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December 09, 2013, 09:42:33 PM Last edit: December 14, 2013, 09:57:16 AM by Mirsad |
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Der Bundesrat wird beauftragt, ergänzend zu den Punkten aus dem Postulat Schwaab 13.3687 „Die Risiken der Online-Währung Bitcoin evaluieren“ auch über die folgenden Fragen Bericht zu erstatten.
Welche Chancen für den Finanzplatz Schweiz sieht der Bundesrat bei Bitcoin und vergleichbaren Online-Währungen? Was spricht aus Sicht des Bundesrats dagegen, dass Bitcoin und vergleichbare Online-Währungen grundsätzlich wie Fremdwährungen behandelt werden? Welche regulatorischen Instrumente hat der Bundesrat, um für Bitcoin und vergleichbare Online-Währungen Rechtssicherheit zu schaffen? Sofern regulatorische Anpassungen erforderlich sind, welche sind dies und wie sähe der zeitliche Ablauf bis zur Umsetzung aus?
Wie der Bundesrat in seiner Antwort auf die Interpellation Kaufmann 13.3854 „Bitcoins und Geldwäschereigesetz“ schreibt, werfen Online-Währungen wie Bitcoin sowohl in wirtschaftlicher als auch regulatorischer und operationeller Hinsicht grundsätzliche Fragen auf. Sie sind rechtlich schwer fassbar, da sie dezentral organisiert sind und weder einen identifizierbaren Emittenten aufweisen, noch jemanden, der einen Wert garantiert.
Möglicherweise könnten diese Fragen beantwortet werden, wenn klargestellt würde, dass Bitcoin und ähnliche elektronische Zahlungsmittel wie Fremdwährungen zu behandeln sind. Damit liesse sich Bitcoin im Kontext des GWG, KAG, MWSTG und anderer Gesetze einordnen und es würde Rechtssicherheit hergestellt. Read and unterstand! The problem is that most readers can't read that well german... It states: "Possibliy we could answer these questions, if bitcoin and other electronic payment methods are threated like foreign currencies." What has this to do with the swiss considering BTC as foreign reserve? WHAT THE FUCK??? READ IT! Again: Das Parldigi-Kernteam hat sich in den vergangenen Wochen intensiv mit Bitcoin auseinander gesetzt. Die Nationalrätinnen und Nationalräte von SP, FDP, GLP, Grüne und weiteren Parteien sind zum Schluss gekommen, dass Bitcoin und vergleichbare Online-Währungen neben den Risiken (siehe Vorstösse 13.3687 und 13.3854) vermutlich auch Chancen für den Finanzplatz Schweiz haben dürfte. Ausserdem ist Bitcoin als Zahlungsmittel in der Schweiz bereits heute eine Realität, sodass es Sinn macht, Rechtssicherheit zu schaffen und Fragen bezüglich Mehrwertsteuer und Geldwäscherei zu klären. They did some research and concluded that Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies have risks and probably chances for the swiss financial place. At the other hand bitcoin is allready a payment method in switzerland and it makes sense to prove the law and ask questions about tax and money laundring.
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" Der Bundesrat wird beauftragt, ergänzend zu den Punkten aus dem Postulat Schwaab 13.3687 „Die Risiken der Online-Währung Bitcoin evaluieren“ auch über die folgenden Fragen Bericht zu erstatten.
Welche Chancen für den Finanzplatz Schweiz sieht der Bundesrat bei Bitcoin und vergleichbaren Online-Währungen? Was spricht aus Sicht des Bundesrats dagegen, dass Bitcoin und vergleichbare Online-Währungen grundsätzlich wie Fremdwährungen behandelt werden? Welche regulatorischen Instrumente hat der Bundesrat, um für Bitcoin und vergleichbare Online-Währungen Rechtssicherheit zu schaffen? Sofern regulatorische Anpassungen erforderlich sind, welche sind dies und wie sähe der zeitliche Ablauf bis zur Umsetzung aus?
Wie der Bundesrat in seiner Antwort auf die Interpellation Kaufmann 13.3854 „Bitcoins und Geldwäschereigesetz“ schreibt, werfen Online-Währungen wie Bitcoin sowohl in wirtschaftlicher als auch regulatorischer und operationeller Hinsicht grundsätzliche Fragen auf. Sie sind rechtlich schwer fassbar, da sie dezentral organisiert sind und weder einen identifizierbaren Emittenten aufweisen, noch jemanden, der einen Wert garantiert.
Möglicherweise könnten diese Fragen beantwortet werden, wenn klargestellt würde, dass Bitcoin und ähnliche elektronische Zahlungsmittel wie Fremdwährungen zu behandeln sind. Damit liesse sich Bitcoin im Kontext des GWG, KAG, MWSTG und anderer Gesetze einordnen und es würde Rechtssicherheit hergestellt."
Read and unterstand! The problem is that most readers can't read that well german...
