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December 17, 2014, 06:44:16 AM
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In Norway, companies drilling for North Sea oil pay a 78% tax rate on income...

Omg that is monstruos, no wonder why the oil markets are tanking, these idiot bureocrats just never learn from their mistakes.

Why is that too high? The oil belongs to the citizens of Norway and the majority of profits from it should go to the country.

Because the more they are taxed the higher the price will be? Guess what none of that money will go to the people, it will all go to the govt. and corrupt politicians  Roll Eyes
If you want it to go to the people then cut the tax , since the norwegian average car diver will be the only one that will suffer from high taxation/oil prices. (including small business which transport stuff with vans)

I though that the fact that high taxes are bad for everyone but the politicians, is obvious, but i guess it's not, are you a socialist or what?
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In Norway, companies drilling for North Sea oil pay a 78% tax rate on income...

Omg that is monstruos, no wonder why the oil markets are tanking, these idiot bureocrats just never learn from their mistakes.

Why is that too high? The oil belongs to the citizens of Norway and the majority of profits from it should go to the country.

Because the more they are taxed the higher the price will be? Guess what none of that money will go to the people, it will all go to the govt. and corrupt politicians  Roll Eyes
If you want it to go to the people then cut the tax , since the norwegian average car diver will be the only one that will suffer from high taxation/oil prices. (including small business which transport stuff with vans)

I though that the fact that high taxes are bad for everyone but the politicians, is obvious, but i guess it's not, are you a socialist or what?

Nope- not a socialist. Why do you think the oil companies should get free money from their countries resources?
And do you really think the price of oil is decided by the tax on the oil drillers in norway? The price is decided in very high places
in Saudi Arabia and their friends and of course supply and demand. Even if there was ZERO tax they would still sell the Norwegian oil at the current price in the world.

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December 17, 2014, 07:20:15 AM
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Nope- not a socialist. Why do you think the oil companies should get free money from their countries resources?
And do you really think the price of oil is decided by the tax on the oil drillers in norway? The price is decided in very high places
in Saudi Arabia and their friends and of course supply and demand. Even if there was ZERO tax they would still sell the Norwegian oil at the current price in the world.

Disagree, if there are plenty of oil competitors then the price of the oil will stay low , given that there is enough supply of it, which for now it is (although its rapidly decreasing).Nobody says that only 1 or 2 companies should drill that oil, big competition is the recipe for a healthy economy and free market.
If you tax it with 78% then defacto you get +78% more expensive oil, which of course the small firms and people will pay from their pockets.

If there is a trust in the oil market then thats another problem, but it is largely contribuited by the big taxes and the regulation. If you highly regulate them and tax the sh*t out of them, then obviously no new oil companies will rise to the top, and there will be no competition, thus the trusts could agree on the prices.

Not to dive into the other big one, the global QE program which is also a major contributor to big oil prices, which is caused by Keynesian nutjob central bankers by printing toilet paper money to debase the currency so every price goes up relatively to it.

So either way the politicians are the bad guys here.
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December 17, 2014, 07:32:03 AM
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Nope- not a socialist. Why do you think the oil companies should get free money from their countries resources?
And do you really think the price of oil is decided by the tax on the oil drillers in norway? The price is decided in very high places
in Saudi Arabia and their friends and of course supply and demand. Even if there was ZERO tax they would still sell the Norwegian oil at the current price in the world.

Disagree, if there are plenty of oil competitors then the price of the oil will stay low , given that there is enough supply of it, which for now it is (although its rapidly decreasing).Nobody says that only 1 or 2 companies should drill that oil, big competition is the recipe for a healthy economy and free market.
If you tax it with 78% then defacto you get +78% more expensive oil, which of course the small firms and people will pay from their pockets.

If there is a trust in the oil market then thats another problem, but it is largely contribuited by the big taxes and the regulation. If you highly regulate them and tax the sh*t out of them, then obviously no new oil companies will rise to the top, and there will be no competition, thus the trusts could agree on the prices.

Not to dive into the other big one, the global QE program which is also a major contributor to big oil prices, which is caused by central banks by printing toilet paper money to debase the currency so every price goes up relatively to it.

So either way the politicians are the bad guys here.

The 78% tax has NO effect on the price of gas for the people of Norway- they produce about 2.5% of the world production-not enough to have an effect.

I don't get how you think the oil company should get the oil they extract from Norway land- for free or very cheap.

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December 17, 2014, 07:39:11 AM
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The 78% tax has NO effect on the price of gas for the people of Norway- they produce about 2.5% of the world production-not enough to have an effect.

I don't get how you think the oil company should get the oil they extract from Norway land- for free or very cheap.

It's not just Norway that taxes it heavily, there are plenty of other nations that do the same thing, greedy politicians want all the money for the goverment to then use if for corruption or buy themselves government cars, mansions, etc. Believe me i`ve seen plenty of this, its all propaganda.

I suppose that you talk about foreign companies drilling in Norway (because obviously small Norway companies have absolutely no access to the oil mainly because of the regulation and the high tax makes them uncompetitive in the first place)

An other solution could be to implement some merchantilist policies, so that the oil drilled in Nw can only be sold in Nw, if you are concerned about "their oil", because its better to be merchantilist than socialist in my opinion.

But even then, if you are concerned that the big company is running away with all the oil, then highly taxing them is not the solution, banning it is lunacy, so the only option is to introduce new competitors, thus proving once again my point, so that the competitors to survive, then need less regulation and considerably smaller taxes.

Otherwise its only the Nw people who will get buttf*ck€d, not them, which you are trying to protect in the first place.
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Is God an idea that preys on our Existential Fear?

When belief systems are highly personal and diverse, they aren't dangerous movements. When they become commoditized, such as how the Roman emperor Constantine co-opted Christianity in order to raid the money of the popular movement, they are methods of mass mind control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds

As a person who was formerly interested in some of the astute logic of the Bible such as Matthew 7 where Jesus explains that judging is mutually destructive, i.e. teaching the value of mutual love and respect, I am coming to the realization that the logical basis for the Bible is archaic.

Wouldn't a God want to liberate us from our fear, not sustain our fear as a means of control?

So the Bible claims we have nothing to fear if we fear God and all humans follow the 10 Commandments, but not only does the Bible also admit that humans can't all follow the unrealistic 10 Commandments ("we are born sinners" and "we are filthy rags") but it even says we won't know our fate until after we die and our heart (and actions) are judged at the narrow gate. This unattainable perfection is the clever psychological ploy analogous to Lotto. Something you strive for but almost never achieve.

The 10 Commandments are about needing to trust each other, e.g. that your neighbor won't covet your wife. But we are now inventing technologies that enable us to trust the untrusted.

Perhaps the entire logical basis of the Bible seems to become irrelevant? Humans need to be empowered as individuals, not corralled into collective dependence. In this way, knowledge can be maximized.

The Bible's solution to fraud is to tell you to let the thief keep it and to expect your wealth to grow wings and fly away. It tells us to seek not wealth but faith. But if our wealth is stored in knowledge as I visualize for the coming knowledge age, then it can't be stolen and knowledge is less nebulous than (analogous to Lotto) faith. If everyone seeks faith and not wealth through knowledge, then production ceases. The Bible tells us not to worry about what we will eat, for if God can feed the birds then surely we will be given food. It tells us to walk with nothing from town to town and rely on the generosity of strangers, but if all strangers become faithful and everyone is walking with nothing, then who will produce?

