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December 08, 2013, 07:50:05 AM |
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Hello everyone.
I am a professional media consultant, developer, and investor.
This is my first post on BitcoinTalk and I wanted to share some research.
Just food for thought...
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On May 5th 2011 a woman by the name of "Michelle Szabo" registered the domain names "PayWithBitcoin.com" and "PayWithBitcoins.com".
Is this the wife, sister, or cousin of the rumored inventor of Bitcoin?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?
Here are a few other interesting domain name asset registrations with dates.
Enjoy!
Ps: A small donation would be greatly appreciated for the six hours of work!
IsBitcoinAScam.com = private registration on 4/12/2013 IsBitcoinReal.com = Ankur Bansal on 11/24/2013 BitcoinPonzi.com = Martin Naylor on 11/24/2013 BitcoinHype.com = Fraser Burt on 4/11/2013 BitcoinForDummies.com = FirstBrain IT on 6/9/2011 21MillionBitcoin.com = Ricky Florido on 3/22/2013 21MillionBitcoins.com = Brian Kempner on 2/26/2013
HowToBuyBitcoin.com = Bit-Pay, LLC on 8/30/2012 HowToBuyBitcoins.com = private registration on 8/13/2012
WhereToBuyBitcoins.com = Tom Longson on 9/19/2012
BuyBitcoinsNow.com = private registration on 6/14/2011
BuyBitcoins.com = private registration on 6/28/2010 SellBitcoins.com = Sally Rich on 6/28/2010
BuyBitcoin.com = private registration on 11/16/2010 SellBitcoin.com = Lifestyle Optimizer on 3/18/2012
BitcoinApp.com = Stephen Gornick on 11/19/2010 BitcoinApps.com = Stephen Gornick on 11/22/2010 BitcoinMobileApp.com = private registration on 12/5/2013 BitcoinMobileApps.com = Matthew Green on 5/13/2013 BitcoinMobile.com = private registration on 5/11/2012 BitcoinMarketing.com = Epik, Inc on 7/29/2012 BitcoinAdvertising.com = private registration on 5/10/2011 BitcoinForum.com = private registration on 10/15/2010 BitcoinBlog.com = private registration on 10/15/2010 BitcoinETF.com = Omnipire Corporation on 9/21/2012 BitcoinIPO.com = John Gainor on 6/19/2013 BitcoinOTC.com = Epik, Inc on 12/18/2010 BitcoinATM.com = private registration on 4/11/2011 BitcoinBank.com = Chadwick Miller on 7/13/2010 BitcoinOptions.com = Eduardo Jesus Fernandez Corrales on 4/12/2011 BitcoinCalculator.com = private registration on 2/19/2011 BitcoinConversion.com = private registration on 5/9/2011 BitcoinMarket.com = Epik, Inc on 6/24/2013 BitcoinVolume.com = private registration on 5/3/2011 BitcoinPrice.com = Kendall Saville on 12/31/2010 BitcoinValue.com = Stein Galen on 12/31/2010 BitcoinValuation.com = Matthew Klein on 8/5/2013 BitcoinGambling.com = Jennifer Dromon on 4/22/2011 BitcoinLottery.com = Bradley Wyse on 7/26/2010 BitcoinFuture.com = private registration on 5/2/2011 BitcoinBubble.com = private registration on 5/2/2011 BitcoinTicker.com = Help.org LLC on 4/22/2011 BitcoinGraph.com = private registration on 6/6/2011 BitcoinGraphs.com = private registration on 6/19/2011 BitcoinChart.com = private registration on 5/11/2011 BitcoinCharts.com = private registration on 11/7/2010 BitcoinStock.com = private registration on 10/13/2010 BitcoinCommodity.com = private registration on 5/30/2011 BitcoinCurrency.com = Domain Specifics LLC on 4/12/2012 BitcoinInvestment.com = private registration on 11/24/2010 BitcoinTheft.com = private registration on 5/03/2011 BitcoinFraud.com = private registration on 5/2/2011 BitcoinTrade.com = Noorinet? on 10/2/2011 BitcoinTrader.com = Matthew Courtney on 11/26/2010 BitcoinTraders.com = Epik, Inc on 6/15/2012 BitcoinTrading.com = Richard Vialoux on 11/26/2010 BitcoinFoundation.com = private registration on 12/6/2010 BitcoinMining.com = private registration on 11/26/2010 BitcoinSoftware.com = private registration on 11/28/2010 BitcoinHardware.com = private registration on 5/3/2011 BitcoinComputer.com = Victor Suarez on 3/8/2013 BitcoinComputers.com = private registration on 3/28/2013 BitcoinPayment.com = private registration on 11/24/2010 BitcoinWallet.com = Eric Swanson on 7/13/2010 BitcoinMoney.com = DigiCoast on 11/26/2010 BitcoinFinance.com = Lewis Bowker on 4/17/2011 BitcoinNews.com = DigiCoast on 12/28/2010 BitcoinExpo.com = The Life And Times of Robert Sama on 6/15/2011 BitcoinConference.com = private registration on 4/19/2011 BitcoinWhitePaper.com = private registration on 11/24/2013 BitcoinOwner.com = TradeBTC on 10/20/2011 BitcoinCreator.com = Dietzer? on 6/18/2011 BitcoinFounder.com = Payward, Inc on 8/22/2011 BitcoinBroker.com = private registration on 11/26/2010 BitcoinBrokers.com = Epik, Inc. on 4/25/2011 BitcoinExchange.