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December 11, 2013, 08:18:08 AM
Last edit: December 17, 2013, 08:25:17 AM by DyslexicZombei
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{Posting here, as there's increasing interest in LTC GBs and there is no equivalent LTC GB forum available}

You asked for a Litecoin Group Buy or mining contracts...so we responded with a Litecoin Group Buy!

These are Group Buys to own fractional ownership of DZ MC Ultra Power Rigs capable of 3.6 to 4 MH/s in Scrypt hashrate. Each sub-round in R20 will Feature four (4) ATI Radeon R9 R290x GPUs with 4 GB of GDDR5 per GPU. These are the Lamborghinis of the Scrypt mining world.

This LTC GB is meant for those looking to diversify from BTC Buy/Hold, and BTC GBs into Litecoin GBs. Litecoin is now widely seen as the "Silver" to Bitcoin's "Gold"-like standard, and has had massive appreciation in value recently. The network difficulty growth is also much lower in Scrypt mining.

12/11 Clarification:

** We will be doing multipool, even multi-coin mining. I listed this as an LTC GB but we will definitely be mining some of the better known ALT coins when it makes sense, as we're big fans of triangular arbitrage. Payouts will be in LTC (please leave your LTC wallet address for payouts in order comments or send a follow up support ticket) **

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To reserve shares automatically and for easiest spreadsheet export,
please visit the new DZ Miner's Coop website.


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25 shares are available in each rig. Each share gives you 1/25th of the rig's hashrate (minus low cost professional hosting/management fees).

If this GB sells out, we simply open up another sub-round called R20B. We can repeat this as needed, as R20x doesn't face the same hardware shortages that are often found in the ASIC Bitcoin miner world, since GPUs and PCs are essentially commodities at this time, as opposed to the prototypes we all get sent (AKA as ASIC miners). Inventory is essentially Unlimited for R20x, so there's no worries about running out of GB shares.


** Each user is limited to only 6 shares per rig/sub-round (6 shares in R20A, 6 shares in R20B, etc., etc.) so that other people get a chance to own a part of the rig, and so that too much ownership/votes don't reside in any one person's hands. Purchases of 6 or more shares will be automatically split amongst multiple GPU rigs/sub-rounds. **


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Site Link: http://www.dzminercoop.com/?p=1197

1 share = $212 = 144-160 KH/s for 6 months
(unless there's a push from owners to sell the equipment earlier) + access to ultra low cost miner hosting at $300 per rig per month (and a 0.5% Management Fee). We will sell the unit or decide to continue running it before the 6 month mark.

This share price includes assembly/testing/troubleshooting & access to monthly low fixed costs for business insured hosting/management fees in a professional ASIC/GPU Miner Colocation Facility built just for LTC/BTC miners in conjunction with Miner Hosting LLC run by bobsag3.

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[Per the rest of our other forum GBs, any resales at the 5-7 month mark will have the proceeds split by proportion to one's ownership of that Round's rig minus a 1.5% co-op transaction fee for handling this sale]

Share price includes funds to purchase an entire DZ MC LTC Ultra Power Rig, the assembly and testing, and UPS with battery backup. Hashrate will be split in 25 portions or GB shares.

Comparison: with shipping, an R9 R270x video card alone, capable of 450KH/s costs $220-260, before you factor in the rest of the system (case/PSU/RAM/CPU/accessories/assembly/testing/power/cooling) needed to set up and run a power hungry and noisy Litecoin/Alt-coin rig for months at a time.

Hosting and Management fees: $300 per rig per month + a 0.5% management fee, which works out to $12-13 per month per share (~$6 per share per bi-monthly payout on the 7th and 22nd (we alternates payouts with BTC rigs, which are paid on the 1st and 15th)).


DZ MC Exclusives include multiple Server class UPS units and battery banks, multiple gas generators, dedicated extra Air Conditioning plus access to 5 world class IT experts!

Note: For those wondering - R9 R280x GPUs are in too short supply at this time for us to have confidence that we'll be able to get these models in the volume we need, at the time of ordering. If R280x supplies appear to have greater supplies in January/February, then we may consider revamping future R20x- based GBs.