How did this devolve into a discussion about religion?  ... This reminds me of my last Civ5 game and how ideology/faith points had no impact on my happiness, gold, resource, or productivity levels.  

Because government and religion are synonymous with collective dependence, psychological control, and thus enabling corruption by those are handed the power by these collectivized paradigms.

Summarizing my prior post upthread, the Bible and the government are both centralized paradigms, where the collective depends on each other. We need decentralized paradigms where the individual is empowered.

Gold is not a decentralized paradigm.

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But this competition of ideas is important. I for a long-time was caught up in Christianity because I am idealistic and I want to find truth. But at last after a long years of quiet reflection, I am revealing the inconsistencies and archaic attributes of it that I discovered.

If that means you think I am a heretic or gone mad, then I have to respect your belief system. A competition of ideas is good. The correct ideas win and humanity prospers for it.

My understanding of the Universe is there is no such thing as a unified reality. Thus belief systems are valid on a personal basis. We have no way to falsify a unified reality on a universal scale, i.e. omnipresence doesn't exist (unless there is a God that sits outside the Universe and note the Universe has no edge, c.f. my "The Universe" essay).

This is part of the equation. It isn't all. There are the reasons why God allows people to live. One of the big parts is so that they have time to convert to Christianity and be saved.

Saved from what? From punishment for being the imperfect humans that God created in the first place? Reminds me of torturing doodle bugs by creating a world in a Coke bottle experiment where they were outnumbered by fire ants.

Surely God knows that good can't be discerned without evil, just as light can't be seen without dark as contrast.

But there is something deeper going on here. If any entity creates a system of entropy, then that entity can not control it ALL OF IT, precisely because if there is a top-down controller, then all the entropy is destroyed because it is all deterministic (dependent on external control).

Thus God isn't doing any individualized punishing, sorry. Impossible. Either we exist or we don't and the serendipity (entropy) exists or it doesn't. You can't have it both ways. If God is meddling, then the Universe ceases to exist and he is all alone again. A God could be observing and then do a reset and destroy or reduce the entropy of our Universe to start over. A God could exert partial control, and leave some of the entropy to be free. But by doing this continually over time, the God's preference for certain outcomes would destroy all the entropy just the same and the Universe would be just a mirror of God. So what was the point of such a game? The God is alone all again with an exact or subset copy of himself.

Even if our soul was moved outside this Universe upon death, then it could not have any communication channel to this Universe, otherwise the entropy of this Universe would collapse. So what is the point if we have no connection to the being we were here in this Universe?

Sorry top-down systems don't sustain (and God must be eternal right?). They are temporary or partial Coasian barriers, lest existence doesn't exist.

My blog essays "The Universe" and "Information Is Alive!" provide more background.

P.S. we have a conscience because evil is a high risk activity, because it turns many forces against you. The best are technological advances which make it impossible to do evil, e.g. the decentralized block chain makes it impossible to direct debasement to corruption, the end-to-end principle puts the smarts at the edge of the network, so the intermediaries have no control, etc..

One rule; one law; one order; don't eat the one fruit. Eat all the rest. Don't eat that one. Honor God by obeying that one rule. After all, honoring God, and thereby glorifying Him, is what man was created for.

People couldn't leave well enough alone back then, and they haven't ever since.

The result is entropy. There was no entropy before that. Man brought the entropy.

Exactly. One boring nirvana with no diversity and very lonely.

Either God can't meddle or he will end up all alone again.

Sorry there is no mathematical way around this.

The answer to this isn't something that can easily be said in a handful of words. But "saved" is saved from our own self-destruction.

If we do evil, we increase our risk greatly of being destroyed within this life.

But the real issue here is the assertion of an after life and the claim that a God can punish us for eternity with fire, brimstone, repetitive disembowelment, and gnashing of teeth for eternity.

I do not see mathematically that assertion can be true. If there is any meaningful feedback loop between our Universe and the after life, then the entropy of our Universe collapses to the perfect will of God, meaning a copy of him and the loss of diversity.

On several levels, it appears to be story crafted from existential fear of darkness of night (can't grow crops without the sun) that morphed into a mechanism for mass mind control via propagation of fear of an after life that can't be falsified and doesn't make any sense from an entropic analysis.

I too fell into this psychological trap of believing Christianity because of my idealism and desire to belief in an order that protects good from evil. But my understanding has become refined and more astute (I believe although I am willing to entertain counter logic that is worthy).

The rebuttal is of course that to prove your faith it can't be certain, otherwise there would be no value to be faithful. I break down that logic in terms of the definition of love and mutual respect.

One rule; one law; one order; don't eat the one fruit. Eat all the rest. Don't eat that one. Honor God by obeying that one rule. After all, honoring God, and thereby glorifying Him, is what man was created for.

People couldn't leave well enough alone back then, and they haven't ever since.

The result is entropy. There was no entropy before that. Man brought the entropy.

Exactly. One boring nirvana with no diversity and very lonely.

Either God can't meddle or he will end up all alone again.

Sorry there is no mathematical way around this.

You don't understand what you are talking about. The people who live with God will have joys that are as diverse as necessary to please them.

You are missing the point that either they are perfect and thus a copy of God, or they are imperfect and thus God's will was not applied.

If you are speaking about the joys they have in this Universe while they are still imperfect, yeah they rejoice in thinking they are the few ones what won't be perpetually burned with fire. Yet they forget, no such promise was made to them. We are not allowed to judge ourselves and must wait for the narrow gate ex post facto to receive our fate.

There is no way a promise could be made, because it would be impossible to define. Because no human is perfect, so there would have to some sort of way to describe the infinite ways a human's life was and which of those infinite ways is acceptable to enter heaven. In short, it is nonsense.

They will glorify God for His great goodness, and He will glorify them for their recognition of Him. Very un-boring.

Exact copies of each other so nothing changes, nothing is alive, and nothing exists. Read my exposition of this in my blog essay, "Information Is Alive".

Good is not discernible if there is no contrast of evil. If everyone is equally good, then they are the same. A uniform distribution is the equivalent of no contrast, i.e. non-existence.

I am not advocating evil, rather I am saying that what some people call evil, is rather just diversity and disagreement. For example, did Albert Einstein cause the horrific deaths at Hiroshima? He knew his invention would eventually be used to kill, but he created it any way. Because to not create is to be dead.

Continue with your choice.

Smiley

You rejoice in superiority. Such a redeeming quality. Yet you forget, you've not been made such a promise.

P.S. I added to my prior post since you replied.

If you are speaking about the joys they have in this Universe while they are still imperfect, yeah they rejoice in thinking they are the few ones what won't be perpetually burned with fire. Yet they forget, no such promise was made to them. We are not allowed to judge ourselves and must wait for the narrow gate ex post facto to receive our fate.

Was speaking about the joys of Heaven. Isn't the hereafter the thing you were talking about?

But you've not been made such a definitive promise. So why are you so happy about what you are not assured to receive? (Not to mention that nobody has every verified the promise is not a fable).