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 12/22/2009 BitcoinExchanges.com = Fred Madrid on 5/17/2011 BitcoinMillionaire.com = Coleman Parker Taylor Private Equity Ltd. on 6/3/2011 BitcoinBillionaire.com = private registration on 5/3/2011 BitcoinMovie.com = Jennifer Dromon on 4/23/2011
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IndiaBitcoin.com = Sunny Ray (speaker at conference below) GlobalBitcoinConference.com = Sathvik V? on 10/2/2013 (actual conference this month in Bangalore, India) ButterCoin.com = Carll Hoffman on 8/26/2011 (backed by Google Ventures) BitcoinTrust.co = Bitcoin Investment Trust (Launched by SecondMarket) Circle.com = private registration on 4/9/1999 (wow @ date and backed by $9m in funding)
BitcoinFoundation.org = private registration on 12/6/2010 CoinDesk.com = Shakil Khan on 5/4/2008 BitcoinTalk.org = private registration on 6/24/2011 BitcoinMagazine.com = private registration on 5/20/2011 WeUseCoins.com = private registration on 2/25/2011 UseBitcoins.info = Vassilis Vatz on 5/8/2013 HowToBuyBitcoins.info = Jonathan Waller on 1/1/2013 TheGenesisBlock.com = private registration on 4/1/2013
MtGox.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 1/2/2007 (interesting) CoinBase.com = CoinBase, Inc on 7/2/2011 (backed by $6.11m in funding) BTC-e.com = private registration on 6/17/2011 BitPay.com = on 11/15/2004 (interesting date, backed by $2.1m in funding)
Bitcoin.com = private registration on 1/4/2008 (wow) Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow) Bitcoin.org = private registration on 8/18/2008 (triple wow)
NickSzabo.com = Nicholas Szabo on 6/6/2012 SatoshiNakamoto.com = Jennifer Dromon on 4/22/2011
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December 08, 2013, 07:57:27 AM Last edit: December 08, 2013, 08:08:27 AM by ataulf |
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Very interesting... If Mark Karpelès registered bitcoins.org on 3/30/2000, has coding experience as his LinkedIn proves, and lives in Japan (whence the pseudonym), I think it's a match as to him being Satoshi Nakamoto! EDIT: might be helpful to rearrange your list of websites by date, from oldest to youngest maybe bold or italicize names that are related (ex. Jennifer Dromon or Mark Karpelès appearing multiple times)
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December 08, 2013, 08:24:57 AM |
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Thanks for your reply! Well, it's a bit tricky. You see, the date shown in the WHOIS database is a record of "registration" but does not necessarily mean it was the "date of origin" for a particular domain name. If a domain ever expires and then later is registered by another individual, the WHOIS will show the "new registration date" verses the original. And, more importantly, regardless of the official birth of the address (or date post-drop), the "name" of the registrant can be edited at any time. So for example, "BiggestBitcoinFanInTheWorld.com" could have a WHOIS date of 2/13/2012 but it could've been registered originally on 10/12/2002 and so you can not necessarily rely on standard WHOIS checkers for original creation dates. DomainTools is available for the most accurate data. And to be quite honest, there isn't necessarily any WHOIS police, so a registrant could edit or falsely the contact details to his/her liking. Or, obviously, just place the domain on private protection as many of my examples have opted for. And for the final example regarding the name record. Regardless of the date, an individual could have his/her name listed on a ten year old domain but just acquired it last week from the previous owner. So as I mentioned, it's tricky. Hope that makes sense. Thanks again for reading.
