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June 25, 2014, 08:45:49 PM
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Here's a tutorial for the zk-SNARKs:https://github.com/scipr-lab/libsnark/blob/master/src/gadgetlib2/examples/tutorial.cpp

Very low level, and it doesn't demonstrate circuit loops, but interesting nonetheless. Looking forward mostly for the TinyRAM circuit generator.
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June 28, 2014, 05:06:32 PM
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How do you trust Zerocash, when the NSA could serve the creators of the setup parameters with a national security gag order on the eve of the public ceremony?

There are other advanced technical means that might be used to intercept the setup parameters even at such a ceremony, e.g. the NSA can reprogram the microcode of CPUs using built in backdoors and there is technology for jumping the air gap and intercepting the computations inside the computer.

And we will never know if the money supply is being inflated away since the money supply is invisible.

Potentially there is an alternative means of employing Zerocash in an altcoin which could ameliorate the above problem.

If a new Zerocash instance was created periodically, users were allowed to mint instance coins and then unmint (cash out) within a fixed period of time for each instance, then it would clear if the output cash out money supply was greater than the input minted money supply.

Since the creator of the setup parameters is unable to break the anonymity, anyone could create the setup parameters and if the money supply doesn't match after the instance is terminated, then that entity would no longer be trusted.

However there are still several things I don't like about this:

1. The complex unvetted new crypto could still potentially be broken by cryptanalysis over time. (and all the public history of anonymity would then suddenly be revealed to the adversary)

2. What to do if an instance's output money supply doesn't match the input? Ban all those coins? Yuk!

3. The entire thing rests on building reputations and reputation is a slippery slope to centralized hell:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557732.msg6501833#msg6501833

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July 06, 2014, 06:13:36 PM
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So this ever going to exist in real life?

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July 07, 2014, 02:28:07 PM
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So this ever going to exist in real life?

yeah, they want to release it in the end of 2014.

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July 12, 2014, 12:51:29 AM
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http://zerocoin.org seems to say that Zerocash will not be a new altcoin, but rather will be implemented into the Bitcoin protocol.

Quote from: zerocoin.org
Zerocoin and the Zerocash protocol operates in the Bitcoin network and is implemented as a series of extensions to the existing Bitcoin protocol. This approach means that Zerocoin can be deployed without relying on a central coin issuer or bank (as used in previous e-cash schemes). Moreover, since no single trusted party operates the Zerocoin system, attacks on Zerocoin must take on a substantial fraction of the Bitcoin network.

I think this is a wording issue where they just inserted "Zerocash" where they were talking about the original Zerocoin, but I may be wrong. Because http://zerocash-project.org still talks about Zerocash as a new altcoin.
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July 12, 2014, 01:18:33 PM
Last edit: July 12, 2014, 05:54:16 PM by LiteCoinGuy
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hello surfer43,

its a little bit confusing but believe me, nothing like this will be implemented in Bitcoin  Cheesy .

so i explain it to you:


old site: http://zerocoin.org/

new site : http://zerocash-project.org/

on the new website you can read:

"Zerocash extends the protocol and software underlying Bitcoin by adding new, privacy-preserving payments. In doing so it forms a new protocol that, while using some of the same technology and software as Bitcoin, is distinct from it. This new protocol has both anonymous coins, dubbed zerocoins, and non-anonymous ones, which, for purposes of disambiguation, we call basecoins."



stay tuned  Smiley

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August 09, 2014, 07:11:43 PM
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Hi folks! Can anybody say if I can buy(invest) in ZEROCoin now?

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August 11, 2014, 05:41:39 AM
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Hi folks! Can anybody say if I can buy(invest) in ZEROCoin now?

Regards.

you should take a look at page 1.

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September 16, 2014, 05:42:35 AM
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Any news?

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September 16, 2014, 06:51:11 AM
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Any news?
Soon™
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September 17, 2014, 10:14:35 AM
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nothing new. maybe in nov/dec. stay tuned.

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September 17, 2014, 10:24:36 AM
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I know that there is no news, but....

Does anyone have any information on how they plan on choosing the Zerocash security parameters in a trustless manner?

I've seen a few crytpic tweets from the team about this, and it seems like they have some ideas, but it is not at all clear to me how they are going to do this in practice.
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September 21, 2014, 03:24:51 PM
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September 25, 2014, 08:42:56 PM
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What's the likelihood of a coin implementing this? And which coin will it be? And why is it so difficult to implement?

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September 25, 2014, 09:04:17 PM
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A few coins are working on this. Seems its the holy grail of altcoins. I'd certainly buy a coin that had this implemented.
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September 25, 2014, 09:25:42 PM
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A few coins are working on this. Seems its the holy grail of altcoins. I'd certainly buy a coin that had this implemented.
There are a lot of coins who claim they will implement Zerocoin, but Anoncoin is the only one who has proven that they are actually working on this. They have already generated and tested the RSA UFOs that will be used for the trustless setup up zerocoin, and there are numerous commits made at github over the past two months that you can inspect showing that progress is in fact being made.

If other coins implement zerocoin, I suspect that they will simply fork Anoncoin.
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September 25, 2014, 10:02:44 PM
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When the coin is going to be launched?

Have read a little bit about the coin and it seems to me it has only pros and no cons. I am suspicious when there is no cons. Maybe I haven't just mentioned the disadvantages of the coin.
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September 25, 2014, 10:13:02 PM
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When the coin is going to be launched?

Have read a little bit about the coin and it seems to me it has only pros and no cons. I am suspicious when there is no cons. Maybe I haven't just mentioned the disadvantages of the coin.
One thing I would like to know about Zerocash is if it's possible to view the balances or not at will?
In Moneros case you have a third key. Called viewkey meaning that all balances on all addresses are private - until you give them the viewkey. When you give someone the viewkey to one of your addresses/accounts, the address balance can be looked up on in a public block explorer.

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September 25, 2014, 11:32:33 PM
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What's the difference between Zerocoin and Zerocash?

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September 26, 2014, 01:18:10 AM
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What's the difference between Zerocoin and Zerocash?

https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Zerocash
https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Zerocoin



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