It is probably because you don't want your idealism to die. This probably inspires you to act ethically in this life. That was my reason for following Christianity for a while. But it reached a breaking point for me recently when someone told me most people will face Tribulations in 2019. I couldn't reconcile how a religion could make people feel so hopeless. I'd rather keep trying to help the world (in spite of dark clouds looming on the horizon of potential global collapse and maybe even a global pandemic, etc thus appearing like a Tribulation such as the Black Death that killed 60% of Europe's population), than hunker down into a binary mode of either delusion of my assurance or fear of my impending doom. I realized this religion weapon of mass delusion is all about spreading fear and false pride. When religion changed from love to fear and doom, I realized I was in the wrong place and I started to think about it logically. Should I really live in fear or false pride? I thought it over and I articulated these inconsistencies which have been fomenting in my mind and writings for some years now.

But I am still idealistic. I believe we can work for ethical technological innovation. So what is the difference in our motivation? I believe I must act proactively, whereas you likely believe it is sufficient to conform for as long as you don't do what you regard to be evil.

Yet collective religion and the religious have done evil too.

I don't see a difference.

Exact copies of each other so nothing changes, nothing is alive, and nothing exists. Read my exposition of this in my blog essay, "Information Is Alive".

You seem to want to limit God. Math is a language of man, not of God.

If God can't talk to me in a language and logic I can appreciate, then what is the point?

If I just blindly and illogically accept delusion that suits me, then what sort of creature am I?

There is the whole problem of mankind. We fall into the trap of believing that we can out-think God. It all starts questioning whether or not God even exists.

If I can't discern anything, then why not be a Muslim or Buddhist instead?

You are telling me that Christians shouldn't think.

I don't want to disrespect your beliefs. Belief systems are a personal matter, because I understand diversity of thought is essential to existence as I explained in my seminal essay "Information Is Alive!":

http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html#Algorithm_!=_Entropy

First of all, I have come to understand that all religions originated from whorship of the Sun, and you can see that the story of Jesus is just a nearly exact re-enactment of the story of the Sun God Horus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD9f0XU_S78

Horus, Eqypt 3000 B.C.[1]
* Born Dec. 25
* Mother was a virgin
* Star in East
* Adorned by 3 kings
* Teacher at age 12
* Baptized/Ministry at age 30
* 12 disciples

Secondly, AFAICS you have not addressed the inconsistency I wrote about. I question your IQ if you haven't even recognized that you did not address my point. We are told to follow the rules, but we are also told else where that we can't judge who is worthy and this judgement is reserved for at the narrow gate upon on death from this world. Yet in the scriptures Jesus preached love, tolerance, mutual respect, and the scripture explains we are to have a circumcised heart meaning that we will be judged by our love as expressed through faith. Yet if we can't know for sure that we are worthy and thus mutually loved until we are judged at the narrow gate, thus this violates the very principle of love and faith, which is to assure us about our Existential Fear (see the so named section of my linked essay above).

The Bible is erudite in wisdom given the collective experience of mankind that preceded it.

I am not a person who haphazardly or flippantly argues inconsistencies in the Bible. For example, I have explained to those who say God ordered the killing of women and children in 1 Samuel 15, that God warned and gave the opportunity to avert this outcome in 1 Samuel 8, but the people forsaked him, his laws, and chose an earthly king, laws, and government instead. I have explained extensively in my writings how the people's myopia about government and collectivism is what leads to catastrophic economic failure, which I have recently explained is globally unavoidable from 2016 forward.

I remember debating with you in the past Jason Hommel forum about whether the Romans scripture to obey the government was in conflict with the direct order from the Lord in 1 Samuel 8 to not form a government (a.k.a. king). You seem to have a strong desire for absolute order and governance, whereas I prefer diversity of thought. I don't believe a God would create all this diversity only to squelch it in some set of unrealistic laws. Even the scripture says we are filthy rags and born sinners. Even Jesus spent his time with the sinners because he said that was where the most work could be done. You see that exactly fits with my mathematical understanding of the importance of diversity, which I elucidated in my seminal essays including the following ones:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.0
http://unheresy.com/The%20Universe.html#Edge_of_the_universe

Here is a music video which I exemplifies to some limited extent humanity in 2014 and the diversity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC0rffyn4_I
[Depeche Mode - Just can't get enough - Paolo Monti MEGA MASHUP 2014]

You will probably view that video as sinners who are focused on worldly issues and not focused in fear of God and Biblical laws. And many would see you as a kill-joy, curmudgeon.

In spite of my tendency as a Cancer zodiac to want to control those things that impact my emotions, yet when I am not sulking, I want to celebrate the human spirit. Freddie Mercury embodies my gregarious alter-ego (when I am not sulking) as exemplified in the following music videos. I remember the varied experiences of my life such as the one date with a boobastistic Puerto Rican girl who took me to a gay bar in New Orleans in 1993 before I took off to Philippines which became the fork of my life I been on ever since.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRt2jX1kaYo
[Queen - somebody to love]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdXlA6m2qrM
[Freddie Mercury last vocal interview before dying]

The following interview exemplifies that the only reason we know we exist (i.e. don't feel lonely, depressed, and useless) is because of the other humans who register in our feelings and creative mind, which is congruent with the logic and math in my seminal essays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBm1Qfpa_nY
[Brian May to RT: I still feel Freddie's around]

My analysis of you psychologically is you seem to derive your sense of existence, purpose, and meaning from viewing most of humanity as worthless, due for gnashing of teeth, suffering, and brimstone. You probably rationalize this as you are warning and offering people the path to avoid the worst.

I know intimately horrific pain. I suffered in ER then ICU for 3 days of uninterrupted fire burning inside without pain medication due to an acute peptic ulcer that had burst and was excreting acid into my abdomen and causing my internal organs to bleed. I can't entirely remember the feeling now, because it was so horrific, I wished at times I could die. The knowledge of the feeling was still palpable after I was released from ER.

So most of all us don't consider the question of what if we can't even die and the pain of hell must be sustained for eternity. If I had to endure for eternity that horrific, excruciating, DISEMBOWELLING pain I felt for only 3 days, I don't think there are words to describe how horrific this would be.

If there a God and a narrow gate, and we are judged based on the worst of our actions in this life, I am surely going to hell for eternity. I would have no hope in that case, so why even try? Just like Freddie Mercury, it is impossible to go through life sucking up all the diverse experiences without making mistakes. I didn't intend to make mistakes. I was hoping to create a happy life, and still hoping to. No risk, nothing ventured, then nothing ever existed, so we were never alive. Without evil, there is no discernible good. Without dark, there is no discernible light. Contrast is necessary in order to appreciate the existence of any aspect of diversity.

Thus I have formed the logic that if I were to subscribe to your perspective, the diversity of life wouldn't exist. It seems to be so counter to what a God would want in order to maximize (the diversity of and thus) his creation.

Sorry I have not been able to find any logical support for absolutism. But if it works for you, that is your personal belief system. The universe may have infinite realities, so we can each have the one that fits us. My sulking alter-ego thinks I need to have some control, thus those who didn't like the control in my reality, would be antagonists to my reality. Yet when I pursue my Freddie Mercury alter-ego, I can be congruent with more of humanity. Hmmm...

