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December 11, 2013, 10:20:58 AM |
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BFL prices were set a long time ago and are now completely crazy. The only reason they sell anything at those prices is because they can supply from stock, and a miner in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Black Arrows prices are probably realistic as 100G in March will not be anything to get excited about and as it seems to be made with only one ASIC it will be pretty cheap to manufacture.
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guytechie
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December 11, 2013, 01:32:22 PM |
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Do they respond to emails? They haven't with me. It's in regards to my order and if it's till. laid for me to send payment.
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December 11, 2013, 03:20:58 PM |
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Do they respond to emails? They haven't with me. It's in regards to my order and if it's till. laid for me to send payment.
They do, but at a large delay. They're probably swamped with emails like minersource...probably. It's been stated they're certain that they will deliver exactly on or near February 24th. I'm not sure if this comes from pure confidence or a highly efficient production line. |
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philipma1957
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December 11, 2013, 03:22:09 PM |
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Even if Black Arrow delivers in time,iits still 2 and a half months away.By that time bitcoin difficulty will increase so much that we wont earn coins anywhere close like we are calculating now.
wrong. black arrow is due in 60 -75 days 5 or 6 diff adjustments. do your math at 30% you get this 908 mill now 1180 mill dec 22 1535 mill jan 4 1995 mill jan 16 2594 mill jan 28 3372 mill feb 9 4384 mill feb 21 machine comes in you have 2th it earns about .25 coins a day if coins stay at 1000 you would have a chance to turn a profit. at just 27 % that feb 21 number is 3000 mill machine comes in you earn .334 coins a day if coins stay at 1000 you would most likely make money lastly at 25% that feb 21 number is 2775 machine comes in you earn .36 btc a day if coins are at 1000 you would get into the range of good money made just drop done a little more to 20% you get 2260 mill machine comes in you earn .44 btc a day at 1000 a coin you will do very well. many ifs Your logic didn't work for the past three difficulty jumps otherwise we would have been at 1 billion already. Don't use doubling math. I think you have not a real understanding of what I wrote. I have 4 cases up to the feb 25 date one at 30% gets to 4383 mill two at 27% gets to 3000 mill three at 25% gets to 2775 mill four at 20% gets to 2260 mill any of them could happen. worse case 4383 best case 2260 mill. and this has not included the price of btc will it be 200 usd 1000 usd 2000 usd so many ifs |
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December 11, 2013, 05:12:09 PM |
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For whatever my anecdote is worth, they were responsive when I placed an order on their website, and emailed me to send payment to an address, but have not responded to any further emails I have sent to them. I was not able to submit payment within 24 hours and have been trying to reach someone to resolve the status of my order. It's been almost a week now  |
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Meltdow
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December 11, 2013, 08:57:21 PM |
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I want hardware and "cloud-mining" so bad from them... but I also still dont know if they are reliable or not. When asking if I can visit them, I did not get any reply, which is not a good sign. But maybe I am wrong and just miss a good opportunity..... Its really really hard....  |
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ninjaboon
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December 12, 2013, 10:45:40 AM |
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I have been looking at Black Arrow Software from last month.Their prices are too low compared to Butterflylabs(BFL) and Kncminer:
Black Arrows' Prospero X-1 (100Ghash/second) is $352 only where BFL's 50 GH/S BITCOIN MINER is $2500
Black Arrows' Prospero X-3 (2000Ghash/second) is $5950 where BFL's 600 GH/S BITCOIN MINING CARD is $4680 and Kncminer's Neptune (3000Ghash/sec) is $13000
Black Arrow's Rent-Some-Minions - 6 months for 1000Ghash/sec is $3050 and BFL's 1Ghash/sec for 1 year is $10.83 that's $5.415/6month.Now for 1000hash/sec it's $5415/6month.
As you can see in every product Black Arrow's price is just too unimaginably low.They are based in China which also makes a suspicion in me if they are legit or not.Also they don't allow group buys.They start shipping from February next year.I don't see any other provider offering anything at that price not even close to them.
They have phone numbers for China,Hong Kong,UK and US.So are they real or just a scam?Waiting to hear from specialists here.
