Potential inventor of Bitcoin - related or married to Michelle Szabo?

[NeverLoseVision]

Hello everyone.

I am a professional media consultant, developer, and investor.

This is my first post on BitcoinTalk and I wanted to share some research.

Just food for thought...

Note:

On May 5th 2011 a woman by the name of "Michelle Szabo" registered the domain names "PayWithBitcoin.com" and "PayWithBitcoins.com".

Is this the wife, sister, or cousin of the rumored inventor of Bitcoin?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?

Here are a few other interesting domain name asset registrations with dates.

Enjoy!

Ps: A small donation would be greatly appreciated for the six hours of work!

IsBitcoinAScam.com = private registration on 4/12/2013
IsBitcoinReal.com = Ankur Bansal on 11/24/2013
BitcoinPonzi.com = Martin Naylor on 11/24/2013
BitcoinHype.com = Fraser Burt on 4/11/2013
BitcoinForDummies.com = FirstBrain IT on 6/9/2011
21MillionBitcoin.com =  Ricky Florido on 3/22/2013
21MillionBitcoins.com = Brian Kempner on 2/26/2013

HowToBuyBitcoin.com = Bit-Pay, LLC on 8/30/2012
HowToBuyBitcoins.com = private registration on 8/13/2012

WhereToBuyBitcoins.com = Tom Longson on 9/19/2012

BuyBitcoinsNow.com = private registration on 6/14/2011

BuyBitcoins.com = private registration on 6/28/2010
SellBitcoins.com = Sally Rich on 6/28/2010

BuyBitcoin.com = private registration on 11/16/2010
SellBitcoin.com = Lifestyle Optimizer on 3/18/2012

BitcoinApp.com = Stephen Gornick on 11/19/2010
BitcoinApps.com = Stephen Gornick on 11/22/2010
BitcoinMobileApp.com = private registration on 12/5/2013
BitcoinMobileApps.com = Matthew Green on 5/13/2013
BitcoinMobile.com = private registration on 5/11/2012
BitcoinMarketing.com = Epik, Inc on 7/29/2012
BitcoinAdvertising.com = private registration on 5/10/2011
BitcoinForum.com = private registration on 10/15/2010
BitcoinBlog.com = private registration on 10/15/2010
BitcoinETF.com = Omnipire Corporation on 9/21/2012
BitcoinIPO.com = John Gainor on 6/19/2013
BitcoinOTC.com = Epik, Inc on 12/18/2010
BitcoinATM.com = private registration on 4/11/2011
BitcoinBank.com = Chadwick Miller on 7/13/2010
BitcoinOptions.com = Eduardo Jesus Fernandez Corrales on 4/12/2011
BitcoinCalculator.com = private registration on 2/19/2011
BitcoinConversion.com = private registration on 5/9/2011
BitcoinMarket.com = Epik, Inc on 6/24/2013
BitcoinVolume.com = private registration on 5/3/2011
BitcoinPrice.com = Kendall Saville on 12/31/2010
BitcoinValue.com = Stein Galen on 12/31/2010
BitcoinValuation.com = Matthew Klein on 8/5/2013
BitcoinGambling.com = Jennifer Dromon on 4/22/2011
BitcoinLottery.com = Bradley Wyse on 7/26/2010
BitcoinFuture.com = private registration on 5/2/2011
BitcoinBubble.com = private registration on 5/2/2011
BitcoinTicker.com = Help.org LLC on 4/22/2011
BitcoinGraph.com = private registration on 6/6/2011
BitcoinGraphs.com = private registration on 6/19/2011
BitcoinChart.com = private registration on 5/11/2011
BitcoinCharts.com = private registration on 11/7/2010
BitcoinStock.com = private registration on 10/13/2010
BitcoinCommodity.com = private registration on 5/30/2011
BitcoinCurrency.com = Domain Specifics LLC on 4/12/2012
BitcoinInvestment.com = private registration on 11/24/2010
BitcoinTheft.com = private registration on 5/03/2011
BitcoinFraud.com = private registration on 5/2/2011
BitcoinTrade.com = Noorinet? on 10/2/2011
BitcoinTrader.com = Matthew Courtney on 11/26/2010
BitcoinTraders.com = Epik, Inc on 6/15/2012
BitcoinTrading.com = Richard Vialoux on 11/26/2010
BitcoinFoundation.com = private registration on 12/6/2010
BitcoinMining.com = private registration on 11/26/2010
BitcoinSoftware.com = private registration on 11/28/2010
BitcoinHardware.com = private registration on 5/3/2011
BitcoinComputer.com = Victor Suarez on 3/8/2013
BitcoinComputers.com = private registration on 3/28/2013
BitcoinPayment.com = private registration on 11/24/2010
BitcoinWallet.com = Eric Swanson on 7/13/2010
BitcoinMoney.com = DigiCoast on 11/26/2010
BitcoinFinance.com = Lewis Bowker on 4/17/2011
BitcoinNews.com = DigiCoast on 12/28/2010
BitcoinExpo.com = The Life And Times of Robert Sama on 6/15/2011
BitcoinConference.com = private registration on 4/19/2011
BitcoinWhitePaper.com = private registration on 11/24/2013
BitcoinOwner.com = TradeBTC on 10/20/2011
BitcoinCreator.com = Dietzer? on 6/18/2011
BitcoinFounder.com = Payward, Inc on 8/22/2011
BitcoinBroker.com = private registration on 11/26/2010
BitcoinBrokers.com = Epik, Inc. on 4/25/2011
BitcoinExchange.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 12/22/2009
BitcoinExchanges.com = Fred Madrid on 5/17/2011
BitcoinMillionaire.com = Coleman Parker Taylor Private Equity Ltd. on 6/3/2011
BitcoinBillionaire.com = private registration on 5/3/2011
BitcoinMovie.com = Jennifer Dromon on 4/23/2011