Thank you for sharing with me. I respect your beliefs and the effort and perspective that is important to you.

God bless.

P.S. Your prediction about silver was no great feat. I publicly predicted on marketoracle the exact $48 top in silver the year before it occurred. Armstrong predicted it decades before you did. I more logically inclined to believe the world will continue undergoing cycles indefinitely. I am not saying that you are incorrect, because nothing you write about is falsifiable until after the fact. And even then you might be able to argue that global economic implosion has been the Tribulation. If I survive, you may argue I took the mark of the beast or that I was worthy. I don't see how we can falsify these matters precisely. And that is the way it should be, because reality is relative and never absolute as I explained mathematically and meta-physically in my essay "The Universe".

> The Bible has no inconsistency on this subject.  In the very scripture
> where we are told to circumcise our hearts we are also told to "follow the
> rules".
>
>
> Deuteronomy 10:12-16 New King James Version (NKJV)
>
> 12 “And now, Israel, what does the Lord your God require of you, but to
> fear the Lord your God, to walk in all His ways and to love Him, to serve
> the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, 13 and to
> keep the commandments of the Lord and His statutes which I command you
> today for your good? 14 Indeed heaven and the highest heavens belong to
> the Lord your God, also the earth with all that is in it. 15 The Lord
> delighted only in your fathers, to love them; and He chose their
> descendants after them, you above all peoples, as it is this day. 16
> Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiff-necked no
> longer.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: contagion
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:56 AM
>
> I believe part of faith is accepting that only God can know whose heart is
> circumcised.
>
> But love should be mutual. Thus one should feel through their faith some
> calm and assurance.
>
> I can't rectify this inconsistency in the Bible.
>
> Circumcision of the heart is not about following the rules, but it is
> about faith and love of God. Even following the rules won't get us through
> the narrow gate.
>
> http://www.gotquestions.org/circumcision-of-the-heart.html
>
>
>> The woman you speak of is the righteous and blameless (those who keep
>> the old testament Law with a circumcised heart) in Revelation 12.
>>
>> Only they are taken to a safe place just like Noah who was righteous
>> and just like Abraham who faithfully kept the Law, Genesis 26.
>>
>> Revelation 12 says the rest of her offspring are left outside and they
>> face great persecution to see if they will give in to the Beast and
>> his system or keep the old testament Law with a circumcised heart,
>> finally.
>>
>> Those who say they are followers but do not keep the Law are left
>> outside.
>>  They are the unwise virgins.  They are outside the protection of the
>> wilderness.
>>
>> I don't predict the time, I declare it based on what has been given to
>> me.
>>
>> It is sort of how I was able a few years ago to "predict" silver going
>> to the $15 area when no one else could.
>>
>> If you knew the prophecies, you could add them up starting at
>> September 23, 2015 go 1260 days and know that Armstrong is dead on
>> regarding 2019 as that is when the Great Tribulation starts, the 1260
>> days (about 30 days after the Abomination of Desolation).  Armstrong
>> is almost dead on but using mere data to predict without knowledge of
>> the scriptures.
>>
>> The day sequence of the prophecies is 1260+30+1260+45.  You can add
>> those numbers on a spreadsheet to 9/23/2015 and know when things are
>> going to happen.
>>
>> But knowing when these things are going to happen does not do anyone
>> any good at all unless they decide to choose to live righteousness and
>> keep the old testament Law with a circumcised heart.  That is far more
>> solid and dependable than the laws of physics.



The end times are upon us...

What I wrote in email today... (hey don't assume you know if I am Christian or not...I may just be speaking from their perspective playing devil's advocate...but you will not know as I might be a Christian...)

> You are correct, the masses cannot be saved as they have chosen the false
> gods of Catholicism, Protestantism, Islam, Hindu, Buddha, or just plain
> old no god at all but faith in man (humanism)...  It is exactly as Messiah
> said, it is just like the days of Noah.
>
> The beginning of the end starts on September 23, 2015.  Just prior to that
> is the Shemitah.  There is nothing that can change this event.

Doesn't the Bible say that some old lady escapes the beheading the desert?
I think the Bible mentions about some finding safe harbors?

Where are you riding this out?

I saw a dead pigeon in my lawn today (in the Philippines and I never see dead birds here).
I read a new more deadly strain of
bird flu killed several hundred recently.  Armstrong says pandemic cycle
should peak again 2019 in a global plague.

No one can predict the time, as the Bible says. The history of the world
has been going through repeated cycles that appear much like the End
Times, e.g. 60% of Europe died in the Black Death.

One thing I learned about life thus far, is those who speak in absolutes
are crackpots. I guess there is a time to be proven wrong, but I don't
think absolutism has ever been correct in the recorded history of the
earth, not even in the Biblical great flood. Noah found safe harbor.

> Matthew 7:13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the
> way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter
> through it. 14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to
> life, and there are few who find it.

Forsaking money and body entirely is one route, maybe the only one to fit
through the narrow gate. Recall the parable of the rich man and easier to
fit a camel though the eye of a needle.

God bless guys.


[1] http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/christinegypt.html

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   Horus was born on "December 25th" (winter solstice) in a manger.
    He was of royal descent, and his mother was the "virgin Isis-Mery."
    Horus's birth was announced by a star in the East and attended by three "wise men."
    At age 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized.
    Horus was baptized by "Anup the Baptizer," who was decapitated.
    The Egyptian god had 12 companions, helpers or disciples.
    Horus performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised Osiris from the dead.
    The god walked on water.
    Horus was "crucified" between two "thieves."
    He (or Osiris) was buried for three days in a tomb and resurrected.
    Horus/Osiris was also the "Way, the Truth, the Life," "Messiah," the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.
    Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of the Father. He was called "Holy Child," as well as "the Anointed One," while Osiris was the KRST.
    Horus battled with the "evil one," Set/Seth.
    Horus was to reign for one thousand years.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/05/19/constantine-saint-or-just-another-political-fraud/

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Later in 321, we end up with Christmas being December 25th for Constantine instructed that Christians and non-Christians should be united in observing the venerable day of the sun, referring to the sun-worship that Aurelian had established as an official cult. This became Christmas since nobody knew the birth date of Christ.
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Any one who doesn't understand that tax is an enslavement paradigm is clueless. I am tired of explaining it.

And now for something more interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbhbpdWc-wE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFatCrUg8u8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvwqSMRtoSI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB8JXBTmHXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76XIRucXPtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fregObNcHC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqmRDV0a_70
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LzHXePgT9I&list=PL7D7F71BC947408BD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGwd63nAFlI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBCLgG_hF0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE3fOpVlIFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkQy7o-u8KI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_j8gVc0dJU&index=11&list=PL46F8D419F00825F0
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Great thread!

So, in the 3rd quarter of 2015, should we expect bitcoin  to start trending upwards and possibly being another bubble?
If so, do you have a number in mind?

+/- a few months

My guess is gold and bitcoin to a few $1000s after bottoming. It is cashing out without paying what I expect to be globally ubiquitous confiscation level taxes by 2017 (e.g. 90%?) that is the potential snag.
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What is coming is much more subtle slavery. The only way to permanently enslave people is when they don't realize they are enslaved. Those who are awake will feel the world is in some sort of Stepford Wives zombie, deluded blissful state.