It states: "Possibliy we could answer these questions, if bitcoin and other electronic payment methods are threated like foreign currencies."
What has this to do with the swiss considering BTC as foreign reserve? WHAT THE FUCK??? READ IT!
i can't read it, it all. ![Cry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cry.gif)
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Then ask someone who is a native german speaker or you'll allways have problems with such translations. This could lead to big missunderstandings.
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December 09, 2013, 09:49:02 PM |
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I can't wait till Max Kaiser turns on you idiots just like Bruce Wagner did.
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December 09, 2013, 09:50:17 PM |
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I can't wait till Max Kaiser turns on you idiots just like Bruce Wagner did.
He wants to sue me because he can't read german? HAHAHAHA... only possible in the states ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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December 09, 2013, 09:52:03 PM |
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I can't wait till Max Kaiser turns on you idiots just like Bruce Wagner did.
He wants to sue me because he can't read german? HAHAHAHA... only possible in the states ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) No he will scam you suckers out of your money in such a way that he has plausible deny ability.
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December 09, 2013, 10:04:58 PM |
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i can't read it, it all. ![Cry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cry.gif) Then ask someone who is a native german speaker or you'll allways have problems with such translations. This could lead to big missunderstandings.
Well since it seems you obviously can read German, I think adamstgBit was asking you for a translation. Are you going to translate for him as he asked, or just make mean comments.
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December 09, 2013, 10:07:00 PM |
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I can't wait till Max Kaiser turns on you idiots just like Bruce Wagner did.
He wants to sue me because he can't read german? HAHAHAHA... only possible in the states ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) No he will scam you suckers out of your money in such a way that he has plausible deny ability. How can Kaiser scam me out of my money if I don't give a fuck about what that pumper thinks or says?
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i can't read it, it all. ![Cry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cry.gif) Then ask someone who is a native german speaker or you'll allways have problems with such translations. This could lead to big missunderstandings.
Well since it seems you obviously can read German, I think adamstgBit was asking you for a translation. Are you going to translate for him as he asked, or just make mean comments. I highlighted the parts with the missunderstanding due to bad translation.
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December 09, 2013, 10:59:17 PM |
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I am no native speaker but have met Luzius Meisser and have been made aware of the lobbying work happening at the Swiss parliament. And while it is true that all parties in the Swiss parliament are discussing the legal status of bitcoin, I agree that Max Kaiser's piece of "news" about this topic is, in fact, a masterpiece of horseshit.
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December 10, 2013, 12:13:46 AM |
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a masterpiece of horseshit lobbying.
Agreed. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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December 10, 2013, 12:39:56 AM |
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The Federal Council has been ordered to report, in addition to "Assess the risks of the online currency Bitcoin " from the postulate Schwaab 13.3687, also on the following questions:
- What opportunities for the financial center Switzerland sees the Federal Council in Bitcoin and other similar online currencies? - What speaks, from the perspective of the Federal Council, against that Bitcoin and comparable online currencies will be treated as a foreign currency ? - What regulatory instruments the Federal Council have to establish legal certainty for online Bitcoin and comparable currencies? - If regulatory adjustments are needed, what are they and how would be the time shedule to implementation ?
As the Federal Council writes in its response to the interpellation Kaufmann 13.3854 " Bitcoins and Money Laundering Act ", online currencies like Bitcoin introduce questions both in an economic, regulatory and operational point of view. They are legally elusive, as they are decentralized and have neither identifiable issuers or someone who guarantees a value.
Perhaps these questions could be answered, if it would be clarified that Bitcoin and similar electronic payment instruments are treated like as foreign currency. Bitcoin thus would classify in the context of the GWG , CISA , VAT Act and other laws and so being established legal certainty. The Parldigi core team has been exposed with Bitcoin intesivelly in recent weeks. The members of the National Councils of SP, FDP, GLP , Grüne and other parties have come to the conclusion, that Bitcoin and comparable online currencies have risks (see 13.3687 and 13.3854 initiatives ) but probably also opportunities for Switzerland's financial center. In addition, Bitcoin as payment in Switzerland is already reality, so it makes sense to provide legal certainty and clarify issues relating to VAT and money laundering. (google translated and corrected the errors myself) Der Bundesrat wird beauftragt, ergänzend zu den Punkten aus dem Postulat Schwaab 13.3687 „Die Risiken der Online-Währung Bitcoin evaluieren“ auch über die folgenden Fragen Bericht zu erstatten.
Welche Chancen für den Finanzplatz Schweiz sieht der Bundesrat bei Bitcoin und vergleichbaren Online-Währungen? Was spricht aus Sicht des Bundesrats dagegen, dass Bitcoin und vergleichbare Online-Währungen grundsätzlich wie Fremdwährungen behandelt werden? Welche regulatorischen Instrumente hat der Bundesrat, um für Bitcoin und vergleichbare Online-Währungen Rechtssicherheit zu schaffen? Sofern regulatorische Anpassungen erforderlich sind, welche sind dies und wie sähe der zeitliche Ablauf bis zur Umsetzung aus?