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IndiaBitcoin.com = Sunny Ray (speaker at conference below)
GlobalBitcoinConference.com = Sathvik V? on 10/2/2013 (actual conference this month in Bangalore, India)
ButterCoin.com = Carll Hoffman on 8/26/2011 (backed by Google Ventures)
BitcoinTrust.co = Bitcoin Investment Trust (Launched by SecondMarket)
Circle.com = private registration on 4/9/1999 (wow @ date and backed by $9m in funding)

BitcoinFoundation.org = private registration on 12/6/2010
CoinDesk.com = Shakil Khan on 5/4/2008
BitcoinTalk.org = private registration on 6/24/2011
BitcoinMagazine.com = private registration on 5/20/2011
WeUseCoins.com = private registration on 2/25/2011
UseBitcoins.info = Vassilis Vatz on 5/8/2013
HowToBuyBitcoins.info = Jonathan Waller on 1/1/2013
TheGenesisBlock.com = private registration on 4/1/2013

MtGox.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 1/2/2007 (interesting)
CoinBase.com = CoinBase, Inc on 7/2/2011 (backed by $6.11m in funding)
BTC-e.com = private registration on 6/17/2011
BitPay.com = on 11/15/2004 (interesting date, backed by $2.1m in funding)

Bitcoin.com = private registration on 1/4/2008 (wow)
Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)
Bitcoin.org = private registration on 8/18/2008 (triple wow)

NickSzabo.com = Nicholas Szabo on 6/6/2012
SatoshiNakamoto.com = Jennifer Dromon on 4/22/2011

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[ataulf]

Very interesting...

If Mark Karpelès registered bitcoins.org on 3/30/2000, has coding experience as his LinkedIn proves, and lives in Japan (whence the pseudonym), I think it's a match as to him being Satoshi Nakamoto!

EDIT: might be helpful to rearrange your list of websites by date, from oldest to youngest maybe bold or italicize names that are related (ex. Jennifer Dromon or Mark Karpelès appearing multiple times)

[NeverLoseVision]

Thanks for your reply!

Well, it's a bit tricky.