So, basically the entirety of what Soviet Union was.
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In Norway, companies drilling for North Sea oil pay a 78% tax rate on income...

Omg that is monstruos, no wonder why the oil markets are tanking, these idiot bureocrats just never learn from their mistakes.

FYI, most of that tax money is going into a HUGE fund that Norway is saving up for when they run out of oil. They know they won't be able to sustain their oil funded social programs for long, especially once the oil runs out, so they are saving a whole lot of money into a fund that they hope will be able to sustain them for long after.

Ah, found the name and wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Pension_Fund_of_Norway#The_Government_Pension_Fund_Global
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In Norway, companies drilling for North Sea oil pay a 78% tax rate on income...

Omg that is monstruos, no wonder why the oil markets are tanking, these idiot bureocrats just never learn from their mistakes.

FYI, most of that tax money is going into a HUGE fund that Norway is saving up for when they run out of oil. They know they won't be able to sustain their oil funded social programs for long, especially once the oil runs out, so they are saving a whole lot of money into a fund that they hope will be able to sustain them for long after.

Ah, found the name and wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Pension_Fund_of_Norway#The_Government_Pension_Fund_Global

I grow weary of trying to explain the difference between bottom-up (free market) and top-down (collectivization, democracy, large corporations, religion) systems and the fact that only the former can optimize.

Any one who doesn't understand that tax is an enslavement paradigm is clueless. I am tired of explaining it.

Let me quote from that link for you.

Quote from: Eric Raymond - the progenitor of the term "open source"
The benefits of political market-rigging can be concentrated to benefit particular special interest groups, while the costs (in higher taxes, slower economic growth, and many other second-order effects) are diffused through the entire population.

...

There is no form of market failure, however egregious, which is not eventually made worse by the political interventions intended to fix it.

Political demand for income transfers, entitlements and subsidies always rises faster than the economy can generate increased wealth to supply them from.

Although some taxes genuinely begin by being levied for the benefit of the taxed, all taxes end up being levied for the benefit of the political class.

The equilibrium state of a regulatory agency is to have been captured by the entities it is supposed to regulate.

The probability that the actual effects of a political agency or program will bear any relationship to the intentions under which it was designed falls exponentially with the amount of time since it was founded.

The only important class distinction in any advanced democracy is between those who are net producers of tax revenues and those who are net consumers of them.

Corruption is not the exceptional condition of politics, it is the normal one.

The problem of collectivization of impacts is that individuals don't react with global optimization, but rather with rational self-interest which is globally destructive. Collectivization removes the degrees-of-freedom from individual actions of rational self-interest, and places the adjustments in the hands of top-down Czars, who can't possibly optimize each of the individual lives of the actual actors in the economy. In other words, a Tragedy of the Commons. Note however, the Knowledge Age may offer us the hope of an Inverse Commons which has the opposite result (it actually gets better the more we share with "open source").

This is why I compared this in the past to simulated annealing, which is nature's only known general optimization algorithm, i.e. the molecules in ice are allowed to locally self-organize if ice is top-down cooled more slowly, so the frozen ice is more optimized in structure with less cracks.

The constituents have structured their lives, expectations, life planning, investments, low birth-rates, etc based on a subsidy. This is inertia that can't be undone (old non-productive people, few socialistic indoctrinated youth). As I explained upthead, the Norwegian GDP (direct oil businesses + government reliance on tax from oil) is 50% dependent on oil.

And they haven't saved anything net. Their external debt is $700+ billion and their sovereign fund is 800+ billion and their annual government expenditures are $160 billion.

You see they are not prepared, because top-down collectivized systems can't anneal, only bottom up systems can.

I don't want to explain this again. This is the umpteenth time I have explained (argued) it.

Edit: please read the caveat about the expediency of top-down systems, that all bottom up systems are composed of top-down actors, and bottom up systems don't necessarily converge without some top-down incentives. The implication is there is an ongoing contention between the two forms of systemic structure.
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FYI, most of that tax money is going into a HUGE fund that Norway is saving up for when they run out of oil. They know

Yeah sure which will get looted by greedy politicians: Cyprus,Greece,Hungary, and now USA, yeah sure that pension is very safe there, when it takes only an executive order to loot it all  Angry

Obviously you underestimate the greediness and evilness of todays political era

Also bank accounts could be looted aswell, due to our magnificent and brilliant Keynesian fractional reserve banking system which is very sound and logical (or atleast this is what the propaganda says), only about 3-4% of the money is covered, so if there is a panic all banks freeze their accounts and confiscate some or all the money (current or debit accounts aswell) + the rest of it gets covered by taxpayer money, and even this is sometimes not enough, so it needs some additional money printing by the CB to cover this.

Meaning that if there will be (and it will be) the big crash, then nobody would be allowed to withdraw money from the bank and all funds will be lost. I`m not saying that keeping money under the pillow is better, because there too it gets vaporized by immense inflation, so the only safe haven is digital decentralized currencies with no goverment intervention.

Precious metals could be also a good idea, however that is too visible and could be confiscated by the state, so not a good idea. 


Are you an anarcho capitalist because i like your views?
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FYI, most of that tax money is going into a HUGE fund that Norway is saving up for when they run out of oil. They know

Yeah sure which will get looted by greedy politicians:

Ah yes add to my prior post that the savings is not in the hands of the actors in the economy, instead in the hands of the Czars.

Precious metals could be also a good idea, however that is too visible and could be confiscated by the state, so not a good idea.

Tangible money violates the end-to-end principle, i.e. we at the ends can't autonomously exchange it for another form of value, instead rely on a physical exchange with an intermediary dealer (between us and what would be the block chain in crypto-currency) which makes us vulnerable to fraud, government dragnet, and mugging.


Are you an anarcho capitalist because i like your views?

I suppose minanarchism (or more precisely Contentionism) best describes my current political-economic philosophy, only because of the realism that technology can't entirely eliminate the State so in order words the statism is minimized as much as technology can. Also I am not a capitalist in the traditional sense, because I theorized stored value is waning as knowledge capital takes over the future. But that doesn't make me a communist either. I am pro free market, i.e. free market anarchism.
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Ah yes add to my prior post that the savings is not in the hands of the actors in the economy, instead in the hands of the Czars.

Yes, until there are centralized money collectors (banks) , until then the state can always make up an excuse to loot them (especially the civilian money stored inside it, not the banks profit). Stupid people blame it on the banks, which is bullsh*t, the bank would never do such thing, as it hurts its reputation. It's always the state that is the most evil, i saw what happened in the USA, the occupy wallstreet BS, and it was a propaganda BS, as it blamed everything on the banks, when in fact it was the state that did all the evil there.

Huge taxation, Inflation, and extreme regulation is the most disgusting thing that i can imagine.They take advantage and humiliate the average citizen, and push it into the mud, while time to time giving him a bone (socialism) so that he doesnt feel so helpless, but throughout the life of an average person, he gets the worst from his state.

Yet, 90% of the population are still statist drones, so brainwashed that its disgusting.These mindless sheeps will never get it, the fact that slavery was never abolished in the 1800's, in fact its bigger than ever was, it's just that its hidden so well that you cant even detect it.