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Individual purchases will be batch processed a few times a week. Please don't be alarmed if your order shows as Processing for a few days. We're still only 2 guys batch processing orders at this time and we're not at the point that we can hire someone yet just for order processing. Mahalo!

Please open a support ticket if you have concerns that your order didn't go thru after 48-72 hours. Also, please check our FAQ to see if your question has already been answered before sending a support ticket or forum PM. Cheers.

P.S.: Pictures included are representative, and may not represent the actual hardware used due to supply constraints. We may actually go to open case aluminum cases if we can secure enough stock.

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DZ Miners Cooperative Roles for this R20 GB:

DZ - Co-op Founder / overall coordinator of the Co-Operative, background role for R20. Founder/CTO of a newly formed Cryptocurrency focused Intl. Corp. called Cypher Trust LLC. Overseeing payouts and Primary admin for Co-op miners, IT Network Engineer, DoD IT Contractor. Primary GBC for R20x. Questions about BTC payments and questions for R20 may be sent to me (please open a support ticket on our site).

thomas_s - Primary GBC for Rounds 5-19. COO of our new company, Set up Online Auto Reservations for the co-op! Thank you! Send  thomas_s. Business Degree, works in Finance.

bobsag3: Vetted Co-op member. World's lowest hosting fees for vetted miner hosting at a professional colocation hosting facility in Missouri!  Official Black Arrow US Reseller and US Distributor for Drillbit Systems. New Pres. of our Mining Operations arm of our LLC. Opening a 2nd and possibly a 3rd Miner Hosting Facility due to overwhelming demand!

-Redacted-: Veteran remote admin. DZ MC Co-op Leader.  DoD IT Consultant.

jungle_dave: Vetted Co-op member and Former Electrical Engineer / Network Engineer. Backup Admin for co-op miners, software support.


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...And Introducing to the GB Forum: Auto Reservations!

Thank you to vetted GBC thomas_s who has worked hard to put up a site to automate reservations so that there's no confusion and no double orders! It'll also make auto-export to spreadsheets much, much simpler for GBs, going forward.

www.dzminercoop.com

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Please contact to me for questions and payments or to manually confirm your reservations, but please open a support ticket after 48-72 hours if you have questions about a particular R20 order. If you have questions about Round 20 unit hosting please contact bobsag3.

Since this is a 3.6 - 4 MH/s rig, at 25 shares per rig, that works out to 144-160 KH/s per share for R20x. Unit will be hosted at bobsag3 at the world's lowest hosting/management fees, for a limited time. This should be assembled and built by January 15 (estimated). Incremental and monitored Overclocking will be implemented as we'll be keeping things nice and chilly.

Your share price includes acquisition of an estimated 20 minutes of UPS/Battery Backup + Gas Generator backup, included in the discounted share price to keep BTC flowing during: short outages (blackouts), voltage sags (brownouts), and voltage spikes, as well as to provide power filtering. The special purpose Gas Generators our co-op buying power allows us are meant for providing power during longer outages.


Site Link: http://www.dzminercoop.com/?p=1197

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If you have questions as to how this whole darn at-cost, Democratic Miners Cooperative that's also a mesh network works, please send me a PM or state your concerns publicly as there's nothing to hide in this co-op.  Smiley

Only hurtful or trolling posts will be deleted as we welcome all valued opinions, insights, concerns, and improvement ideas to improve our at-cost (or even below cost) cooperative of about 120 400+ members (so far).


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DZ's Miner Cooperative, Round 20x ..."The little Co-op that could"...


An At-Cost/Low-Cost Democratic Miner Co-operative with the world's lowest fees for vetted miner hosting/management services:only $300 per month per miner rig for R20x!