You see, the date shown in the WHOIS database is a record of "registration" but does not necessarily mean it was the "date of origin" for a particular domain name. If a domain ever expires and then later is registered by another individual, the WHOIS will show the "new registration date" verses the original.

And, more importantly, regardless of the official birth of the address (or date post-drop), the "name" of the registrant can be edited at any time.

So for example, "BiggestBitcoinFanInTheWorld.com" could have a WHOIS date of 2/13/2012 but it could've been registered originally on 10/12/2002 and so you can not necessarily rely on standard WHOIS checkers for original creation dates. DomainTools is available for the most accurate data. And to be quite honest, there isn't necessarily any WHOIS police, so a registrant could edit or falsely the contact details to his/her liking. Or, obviously, just place the domain on private protection as many of my examples have opted for.

And for the final example regarding the name record. Regardless of the date, an individual could have his/her name listed on a ten year old domain but just acquired it last week from the previous owner. So as I mentioned, it's tricky.

Hope that makes sense.

Thanks again for reading.

[JompinDox]

Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hujilo]

Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nice whoever got it must feel so nice

[JompinDox]

Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nice whoever got it must feel so nice

Well that "whoever" is Mark Karpeles, the owner of MtGox!!!! Got it?

[r3wt]

So Logically

1994 => NSA publishes paper on Electronic Currencies

1998 => Nick Szabo conceives bitgold

1999 => Circle is founded. Possible joint venture between Szabo Karpeles, and others.

2000 => Mark Karpeles registers bitcoins.com

2004 => Bitpay is founded, paving the way for a ready to roll bitcoin payment processor.

2004 => Mt Gox is founded, paving the way for a bitcoin exchange.

2008 => Bitcoin.org is registered.

2009 => Bitcoin is launched by Satoshi Nakamoto


correct me if i'm wrong but... whooooaaaa

[Itun]

So Logically

1994 => NSA publishes paper on Electronic Currencies

1998 => Nick Szabo conceives bitgold

1999 => Circle is founded. Possible joint venture between Szabo Karpeles, and others.

2000 => Mark Karpeles registers bitcoins.com

2004 => Bitpay is founded, paving the way for a ready to roll bitcoin payment processor.

2004 => Mt Gox is founded, paving the way for a bitcoin exchange.

2008 => Bitcoin.org is registered.

2009 => Bitcoin is launched by Satoshi Nakamoto


correct me if i'm wrong but... whooooaaaa

Yeah.

This is really interesting.

So all those sites like Bitpay, Mt Gox saw bitcoin coming 

[gusti]

Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Original bitcoins.com domain was registered by aanother individual, for project not related to "our" Bitcoin.
Karpeles bought it later from him.

[JompinDox]

Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Original bitcoins.com domain was registered by aanother individual, for project not related to "our" Bitcoin.
Karpeles bought it later from him.

OK, makes sense... Thanks.

[beetcoin]

interesting thread. is there any evidence that mark knew DPR personally? they seem to know each other.

[r3wt]

Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Original bitcoins.com domain was registered by aanother individual, for project not related to "our" Bitcoin.
Karpeles bought it later from him.

says the random hero member who may be covering for the identities of his friends 

[gusti]

Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Original bitcoins.com domain was registered by aanother individual, for project not related to "our" Bitcoin.
Karpeles bought it later from him.

says the random hero member who may be covering for the identities of his friends 

No need to cover anyone (I'm clueless also), but I find this kind of search rather obnoxious.
 

[ataulf]

So Logically

1994 => NSA publishes paper on Electronic Currencies

1998 => Nick Szabo conceives bitgold

1999 => Circle is founded. Possible joint venture between Szabo Karpeles, and others.

2000 => Mark Karpeles registers bitcoins.com

2004 => Bitpay is founded, paving the way for a ready to roll bitcoin payment processor.

2004 => Mt Gox is founded, paving the way for a bitcoin exchange.

2008 => Bitcoin.org is registered.