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December 08, 2013, 08:28:19 AM |
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Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tips? 1ELECeJompinDox61L73eAUyaWpe3Q5HZB Down with socks!
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December 08, 2013, 08:31:36 AM |
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Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nice whoever got it must feel so nice
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December 08, 2013, 08:35:25 AM |
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Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nice whoever got it must feel so nice Well that "whoever" is Mark Karpeles, the owner of MtGox!!!! Got it?
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Tips? 1ELECeJompinDox61L73eAUyaWpe3Q5HZB Down with socks!
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December 08, 2013, 08:39:15 AM |
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So Logically
1994 => NSA publishes paper on Electronic Currencies
1998 => Nick Szabo conceives bitgold
1999 => Circle is founded. Possible joint venture between Szabo Karpeles, and others.
2000 => Mark Karpeles registers bitcoins.com
2004 => Bitpay is founded, paving the way for a ready to roll bitcoin payment processor.
2004 => Mt Gox is founded, paving the way for a bitcoin exchange.
2008 => Bitcoin.org is registered.
2009 => Bitcoin is launched by Satoshi Nakamoto
correct me if i'm wrong but... whooooaaaa
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My negative trust rating is reflective of a personal vendetta by someone on default trust.
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December 08, 2013, 08:41:34 AM |
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So Logically
1994 => NSA publishes paper on Electronic Currencies
1998 => Nick Szabo conceives bitgold
1999 => Circle is founded. Possible joint venture between Szabo Karpeles, and others.
2000 => Mark Karpeles registers bitcoins.com
2004 => Bitpay is founded, paving the way for a ready to roll bitcoin payment processor.
2004 => Mt Gox is founded, paving the way for a bitcoin exchange.
2008 => Bitcoin.org is registered.
2009 => Bitcoin is launched by Satoshi Nakamoto
correct me if i'm wrong but... whooooaaaa
Yeah. This is really interesting. So all those sites like Bitpay, Mt Gox saw bitcoin coming
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December 08, 2013, 08:46:24 AM |
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Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Original bitcoins.com domain was registered by aanother individual, for project not related to "our" Bitcoin. Karpeles bought it later from him.
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If you don't own the private keys, you don't own the coins.
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December 08, 2013, 08:50:54 AM |
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Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Original bitcoins.com domain was registered by aanother individual, for project not related to "our" Bitcoin. Karpeles bought it later from him. OK, makes sense... Thanks.
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Tips? 1ELECeJompinDox61L73eAUyaWpe3Q5HZB Down with socks!
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December 08, 2013, 08:51:48 AM |
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interesting thread. is there any evidence that mark knew DPR personally? they seem to know each other.
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r3wt
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December 08, 2013, 09:04:02 AM |
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Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Original bitcoins.com domain was registered by aanother individual, for project not related to "our" Bitcoin. Karpeles bought it later from him. says the random hero member who may be covering for the identities of his friends
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December 08, 2013, 09:10:23 AM |
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Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Original bitcoins.com domain was registered by aanother individual, for project not related to "our" Bitcoin. Karpeles bought it later from him. says the random hero member who may be covering for the identities of his friends No need to cover anyone (I'm clueless also), but I find this kind of search rather obnoxious.
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If you don't own the private keys, you don't own the coins.
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December 08, 2013, 09:11:10 AM |
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So Logically
1994 => NSA publishes paper on Electronic Currencies
1998 => Nick Szabo conceives bitgold
1999 => Circle is founded. Possible joint venture between Szabo Karpeles, and others.
2000 => Mark Karpeles registers bitcoins.com
2004 => Bitpay is founded, paving the way for a ready to roll bitcoin payment processor.
2004 => Mt Gox is founded, paving the way for a bitcoin exchange.
2008 => Bitcoin.org is registered.