~120 400 members: 1 Scientist, 7 admitted IT Pros, 3 Network Engineers, 3 Electrical Engineers, 2 Finance Employee, 6 GB Coordinators, multiple vetted host sites.*

*Note: A listing above does not necessarily indicate that this person runs or contributes to the running of the co-operative, but many of the pros listed have made their services available to the co-operative. Also, there could be more than 7 IT Pros, but some geeks are meek.  Cheesy


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This Co-operative is led by a John K. vetted Network Engineer based in Hawaii, DyslexicZombei or DZ, who gets to design prototype IT hardware and lab/field networks in support of cutting edge research projects, and has been in the line of work of T&E and R&D for nearly 10 years, with 50-60 Hawaii/US Aerospace/IT/R&D/Civ. Engineering Endorsements on LinkedIn. The other remote administrators are jungle_dave who is a former Electrical Engineer and Network Engineer and -Redacted- a UNIX guru and veteran miner. Our local/remote admin is bobsag3, who is also an IT veteran. There are 5 leaders in the DZ MC, with thomas_s and I doing the actual running of the Cooperative.

Mining Equipment will be operated by vetted IT pros or a vetted IT college student, with backup host sites available. Payouts are on the 1st and 15th of the month minus a $150 host fee and a 0.5% management fee, the lowest prices around.

Once sales begin, Refunds are available up until unit ships at 1.5% restock fee. We vote on all buying, shipping, and resale decisions as well as vote on the month to attempt equipment resales after 5-7 months of operations.

Vetted GB Coordinators are encouraged to team up to increase buying power and close out Group Buys quicker. All suggestions are welcome to help improve our Co-operative.

- Approx. total value of GBEC / GBC ASIC/LTC Hardware pre-order sales or pre-sales of shares on this forum by DZ MC since Aug. 15: $550K (before BTC price adjustments)
- Approx. value of DZ ebay ASIC sales (including 10 ebay shares for 3 GBs, worth $1.4K) since Aug.1 : $3.9K

- Several new GBCs and Bitcoin Miner Hosts vetted for free, and several scams pointed out on two BTC related forums.
- Number of FundRaising Rounds completed: 19
- Number of HashFast miners: 2 Baby Jets with paid upgrades, 2 Sierras, 4TH/s+ Total
- Number of KnC miners: 6 Jupiters, 800-1200GH/s. 2 Neptunes, 6TH/s.
- Number of Bitmine miners: 2 Rig, 2 Rounds so far, 3.4 - 5 TH/s
- Number of Black Arrow miners: 80 boards, 3.3 - 4TH /s, 17+ Black Arrow x-3 Prosperos at 2TH/s each
- Total Ordered HashRate: 55.8 TH/s+ Total
- Online Auto reservation system tailored for Group Buys thanks to vetted GBC thomas_s!
- Server grade UPS units, TWO DZ MC gas generators, and a DZ MC Air Conditioner just for our miners, which will allow us to provide a perfect home to explore Overclocking for DZ MC ASIC miner rigs.
- New! A sixth GB Coordinator has joined the co-op! He's a VP of his own small oil company in Texas and is helping us to cook up a couple of future projects. Welcome Aboard!



Last order paid: Rounds 17x, Black Arrow Bullet Run (R17x is still available)
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December 11, 2013, 08:18:37 AM
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Round 20x Payment Details
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R20x Orders should be placed here: http://www.dzminercoop.com/?p=1197


Payment: Payments are only in BTC-equivalent at this time. We may take LTC soon, and may implement that in our Version 2.0 site.

If you're buying 5 or more R20x GB shares, wire transfer, or check payment is available to Miner Hosting LLC. Please send a PM to bobsag3 or send an email to his minersource.net address.

For US Customers: for a 3%  fee for USD conversion to BTC, we recommend: https://cashintocoins.com/index.php?code=dzcoop a FinCen compliant MSB who can get BTC sent to the wallet address you want in as little as 15 minutes to an hour.

For Intl. Customers
: We are still exploring suggestions for inexpensive BTC conversion but I can recommend www.bitstamp.net at this time as that's the exchange rate used by our payment processor.

PayPal and CC payments are not available.

If there's any concerns about registering your payment, please open a support ticket  on our site. There's two methods to resolve this:

A. Send a support ticket on our website www.dzminercoop.com

OR

B: PM to DZ on this site

Subject: DZ HF GB R20, Order#
Details: Please include Tx ID, your wallet address for payout, and any concerns you may have about your transaction(s)

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DZ - Need escrowed Group Buy shares? For a 2% extra fee you get 3rd party fund holding, dispute resolution, and $500 insurance per transaction at BTCrow. [DISCLAIMER: I, DyslexicZombei, am an approved Escrow Affiliate at BTCrow.] Please PM Carbon Copy thomas_s please prior to escrow payment.