2009 => Bitcoin is launched by Satoshi Nakamoto


correct me if i'm wrong but... whooooaaaa

I'd add

2011 => Mt Gox is taken over by Tibanne Ltd., a company registered by Mark Karpelès in Tokyo, Japan

[r3wt]

Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Original bitcoins.com domain was registered by aanother individual, for project not related to "our" Bitcoin.
Karpeles bought it later from him.

says the random hero member who may be covering for the identities of his friends 

No need to cover anyone (I'm clueless also), but I find this kind of search rather obnoxious.
 

it's pretty pointless. given the technical prowess of the inventor, these are probably all clues he intended for us to find.

[NeverLoseVision]

@Gusti:

I apologize that you feel like my research is obnoxious.

Let me explain. The information I provided was simply for fun rather than some wild attempt to locate the founder. Honestly, I could not care less who he or she or they are, but would like to publicly congratulate them nonetheless on an absolutely magnificent piece of work that has a chance to change the world.

As mentioned, for a living I work in the media consulting industry so I felt that my rare data should be shared within the Bitcoin community to stimulate the forum by providing evidence of the trends and ownership records of domain assets, no harm intended.

Take care.

[beetcoin]

Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Original bitcoins.com domain was registered by aanother individual, for project not related to "our" Bitcoin.
Karpeles bought it later from him.

says the random hero member who may be covering for the identities of his friends 

No need to cover anyone (I'm clueless also), but I find this kind of search rather obnoxious.
 

it's pretty pointless. given the technical prowess of the inventor, these are probably all clues he intended for us to find.

why would he keep himself anonymous then? you mean he intended to set people on a goose hunt to find out his identity?

[ataulf]

@Gusti:

I apologize that you feel like my research is obnoxious.

Let me explain. The information I provided was simply for fun rather than some wild attempt to locate the founder. Honestly, I could not care less who he or she or they are, but would like to publicly congratulate them nonetheless on an absolutely magnificent piece of work that has a chance to change the world.

As mentioned, for a living I work in the media consulting industry so I felt that my rare data should be shared within the Bitcoin community to stimulate the forum by providing evidence of the trends and ownership records of domain assets, no harm intended.

Take care.

It's true that btc has gone far beyond what its creator(s) could possibly have imagined.

However, I feel this research does corroborate two pieces of data we have about btc:

1. How politically distant "Satoshi" was from btc's community (privacy advocates, free traders, cryptography/cryptocurrency fans, libertarians, etc.) since its inception

2. How Karpelès has treated Mt. Gox since he acquired it - implementing trading caps, price controls, removing privacy to withdraw USD, otherwise interfering with the market

It seems to me Karpelès/Satoshi came into this not as a part of the community but as someone interested in capitalizing off the niche, and the way he is running Mt. Gox now - like a state, basically - proves he is not particularly interested in liberty, privacy, et al.

Just my 2 mBTC

[kcirazy]

So all those sites like Bitpay, Mt Gox saw bitcoin coming 

A lot of people saw Bitcoin coming. Few people envisioned it exactly the way it works now.
Nobody knew the full solution on how to create it so it would actually work, but there was a large crowd of mathematicians, cryptography enthusiasts and early digital currency developers who were looking into this. Hashcash was invented by Adam Back in 1997 mind you. Some people today were already trying to invent proof-of-work based currencies 10 years earliers and the public somehow lost interest. Plenty of fiction back then was already talking about the idea of digital credits. The words 'bit-coin' and 'bit-gold' 'e-gold'  'e-cash' were pretty popular.

[mbets]

I am a bit perplexed by the first step here.

So Logically

1994 => NSA publishes paper on Electronic Currencies

1998 => Nick Szabo conceives bitgold

1999 => Circle is founded. Possible joint venture between Szabo Karpeles, and others.

2000 => Mark Karpeles registers bitcoins.com

2004 => Bitpay is founded, paving the way for a ready to roll bitcoin payment processor.

2004 => Mt Gox is founded, paving the way for a bitcoin exchange.

2008 => Bitcoin.org is registered.

2009 => Bitcoin is launched by Satoshi Nakamoto


correct me if i'm wrong but... whooooaaaa

Isn't it a bit ironic that the system most use to stay away from surveillance is put in motion by NSA itself?