Nelson Mandela is a terrorist what does that make Bush, Blair, & Obama?

So , by this comparison we don't have any other terrorists.
Should we label them by grade  1 , 2?

I'd say measure them in numbers of people they've killed, or displaced o,r children that they've orphaned.

I think the only terrorists people need to worry about are the UK/US governments.

Nothing about the chinese leaders?
One example of their actions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

It wasn't my intention to list every act of terrorism that has ever been carried out by a country's government. What wars have China started in the last 50 years?

I'll add a post from another thread here:

How long should the US have this defense pact with Japan?  and if Japan causes the war with China why should the US side with Japan?  I am sick of the US trying to get involved in other nations' issues when we are arguing over islands with no clear answer.  Yes it's over islands but it's for economic reasons.  Why waste millions of lives for a relatively small economic win?

If Japan bullies Russia, US should not interfere.

But right now, that is not the case.

Let's look back to history:

1961: China invades Aksai Chin (until then administered by India) without any provocation. It is still under Chinese occupation

1965: China invades Dong-Yin (part of Taiwan). Status quo.

1967: China invades Sikkim (part of India). Indians expel PLA soldiers.

1969: China invades Damansky Island (part of USSR). The Soviet Red Army beat the living daylights out of PLA.

1974: China invades Paracel Islands (until then administered by Vietnam) without any provocation. It is still under Chinese occupation

1987: China invades Sumdorong Chu Valley (part of India). Status quo.

1988: China invades Johnson South Reef (part of Vietnam).  It is still under Chinese occupation

Now they want to invade Shenkaku Islands (Japan) and Scarborough Shoal (Philippines).

Tell me who are the bullies here.  

Why 50 years?
Lets see how many wars China has started in the last 2000.
How many wars has Turkey started in the last 50 years? But in the last 500? They've trashed my country like 100 times the last millennium.

Well , Germany hasn't started anything in the last 50 years. They must be the most peaceful people on earth !

[hilariousandco]

If Nelson Mandela is a terrorist what does that make Bush, Blair, & Obama?

So , by this comparison we don't have any other terrorists.
Should we label them by grade  1 , 2?

I'd say measure them in numbers of people they've killed, or displaced o,r children that they've orphaned.

I think the only terrorists people need to worry about are the UK/US governments.

Nothing about the chinese leaders?
One example of their actions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

It wasn't my intention to list every act of terrorism that has ever been carried out by a country's government. What wars have China started in the last 50 years?

I'll add a post from another thread here:

How long should the US have this defense pact with Japan?  and if Japan causes the war with China why should the US side with Japan?  I am sick of the US trying to get involved in other nations' issues when we are arguing over islands with no clear answer.  Yes it's over islands but it's for economic reasons.  Why waste millions of lives for a relatively small economic win?

If Japan bullies Russia, US should not interfere.

But right now, that is not the case.

Let's look back to history:

1961: China invades Aksai Chin (until then administered by India) without any provocation. It is still under Chinese occupation

1965: China invades Dong-Yin (part of Taiwan). Status quo.

1967: China invades Sikkim (part of India). Indians expel PLA soldiers.

1969: China invades Damansky Island (part of USSR). The Soviet Red Army beat the living daylights out of PLA.

1974: China invades Paracel Islands (until then administered by Vietnam) without any provocation. It is still under Chinese occupation

1987: China invades Sumdorong Chu Valley (part of India). Status quo.

1988: China invades Johnson South Reef (part of Vietnam).  It is still under Chinese occupation

Now they want to invade Shenkaku Islands (Japan) and Scarborough Shoal (Philippines).

Tell me who are the bullies here.  

Why 50 years?
Lets see how many wars China has started in the last 2000.
How many wars has Turkey started in the last 50 years? But in the last 500? They've trashed my country like 100 times the last millennium.

Well , Germany hasn't started anything in the last 50 years. They must be the most peaceful people on earth !

Because I was talking about terrorists you need to be worried about. China isn't trying to be The World Police.

Why don't you list all the wars and invasions and coos and puppet governments America has been involved in? Guarantee it dwarfs Chinas list.

[Honeypot]

Mandela is not a saint. Neither is he particularly intelligent nor balanced. He spent the last 20 years of his life watching his 'dream' being exposed as a fantastic, self-congratulatory lie which saw SA descend into the kind of chaos and criminality that was unheard of even under the unofficial estimates in the Apartheid regime. He was a racially biased racist scum who masqueraded and probably even fooled himself about being the great 'peacemaker'.