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NEW! 10/18 UPDATE from Thomas:

"Bobsag3 will be accepting wire transfers (for 5+ R20x shares).

CC payments are currently suspended; we're working on something more long term. Fortunately, Thomas S. works in finance.

Thomas_s will be accepting TD bank and CitiBank (USA) checks (any quantity of shares). At this time no other banks checks are being accepted.

*These payment options are only available for Rounds that don't need BTC conversions.

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Refunds
: Refunds are discouraged because of the chaos caused in Group Buys, but if necessary, you will be refunded before the miner ships, at a 1.5% restock fee. After the miner ships, no refunds are available.


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NEW (10/21) Share Ownership Transfer Fee: There is now a 0.75% Ownership transfer fee if you're buying someone else's DZ MC co-op shares. We put a ton of time, money, and BTC to offer the GB community many of the world's best at-cost and below-cost deals. Refunds and share transfers cause chaos and extra work for us.

This 0.75% share transfer fee *MUST* by paid by the new owner before we will transfer share ownership.

By sending payment, you agree to these Refund and Transfer terms before purchase.
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December 11, 2013, 09:25:37 AM
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Another great gb, congrats. I just bought the hood of a lambo!

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December 11, 2013, 10:09:51 AM
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I'm in for one share.
txid: 086d739e14ceb740775fb219f3c83fcc9f201e4ad8299a148b0cd87b60316fe4

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When is this scheduled to go live?  I read through the post it and didn't really see a date. 

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I see Jan 15th as a date.
I have a suggestion could you or anyone supply some ltc links for forum members.
A ltc difficulty link.
A ltc mining link.  Showing ltc price in  BTC USD  EUR.

In a sense to buy this it would help  if some could know what 212 kh hash earns in a day.

For instance most people  may not know that LTC hash rate for a video card is in khs not mhs.

I will try to post a few links.


https://www.litecoinpool.org/calc 

200 kH/s earns  about .071 ltc a day


http://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty     growth rate varies

The bottom-line for this investment is a hope that ltc price raises and difficulty does not go nuts.

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December 11, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
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Is there any good site for Litecoin Calculation?

Thanks
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December 11, 2013, 11:33:14 AM
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I see Jan 15th as a date.
I have a suggestion could you or anyone supply some ltc links for forum members.
A ltc difficulty link.
A ltc mining link.  Showing ltc price in  BTC USD  EUR.

In a sense to buy this it would help  if some could know what 212 kh hash earns in a day.

For instance most people  may not know that LTC hash rate for a video card is in khs not mhs.

I will try to post a few links.
The current LTC difficulty is 2,694
I believe this is the networks hashrate 91,832.2 MH/s

Exchange rate
http://litecoinexchangerate.org/

earnings calculator
http://www.litecoinminingcalculator.com/
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December 11, 2013, 11:37:35 AM
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I see Jan 15th as a date.
I have a suggestion could you or anyone supply some ltc links for forum members.
A ltc difficulty link.
A ltc mining link.  Showing ltc price in  BTC USD  EUR.

In a sense to buy this it would help  if some could know what 212 kh hash earns in a day.

For instance most people  may not know that LTC hash rate for a video card is in khs not mhs.

I will try to post a few links.


https://www.litecoinpool.org/calc  

200 kH/s earns  about .071 ltc a day


http://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty     growth rate varies

The bottom-line for this investment is a hope that ltc price raises and difficulty does not go nuts.
found some info  I may buy a share to get into the litecoin game. I never set up  any of my btc gpu rigs to do lite coin.  I still have a gpu rig

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December 11, 2013, 12:10:23 PM
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Thomas

By using the cal that you provided

160KH/s earn 0.06 LTC per day or 1.7 LTC per month.

With current exchange rate 1.7 LTC ~ to $50

Is that right?