2009 => Bitcoin is launched by Satoshi Nakamoto
correct me if i'm wrong but... whooooaaaa
I'd add 2011 => Mt Gox is taken over by Tibanne Ltd., a company registered by Mark Karpelès in Tokyo, Japan
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r3wt
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December 08, 2013, 09:12:46 AM |
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Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Original bitcoins.com domain was registered by aanother individual, for project not related to "our" Bitcoin. Karpeles bought it later from him. says the random hero member who may be covering for the identities of his friends No need to cover anyone (I'm clueless also), but I find this kind of search rather obnoxious. it's pretty pointless. given the technical prowess of the inventor, these are probably all clues he intended for us to find.
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December 08, 2013, 09:23:39 AM |
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@Gusti:
I apologize that you feel like my research is obnoxious.
Let me explain. The information I provided was simply for fun rather than some wild attempt to locate the founder. Honestly, I could not care less who he or she or they are, but would like to publicly congratulate them nonetheless on an absolutely magnificent piece of work that has a chance to change the world.
As mentioned, for a living I work in the media consulting industry so I felt that my rare data should be shared within the Bitcoin community to stimulate the forum by providing evidence of the trends and ownership records of domain assets, no harm intended.
Take care.
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December 08, 2013, 09:24:59 AM |
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Bitcoins.com = Mark Karpelès (Tokyo) on 3/30/2000 (double wow)
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Original bitcoins.com domain was registered by aanother individual, for project not related to "our" Bitcoin. Karpeles bought it later from him. says the random hero member who may be covering for the identities of his friends No need to cover anyone (I'm clueless also), but I find this kind of search rather obnoxious. it's pretty pointless. given the technical prowess of the inventor, these are probably all clues he intended for us to find. why would he keep himself anonymous then? you mean he intended to set people on a goose hunt to find out his identity?
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December 08, 2013, 09:53:01 AM |
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@Gusti:
I apologize that you feel like my research is obnoxious.
Let me explain. The information I provided was simply for fun rather than some wild attempt to locate the founder. Honestly, I could not care less who he or she or they are, but would like to publicly congratulate them nonetheless on an absolutely magnificent piece of work that has a chance to change the world.
As mentioned, for a living I work in the media consulting industry so I felt that my rare data should be shared within the Bitcoin community to stimulate the forum by providing evidence of the trends and ownership records of domain assets, no harm intended.
Take care.
It's true that btc has gone far beyond what its creator(s) could possibly have imagined. However, I feel this research does corroborate two pieces of data we have about btc: 1. How politically distant "Satoshi" was from btc's community (privacy advocates, free traders, cryptography/cryptocurrency fans, libertarians, etc.) since its inception 2. How Karpelès has treated Mt. Gox since he acquired it - implementing trading caps, price controls, removing privacy to withdraw USD, otherwise interfering with the market It seems to me Karpelès/Satoshi came into this not as a part of the community but as someone interested in capitalizing off the niche, and the way he is running Mt. Gox now - like a state, basically - proves he is not particularly interested in liberty, privacy, et al. Just my 2 mBTC
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December 08, 2013, 04:44:07 PM |
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So all those sites like Bitpay, Mt Gox saw bitcoin coming A lot of people saw Bitcoin coming. Few people envisioned it exactly the way it works now. Nobody knew the full solution on how to create it so it would actually work, but there was a large crowd of mathematicians, cryptography enthusiasts and early digital currency developers who were looking into this. Hashcash was invented by Adam Back in 1997 mind you. Some people today were already trying to invent proof-of-work based currencies 10 years earliers and the public somehow lost interest. Plenty of fiction back then was already talking about the idea of digital credits. The words 'bit-coin' and 'bit-gold' 'e-gold' 'e-cash' were pretty popular.
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December 08, 2013, 04:53:24 PM |
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I am a bit perplexed by the first step here. So Logically
1994 => NSA publishes paper on Electronic Currencies
1998 => Nick Szabo conceives bitgold
1999 => Circle is founded. Possible joint venture between Szabo Karpeles, and others.
2000 => Mark Karpeles registers bitcoins.com
2004 => Bitpay is founded, paving the way for a ready to roll bitcoin payment processor.
2004 => Mt Gox is founded, paving the way for a bitcoin exchange.
2008 => Bitcoin.org is registered.
2009 => Bitcoin is launched by Satoshi Nakamoto
correct me if i'm wrong but... whooooaaaa
Isn't it a bit ironic that the system most use to stay away from surveillance is put in motion by NSA itself?
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