Every single day i see legislation depriving citizens from their rights, throughout the world, and its disgusting. Brave countries that once were remarkable turned into police states: USA,Canada, Switzerland, once were nice countries and now they are controlled by evil forces that want the total enslavement of all people.


Tangible money violates the end-to-end principle, i.e. we at the ends can't autonomously exchange it for another form of value, instead rely on a physical exchange with an intermediary dealer (between us and what would be the block chain in crypto-currency) which makes us vulnerable to fraud, government dragnet, and mugging.

Perhaps but then again, if the big collapse will happen worldwide, i think physical goods have their value, anything could happen to the internet, and then the crypto world could be endangered.

Of course the disadvantage of that is that the government can confiscate it, but atleast its physical.


I suppose minanarchism (or more precisely Contentionism) best describes my current political-economic philosophy, only because of the realism that technology can't entirely eliminate the State so in order words the statism is minimized as much as technology can. Also I am not a capitalist in the traditional sense, because I theorized stored value is waning as knowledge capital takes over the future. But that doesn't make me a communist either. I am pro free market, i.e. free market anarchism.

I disagree there, it is possible to bring total anarchy with capitalistic principles, because the state has never done anything positive ever. Nobody needs it, its just a burden in all of us, the free market could perfectly satisfy all needs.
For elderly/children/disabled you could set up charities. For civilian services like ambulance/firefighters etc you could set up a payment system, i mean everything could be privatized.

Sure everything would cost money, and there would be a money sign everywhere, but atleast there would be no opressor, only lazy people want free stuff, but even freedom comes at a price, the price of everything not being free is the price of freedom, because once you start introducing socialist elements and state elements, then you start to lose freedom.

Looks like people have chosen so far free socialist stuff but give up all their liberties and dignity to be abused by the state as much as possible, and now they cry that they have a police state, i mean give me a break Cheesy
These stupid sheepherd couldn't even tie their shoes without a government regulation and subsidies, damn these idiots who support these slavemasters  Cry

There is massive global Stockholm syndrome in the world, when i see a politician on TV it makes me vomit, but then again if they speak in an arena, 10.000 of idiots cheer them like if they were messiahs or similar, when in fact they are just slavemasters, and few months later they get tax increases and more regulation so that they get jobless and then they are even more dependent on socialist aids, its so disgusting.
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You may have misunderstood the part where I said I am between a minanarchist and a free market anarchist. What I mean is that we have to prove to what degree technology can mute or render impotent the power of the State. Pontification is not the same as implementation. Even though it sounds nice, the reality is that the State exists because humans disagree and fight. This is why for example Proof-of-Work was such a major technological breakthrough, because it enabled centralized trust of decentralized untrusted parties. Ditto the end-to-end principle pushes the trust out to the ends of the network, so the untrusted intermediaries are just dumb relays. Please see my prior post where I mentioned that some decentralized (insufficiently damped) systems don't converge and instead oscillate. It is not enough to just say "magic wand decentralized!". We have to actually build decentralized technologies that solve real problems. Also decentralized systems may have tradeoffs. For example, an entirely anonymous, decentralized economy means human trafficking may become less traceable. OTOH, government is the most egregious human trafficker, bribing our women (with inequality employment laws, welfare, subsidizing hypergamy, and divorce battering ram) to ignore men forsaking child rearing (birth rates have collapsed in Western nations where government is > 50% of the economy) and conscripting our men to kill each other in silly wars.

http://blog.jim.com/economics/the-future-belongs-to-those-that-show-up/
http://blog.jim.com/images/JapanFert4.png

Tangible assets are very illiquid without a market maker, because they are not fungible like money is (e.g. not every person who has a fish wants to trade for a gold nugget). The centralized intermediary ruins the end-to-end principle. I have suffered greatly dealing with gold dealers. Tangible assets will not scale to a knowledge economy. Sorry.

The government can never entirely take down the internet. We hackers are too resourceful. Heck we can even 3D print guns out of plastic and build contraptions out of junk we find in a gar(b)age (can).

For one thing, we can retrofit WiFi routers to form mesh networks across communities, then connect those with HAM radio or what ever.

Let them try to shut it down, it will be just like when they shut down Napster, which will incentivize us to produce decentralized solutions.

We do need to re-design crypto-currency to adapt to multiple chains, if regions are temporary unable to communicate with each other.

There is a lot of work that needs to be done in crypto-currency that is not being done on Bitcoin.

We are starting to win. Even Sergei and Larry of Google were hackers before they became famous.

Quote from: Eric Rayond - progenitor of the term "open source"
Oh. Wait. We did invent them. Where do you suppose Sergei and Larry came from? Why do you suppose they’ve been running Summer of Code and hiring a noticeable fraction of the most capable open-source developers on the planet? Well, here’s a flare-lit clue: before those two guys were famous, they sent me fan mail once.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/12/18/apparently-our-blog-is-now-suggested-by-google/

http://i0.wp.com/armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Google-Screen-Shot.jpg?resize=584%2C973


P.S. I don't agree with blog.jim.com on every point. Note he is the first person who ever communicated with Satoshi in a public forum.
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I disagree there, it is possible to bring total anarchy with capitalistic principles, because the state has never done anything positive ever. Nobody needs it, its just a burden in all of us, the free market could perfectly satisfy all needs.
For elderly/children/disabled you could set up charities. For civilian services like ambulance/firefighters etc you could set up a payment system, i mean everything could be privatized.

The math of optimal fitness requires anarchy to be contained and limited. The role of the state is to provide this constraint.

The need for anarchy to be contained can be shown analytically at its clearest in the simple example of a life form living on an extreme form of a fitness landscape which contains a single peak of fitness x > 1 with all other variations having a fitness of 1. With an infinite population there is a phase transition at a particular error rate p (the mutation rate at each loci in a genetic sequence). In Eigen and Schuster (1979), this critical error rate is determined analytically to be p = ln(x)/L (where L is the chromosome length). When this mutation/entropy rate is exceeded the proportion of the infinite population on the fitness peak drops to chance levels.

Life requires entropy to exist, but critically such entropy must be limited and contained. Entropy/mutation must not be allowed to exceed the error threshold. Error threshold was developed from Quasispecies Theory by Eigen and Schuster to describe the dynamics of replicating nucleic acid under the influence of mutation and selection.

If replication was without entropy no mutants would arise and evolution would cease. On the other hand, evolution would also be impossible if the entropy/error rate of replication were too high (only a few mutation produce an improvement, but most will lead to deterioration). Error threshold allows us to quantify the resulting minimal replication accuracy (ie maximal mutation/entropy rate) that still maintains adaptation.

The can be thought of intuitively as a balance between exploitation and exploration in genetic search. In the limit of zero entropy/mutation successive generations of selection remove all variety from the population and the population converges to a single point. If the entropy/mutation rates are too excessive the evolutionary process degenerates into random search with no exploitation of the information acquired in preceding generations.

Thus the optimum entropy rate should maximize the search done through mutation subject to the constraint of not losing information already gained.Any optimal entropy rate must lie between the two extremes, but its precise position will depend on several factors especially the structure of the fitness landscape.