He is the perfect example of the folly that is today's 'revolutionaries' and 'freedom fighters'. They are anything but, only mere shadows of the true fighters and soldiers who died for their cause during and upto WW2.

Wannabes. Imitators. Just like Che Guevara. Their 'appeal' is not based on solid and determined understanding of the world, only personal pipe dreams and impulses dressed up as a just cause which appeals to impulsive nature of frustrated masses whose misery is as much of their own making as their oppressors. When their own lack of abilities bring even greater misery, they either slink away with their tails tucked in, or bitch and moan about how it's 'other' people's fault that world does not cater to their personal tastes.

As a minority living in US, I am highly amused at the idea that this fool somehow tried to spin SA apartheid regime as the next nazi germany. I have seen the faces of people who lived under fascism and outright cultural genocide. They always have a good laugh listening to world news about these so called 'saints' and 'freedom fighters' who gullible media idolizes.

[bryant.coleman]

Why don't you list all the wars and invasions and coos and puppet governments America has been involved in? Guarantee it dwarfs Chinas list.

Not only the invasions. You should also count the "war by proxy" methodology followed by the Americans. A classic example is the Afghanistan involvement in the 1980s. USA gave Taliban fighters Stinger missiles, so that they'll fight the Soviets. Now many of those Stinger missiles are in the possession of the Iranian military, after Taliban sold them for money.

At that time, the Taliban were freedom fighters for the Americans, and terrorists for the Russians.

Same case here. The ANC were regarded as "freedom fighters" by some, and as "terrorists" by someone else.

[hawkeye]

All this is, fundamentally, is people looking for some good, in an inherently bad situation, so that they can justify said situation.

Unable to really find much they start pointing out worse situations and then using the excuse that "well, they weren't anywhere near as bad as x".   Which is really just a form of Stockholm Syndrome.

And that's assuming you are a good person.  If you're not a good person, you of course won't have any problem defending bad people.

Why would big government be any more of a solution to problems in South Africa than it is anywhere else?   

In fact, if you think Mandela is a good person and if you think it's just a matter of getting someone good to be your leader, then South Africa should be one of the best countries in the world to live in.  Since it isn't, either one or both of those premises are incorrect. 

[stompix]

Why don't you list all the wars and invasions and coos and puppet governments America has been involved in? Guarantee it dwarfs Chinas list.

Not only the invasions. You should also count the "war by proxy" methodology followed by the Americans. A classic example is the Afghanistan involvement in the 1980s. USA gave Taliban fighters Stinger missiles, so that they'll fight the Soviets. Now many of those Stinger missiles are in the possession of the Iranian military, after Taliban sold them for money.

At that time, the Taliban were freedom fighters for the Americans, and terrorists for the Russians.

Same case here. The ANC were regarded as "freedom fighters" by some, and as "terrorists" by someone else.

The French Resistance were heroes , the people in Afghanistan are terrorists.
It doesn't matter what do you do in a war , the winner always picks the heroes

[hilariousandco]

Did anyone hear about that fake Sign Language interpreter at the Mandela memorial? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StEFnh18zRk

Pretty funny. Epic troll.

[cryptasm]

It's thanks to the CIA (and NSA intercepts) that Mandela was arrested and imprisoned for 27 years, goes to show that nothing really changes with our corrupt intelligence agencies, still up to their dirty tricks 

The last few shows on Democracy Now! have covered this story in depth:

Polaroid & Apartheid: Inside the Beginnings of the Boycott, Divestment Movement Against South Africa
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/12/13/polaroid_apartheid_inside_the_beginnings_of

"One of Our Greatest Coups": The CIA & the Capture of Nelson Mandela
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/12/13/one_of_our_greatest_coups_the

[bryant.coleman]

The French Resistance were heroes , the people in Afghanistan are terrorists.
It doesn't matter what do you do in a war , the winner always picks the heroes

Yes. The winner gets the chance to rewrite the history books. So we have Serbs the "eternal aggressors" exterminating (sic) the poor, innocent secular Albanians.

Also, we have a group of eternal victims, 6 million of whom perished in WW2.

The list can go on and on...