Wie der Bundesrat in seiner Antwort auf die Interpellation Kaufmann 13.3854 „Bitcoins und Geldwäschereigesetz“ schreibt, werfen Online-Währungen wie Bitcoin sowohl in wirtschaftlicher als auch regulatorischer und operationeller Hinsicht grundsätzliche Fragen auf. Sie sind rechtlich schwer fassbar, da sie dezentral organisiert sind und weder einen identifizierbaren Emittenten aufweisen, noch jemanden, der einen Wert garantiert.
Möglicherweise könnten diese Fragen beantwortet werden, wenn klargestellt würde, dass Bitcoin und ähnliche elektronische Zahlungsmittel wie Fremdwährungen zu behandeln sind. Damit liesse sich Bitcoin im Kontext des GWG, KAG, MWSTG und anderer Gesetze einordnen und es würde Rechtssicherheit hergestellt. Das Parldigi-Kernteam hat sich in den vergangenen Wochen intensiv mit Bitcoin auseinander gesetzt. Die Nationalrätinnen und Nationalräte von SP, FDP, GLP, Grüne und weiteren Parteien sind zum Schluss gekommen, dass Bitcoin und vergleichbare Online-Währungen neben den Risiken (siehe Vorstösse 13.3687 und 13.3854) vermutlich auch Chancen für den Finanzplatz Schweiz haben dürfte. Ausserdem ist Bitcoin als Zahlungsmittel in der Schweiz bereits heute eine Realität, sodass es Sinn macht, Rechtssicherheit zu schaffen und Fragen bezüglich Mehrwertsteuer und Geldwäscherei zu klären.
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December 10, 2013, 01:36:49 AM |
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The Federal Council has been ordered to report, in addition to "Assess the risks of the online currency Bitcoin " from the postulate Schwaab 13.3687, also on the following questions:
- What opportunities for the financial center Switzerland sees the Federal Council in Bitcoin and other similar online currencies? - What speaks, from the perspective of the Federal Council, against that Bitcoin and comparable online currencies will be treated as a foreign currency ? - What regulatory instruments the Federal Council have to establish legal certainty for online Bitcoin and comparable currencies? - If regulatory adjustments are needed, what are they and how would be the time shedule to implementation ?
As the Federal Council writes in its response to the interpellation Kaufmann 13.3854 " Bitcoins and Money Laundering Act ", online currencies like Bitcoin introduce questions both in an economic, regulatory and operational point of view. They are legally elusive, as they are decentralized and have neither identifiable issuers or someone who guarantees a value.
Perhaps these questions could be answered, if it would be clarified that Bitcoin and similar electronic payment instruments are treated like as foreign currency. Bitcoin thus would classify in the context of the GWG , CISA , VAT Act and other laws and so being established legal certainty. Can you clarify the bolded word? In English, "clarify that bitcoin are treated" has a slightly different meaning than "clarify that bitcoin be treated". In the first case, they are suggesting that a standing presumption be made explicit. In the second case, they are proposing a standard into a void. My German is really, really sketchy. I can follow the translation in broad strokes, but a subtle point like this is far beyond me.
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17Np17BSrpnHCZ2pgtiMNnhjnsWJ2TMqq8 I routinely ignore posters with paid advertising in their sigs. You should too.
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December 10, 2013, 01:49:02 AM |
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i think its the former one, a "would have to" like
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December 10, 2013, 05:52:43 AM |
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Mirsad .. the same guy who predicted "double digits incoming" on 12/7/2013.
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December 10, 2013, 06:31:57 AM |
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Mirsad .. the same guy who predicted "double digits incoming" on 12/7/2013.
Hey, it's only been two days. Give it time. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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I have big time to decide who is the bigger bullshitter:
"the most pretty, the most clever, I always do the right trades and make profits though I talked completely different stuff yesteday, I live better life than 99% of World population, 13th Swiss generation Bosnian named" Mirsad
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"I'll talk any bullish bullshit about Bitcoin, bring crap about around 345678 millionaires entering Bitcoin, Litecoin, Quark or anything else I get my hands with some bribe on" Keiser.
The only bad thing is I don't know how Mirsad looks but he surely competes a twatiness of Keiser's face. He just has to.
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December 10, 2013, 06:40:51 AM |
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Mirsad .. the same guy who predicted "double digits incoming" on 12/7/2013.
Have you read the quotes? No... just stop trolling. That's my job.
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December 10, 2013, 06:43:04 AM |
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Mirsad .. the same guy who predicted "double digits incoming" on 12/7/2013.
Have you read the quotes? No... just stop trolling. That's my job. You don't know to troll papak, you're just bleso jedan obični ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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December 14, 2013, 09:57:41 AM |
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Push
More idiots posting bullshit about this postulate.
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