It is also worth noting that at least with genetic algorithms natural selection tends to reduce the mutation/entropy rates on rugged landscapes (but not on smooth ones) so as to avoid the production of harmful mutations, even though this short-term benefit limits adaptation over the long term.

The informational value of socialism is that it smooth’s the fitness curve. Anarchy if left unchecked results in an ever steeper curve. This has been shown to reduce the rate of evolution/change as it forces convergence onto the nearest local valley or local optima.

http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1000187

Thus unrestrained anarchism increases short term fitness at the cost of long term optimization/adaptation. The proper role of socialism is to help ensure trailblazers survive long enough to eliminate economic friction. In a landscape with an extremely steep fitness curve those individuals may not survive or succeed (crossing those barriers involves significant cost). We can get stuck in a higher valley (of the N dimensional solution space).     

In its most extreme form anarchism can drive the entropy of society past the Error Threshold at which point information is destroyed rather than created.  A madmax outcome is indeed possible. It would arise from the death throes of excessive socialism. Like a spring pushed too far in one direction a system trying to find equilibrium is likely to overshoot in the opposite direction when the unstable order dissolves. In the industrial era the backlash lead to communism. The collapse of socialism may lead us to pure anarchy = madmax.

So we are really looking for is congruence or harmony (aka resonance and I have written about this w.r.t. to potential energy and even explored Tesla's work) but if we can't eliminate all necessary barriers then increased degrees-of-freedom in one sub-area might be suboptimal, ineffective, or perhaps counter-productive.

This is the key point. Unrestrained anarchism does not eliminate all necessary barriers. Instead it forces conformity to the nearest local optima effectively raising barriers to distant more global optima. I am an anarchist currently because the solutions of anarchy including anonymous cryptocurrency are what is needed to restore balance in our era. Had I been around at the dawn of the industrial revolution I would have been a socialist.


   
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Eigen, M., & Schuster, P. (1979). The Hypercycle: A Principle of Natural Self-Organization. Springer-Verlag.
Ochoa G., Harvey I, Buxton, H. Optimal Mutation Rates and Selection Pressure in Genetic Algorithms. Proc. Genetic and Evolutionary Computation Conference 2000
Clune J, Misevic D, Ofria C, Lenski RE, Elena SF, Sanjuán R. Natural Selection Fails to Optimize Mutation Rates for Long-Term Adaptation on Rugged Fitness Landscapes. PLOS September 26, 2008


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CoinCube is describing that unconstrained dynamic systems composed of autonomous actors can't always converge their solution space on a local minima, thus oscillate all over the solution space chaotically without any solution. An example in real life would be starting a new altcoin with mutated features every 5 minutes, so there is never any adhesion. Even ant colonies have built in constraints to their decision network (e.g. protect colony as highest priority, forage for food as second priority, protect self as third priority, etc), which enable them to accomplish goals.

...The role of the state is to provide this constraint.

...the mutation rate at each loci in a genetic sequence...

Life requires entropy to exist, but critically such entropy must be limited and contained. Entropy/mutation must not be allowed to exceed the error threshold...

It is also worth noting that at least with genetic algorithms natural selection tends to reduce the mutation/entropy rates on rugged landscapes (but not on smooth ones) so as to avoid the production of harmful mutations, even though this short-term benefit limits adaptation over the long term.

...In its most extreme form anarchism can drive the entropy of society past the Error Threshold at which point information is destroyed rather than created.  A madmax outcome is indeed possible. It would arise from the death throes of excessive socialism. Like a spring pushed too far in one direction a system trying to find equilibrium is likely to overshoot in the opposite direction when the unstable order dissolves. In the industrial era the backlash lead to communism. The collapse of socialism may lead us to pure anarchy = madmax.

So we are really looking for is congruence or harmony (aka resonance and I have written about this w.r.t. to potential energy and even explored Tesla's work) but if we can't eliminate all necessary barriers then increased degrees-of-freedom in one sub-area might be suboptimal, ineffective, or perhaps counter-productive.

This is the key point. Unrestrained anarchism does not eliminate all necessary barriers. Instead it forces conformity to the nearest local optima effectively raising barriers to distant more global optima. I am an anarchist currently because the solutions of anarchy including anonymous cryptocurrency are what is needed to restore balance in our era. Had I been around at the dawn of the industrial revolution I would have been a socialist.

...

We may not need the State to provide the constraint.

For example, block chains don't mutate every day. We are even having difficulty overcoming Bitcoin's inertia to improve upon it.

Instead we may end up with (even anonymous) benevolent dictators such as Linus Torvalds, who lead the way.

The State (and group religion) is (are) merely an obfuscation of which Czars are pulling the strings behind the curtain, and their motivations to rape the population.

There will never be 100% anarchy, because it doesn't converge on any outcome. Always there will be leaders.

The key distinction in my mind is as follows.

Unlike the unabortable collectivized constraint models, decentralization technology (e.g. open source, PoW, and end-to-end principle) enable bottom up competition for leadership.

May I kindly suggest Nokia (Symbian) and Apple (iOS) didn't prove that installed base network effects in 2008 were unassailable. Android was a paradigm shift. The smartphone market battle is over given Android is approaching 80% market share and a billion users. The crypto-currency market battle has only just begun. It appears possible the same category of weakness may exist for Bitcoin et al, as did for iOS and Symbian; they may not be optimally open ecosystems thus scale less than optimally. I can't state this with certainty, but it is something worth pondering.

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Not to mention, this alleged power is meaningless considering the amount of military hardware in local police's hands and all the hollow points that homeland security has when you compare all that to the small amount of actual militia types that would have the mindset to engage such a large occupying force. These politicians stacked up their legions to protect them from us in the end.

Please enlighten me, where is the instruction manual for shooting a paradigm shift?
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Folks we are frogs being slowly boiled to death. Only a few of us see what is coming in terms of 90% taxation and confiscation of wealth.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/12/18/japan-considering-exit-tax-to-leave-country/

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Japan Considering Exit Tax to Leave the Country

The trend on a global basis is getting really scary. Our forecasts have been computer generated and are by no means my PERSONAL opinion of what I would like to see. This is getting to be really horrible as government simply go after more and more money without any consideration what happens when you have extorted everyone and there is nothing left?  Japan is now moving to become the latest country to consider taxing wealthy individuals who move abroad to take advantage of lower rates or to simply guard their freedom.

Governments look upon the people as the great unwashed. We were born to serve their special interests and have no rights even to exist. What we earn and produce belongs to government and we should be grateful that they allow us to play with some toys. Now the Japanese ruling party lawmakers are proposing an “exit tax” under which people with over ¥100 million ($857,000) in financial assets would have to pay a tax on any unrealized capital gains on those assets if they moved out of Japan.

We are economic slaves – nothing more.


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/12/17/eu-looking-to-centralize-corporate-taxes/

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EU Looking to Centralize Corporate Taxes

President Jean-Claude Juncker of the EU has instructed all member countries to provide information on their tax decisions (breaks) provided corporations to the authorities in Brussels from 2010 to 2013. Brussels is now on the offensive to raise money and they are now targeting international business. Taxes should be determined whether competition is distorted by selective tax breaks in the internal market within Europe. The hunt for taxes is expanding everywhere.