Same perception I had a year ago. Ordered some ASIC miners from the BTCfpga team (USA). They tanked. Should have bought Avalon units (China) . Still banging my head. |
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ninjaboon
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December 12, 2013, 10:46:41 AM |
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For whatever my anecdote is worth, they were responsive when I placed an order on their website, and emailed me to send payment to an address, but have not responded to any further emails I have sent to them. I was not able to submit payment within 24 hours and have been trying to reach someone to resolve the status of my order. It's been almost a week now try opening a support ticket and tag it as Critical. |
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December 12, 2013, 02:19:19 PM |
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Even if Black Arrow delivers in time,iits still 2 and a half months away.By that time bitcoin difficulty will increase so much that we wont earn coins anywhere close like we are calculating now.
wrong. black arrow is due in 60 -75 days 5 or 6 diff adjustments. do your math at 30% you get this 908 mill now 1180 mill dec 22 1535 mill jan 4 1995 mill jan 16 2594 mill jan 28 3372 mill feb 9 4384 mill feb 21 [...] Almost correct, but with a 30% increase in difficulty, the 2016 block period is shortened equally (to below 11 days; 14/1.3=10.77). Correct calculation for 30% difficulty increase: date diff in mio. time frame for 2016 blocks
10 Dec 13 908 10,77
20 Dec 13 1.180 10,77
31 Dec 13 1.535 10,77
11 Jan 14 1.995 10,77
22 Jan 14 2.593 10,77
1 Feb 14 3.371 10,77
12 Feb 14 4.383 10,77
23 Feb 14 5.698 10,77
6 Mar 14 7.407 10,77
I expect the difficulty increase to slow down a bit. Currently there are roughly 6.5 PH/s running. To boost that up to a difficulty of 7400 million until beginning of march, you need another 46 PH/s added to the Bitcoin network. The total amount of PH/s (that is yet announced, but needs to be delivered) for 2014 is only a bit more than 20 PH/s. Even with the late delivery that was announced for 2013 (and that may happen in early 2014) it can be doubted that the total network speed will reach more than 50 PH/s by beginning of march 2014. But who knows... |
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bittymymitty
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December 13, 2013, 03:13:37 AM |
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I was tempted to put in an order, but running the numbers, you'll be lucky if you break even by the time it ships, and that's assuming you get close to 100% utilization. If it's as new as they claim it is..there's gonna be duds, knowing my luck I'll get one of them. Buying server time seems to give best returns for minimal risk.
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December 13, 2013, 08:40:00 PM |
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Actually two post's down they state it wasnt the boards causing the issue's..... |
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December 14, 2013, 04:46:27 AM |
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Friend at the MGM bitcoin conference said that the Hashfast Babyjet is officially real, and 400ghps. There's a lot of this stuff coming online soon. If you have equipment that is getting less than 1ghps per watt, I would really suggest you offload it to an enemy soon.  |
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rammy2k2
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December 14, 2013, 10:25:34 AM |
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Its a real company with a proven trackrecond supplying FPGA miners. There is very little to no doubt their asic project is genuine. Whether or not they will be able to deliver what they promise when they promise, is anyone's guess, but that goes for every other company out there.
What about the pricing,is it real? Lol on this |
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takagari
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December 14, 2013, 10:18:13 PM |
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Its a real company with a proven trackrecond supplying FPGA miners. There is very little to no doubt their asic project is genuine. Whether or not they will be able to deliver what they promise when they promise, is anyone's guess, but that goes for every other company out there.
What about the pricing,is it real? Lol on this Why the Lulz? Obviously a real company would have fake prices |
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December 14, 2013, 11:21:51 PM |
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Just saying I have physically stood in their offices... and provided plenty of pics about the trip over on the black arrow thread.
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takagari
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December 15, 2013, 12:09:39 AM |
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So where does all this leave us at?
You understood both of our comments were sarcasm right?... Either buy or don't buy, there is no maybe. |
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December 15, 2013, 09:30:56 PM |
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Blackarrow will deliver the goods, on time. I will be selling my X-1's for a grand each when they arrive. They will sell out in 2 hours.
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