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/12/17/german-socialists-so-eager-to-destroy-germany/

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German Socialists So Eager To Destroy Germany

After the exemption rule inheritances and gifts are then relieved when in the course of the transfer of the jobs are largely protected. The operation was allowed to continue for five years and kept the employment stable during this transition period. Eventually, 85 percent of the tax will then be due. Exempt from this payroll clause arewere companies with up to 20 employees, almost 90 percent of all companies.

[Now] With the German high court ruling on inheritance tax, the SPD-Left has introduced a new proposal in Germany. This alone illustrates the collapse in the world economy because of socialism that is underway.  The German socialists want to seize small business that employ about 70% of the civil work force globally. When a company’s heir has a tax liability for inheritance that they cannot pay, the state will seize access to shares in the company of family. The state will then destroy the business selling the assets for taxes since they are incapable to managing such a concern.


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/07/18/who-is-in-that-hated-top-1-could-it-be-you/

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Who is in that Hated top 1% – Could it be You?

IF you make $100,000 a year (salary and investment), you are in the top 1% and those like Piketty hate your guts. And the Press love this guy.




http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/22/the-cadillac-tax-obama-will-all-your-benefits-as-part-of-obamacare/

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Whenever the government enacts some program there is always a hidden agenda. Bush Senior had to veto the Clean Water Act because the add-ons that had nothing to do with clean water exceeded the cost of the clean water by about double.

In Australia they called it the luxury tax that they would go after the fur coats, French wines, and Ferrari sports cars. The dumb people cheered – ya – go get ‘em. The tax passed and what was included? All electrical products.

OBAMACARE was perhaps the most toxic enactment ever to be implemented by the Democrats using the poor to raises taxes on the working class – not even the “rich”.

Not only will OBAMACARE cap small business from expanding due to its massive penalties, but it will soon begin to tax benefits employers give workers. At the discretion of the government, they will be able to move the line at which any benefit that exceeds some arbitrary number not adjusted for inflation will become taxable income. The Obama secret agenda has been to raise taxes in every possible manner and OBAMACARE was the typical political way to get people to cheer for raising their own taxes. Obama wants to personally raise taxes back to 70% but without the deductions and to include ALL benefits as income.

EVERYONE who gets healthcare as a benefit, including retired persons who have worked for the private or public sector, will wake up and find that those benefits are suddenly TAXABLE income. Yes – that is correct. If it costs your employer $1000 per month for your healthcare, that will be taxable income. Hence, you will pay about $4,000 more in taxes for benefits worth $12,000.

This is the real reason Obamacare should be repealed. It would have been cheaper to just pay the medical expenses of the 8 million who signed up than to tax the other 300 million.

The coming decline in the Economic Confidence Model after 2015.75 will be the worst decline since the Great Depression because these people are destroying world trade, causing capital to hoard rather than invest and create jobs, and then the agenda is to raise taxes back to 70% while eliminating CASH to prevent people from avoiding taxes.


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/10/30/crowd-walks-out-on-obama/

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The Democrats are likely to lose the Senate and they feel that he is the leading cause. Just wait for the worst of the Obamacare to hit when people are taxed on benefits and the IRS starts seizing people’s houses and property just for fun. Of course Obama delayed that part until 2016 when he gets to go out-of-town.


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/08/20/the-obama-dark-age/

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Suspending the deadline for the Obamacare mandate [until 2016] that requires large employers to provide health insurance for their workers that was supposed to begin on Dec. 31, 2013 was a political decision that he does not want to take effect until he leaves office for it will cause serious rise in unemployment. Any company with even slightly more than 50 employees will fire all excess to avoid such expenses. Others will split companies and still others will hire temp employees if not move to contract status rather than employee status. This will also set in motion the end of pensions.


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/01/03/what-was-in-the-fiscal-cliff-bill/

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Despite the news pretending taxes went up on the rich, sorry, they got everyone. The Payroll Tax Cut was allowed to Expire. While technically not part of the new law, Congress has let the temporary reduction in payroll taxes expire. Wage earners in all brackets will feel the pain of this expiration in their take-home pay starting now. The will see about a 2% increase in taxation.



Use higher taxes to force all savings into government bonds, so that all savings can be nationalized for corruption.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/01/29/cycles-obamas-tax-free-bonds/

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Obama is using the Executive Order to create tax-free bonds because the Fed bought back long bonds under QE and now cannot resell them. They fear they cannot sell bonds to China and need to regain their sovereignty so they can act irresponsibly and not have to answer to anyone. To accomplish that, they need to sell bonds to the average person and are making them tax-free to do so. We are following the Japan model whereby their debt is the worst in the world, but it is domestically held and the USA now sees that as the solution.


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/12/14/the-three-bombshells-tucked-inside-the-continuing-resolution-to-fund-the-govt/

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This provision would allow the promised pension benefits of up to 1.5 million workers and retirees to be cut. It would affect the pooled pension plans — called multiemployer plans — of mostly union workers across a bunch of companies, where it looks like the plans won’t be able to cover full benefits in coming decades.


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/30/obama-is-ready-to-impose-tolls-on-all-interstate-highways/

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I have reported that Obama’s dream is to reverse the Reagan Tax Cuts (Not Bush) and return everything to the 70% tax rate. His cronies in the IMF put out a paper saying the US should match France and going to 80%. Thomas Piketty  is also at the 80% level and its being cheer by the total socialist in Princeton – Paul Robin Krugman.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT, he is proposing installing a toll on all federal interstate highways. Obama is completely nuts.


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2012/09/02/obamacare-the-death-squads-maybe-real/

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Obamacare – The Death Squads maybe real.
Posted on September 2, 2012 by Martin Armstrong   

I have not been able as yet to verify the veracity of this subject. It is offered for your consideration. The Death Squads maybe real. Thanks Obama.

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    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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I know man, i`m a peaceful guy, i dont wish for any revolution or anything, because i know that any kind of revolution (especially a proletarian one) will cause more havok that it was before. Because no matter what the intention of the revolutioners were, guess what the leader of the revolution will be the new opressor after that, and will treat the opposition as the new enemy.

Thats not the solution, no matter what change will happen, it must be a peaceful intelectual one. I prefer to call it an intellectual Renaissance.Or the 2nd renessaince.

In the First Renaissance we crippled the powers of the organized religions (which still unfortunately exist, but not that influential anymore, atleast not in the western world).
The Second Renaissance will cripple the powers of the corrupted states worldwide, and only after that the human race shall know peace and real prosperity, or utopia of any kind depicted by some Hollywood movies.

And I completely agree with you man, i dont know why you disagree with me, i just say what you said, because i know that any organized opposition will cause only more civil war and unrest. It must be a peaceful intelectual resistance, and for that we need to educate the zombie minded sheeple about this.

Technology can be a great helper, but also a great opressor (based on who is using it). If people use it then we can build decentralized economies, if the government uses it, it will build mass surveilance grids and spying softwares.

So who is more eligible for using it? Cheesy

This is a competition between decentralized free market and corrupted organized states, the competition is big, and whomeves has better things to offer will win. Obviously in the long term the state will lose, as it has nothing to offer but taxes, regulation and war, which one day could destroy the human race.

The only way that we can survive as a race is to put our minds together and invent alternatives to everything centrally controlled, if not then the next Stalin clone will destoy the human race.

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