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Yeah, guys I love you but the economics on this are way off unless LTC goes through the roof.  Going to have to pass on this one.
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Yeah, guys I love you but the economics on this are way off unless LTC goes through the roof.  Going to have to pass on this one.

well if it is 25 shares for a rig . you pay 12 bucks over head 300/25 if the share earns 50 bucks - 12 = 38 dollars back in 1 month .  at todays  difficulty .   ltc does go up and down in diff.  I won't decide until r9-r12 gets settled. if I get a buyout and divs I would buy a share here maybe 2.  I am certainly liking r17 more.   but remember this machine will sell for parts as it has great gpus inside of it. so it will have value even if all mining dies.    when I cashed in all my pc gear I sold 21 gpu's for over 4k.

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Yeah, guys I love you but the economics on this are way off unless LTC goes through the roof.  Going to have to pass on this one.

well if it is 25 shares for a rig . you pay 12 bucks over head 300/25 if the share earns 50 bucks - 12 = 38 dollars back in 1 month .  at todays  difficulty .   ltc does go up and down in diff.  I won't decide until r9-r12 gets settled. if I get a buyout and divs I would buy a share here maybe 2.  I am certainly liking r17 more.   but remember this machine will sell for parts as it has great gpus inside of it. so it will have value even if all mining dies.    when I cashed in all my pc gear I sold 21 gpu's for over 4k.

The problem is that it will be tough to get ROI on just the shares.  You raise a good point the hardware itself in 6 months will be worth nearly 80% of their costs, because you can sell the hardware to just about anyone, and the hardware in question will still be top contenders in 6 months.

I just wish there was an easier LTC exchange to deal with the current options are pretty much horrible.  The only reason I would take part, would be to bank some LTC, and then get some of the BTC back when the hardware is sold.
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Have you considered using Multipool - always mine the most profitable coins?

Just wondering if it really makes a difference.

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December 11, 2013, 04:27:03 PM
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Yeah, guys I love you but the economics on this are way off unless LTC goes through the roof.  Going to have to pass on this one.

well if it is 25 shares for a rig . you pay 12 bucks over head 300/25 if the share earns 50 bucks - 12 = 38 dollars back in 1 month .  at todays  difficulty .   ltc does go up and down in diff.  I won't decide until r9-r12 gets settled. if I get a buyout and divs I would buy a share here maybe 2.  I am certainly liking r17 more.   but remember this machine will sell for parts as it has great gpus inside of it. so it will have value even if all mining dies.    when I cashed in all my pc gear I sold 21 gpu's for over 4k.

The problem is that it will be tough to get ROI on just the shares.  You raise a good point the hardware itself in 6 months will be worth nearly 80% of their costs, because you can sell the hardware to just about anyone, and the hardware in question will still be top contenders in 6 months.

I just wish there was an easier LTC exchange to deal with the current options are pretty much horrible.  The only reason I would take part, would be to bank some LTC, and then get some of the BTC back when the hardware is sold.

no doubt roi on the mining alone almost certainly won't happen in ltc terms but maybe it could in usd.   but I am thinking you always can get 70 to 80 percent back on the pc/gpu aspect.  so this would not ever really zero out .  it is a different  mindset to invest in this.

that is why I want 1 share at worst 2 or 3 if I get a r9-r12 buyout.

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December 11, 2013, 05:42:52 PM
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no doubt roi on the mining alone almost certainly won't happen in ltc terms but maybe it could in usd.   but I am thinking you always can get 70 to 80 percent back on the pc/gpu aspect.  so this would not ever really zero out .  it is a different  mindset to invest in this.

that is why I want 1 share at worst 2 or 3 if I get a r9-r12 buyout.

Great minds must think alike.

Its a hedge bet that LTC will increase in worth.  The advantages of putting an investment towards something, in the worst case that, will only cover the 20-25% decrease in worth of the hardware itself seems like its worth the risk.

Trying to mine multiple coins based on profitability seems like a bad idea.  This will result having several small amounts of different currency.
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December 11, 2013, 07:09:45 PM
Last edit: December 11, 2013, 07:19:51 PM by railzand
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Some of the multipools milk the most profitable altcoins and convert to btc for you. I make more than I would mining ltc. Just saying

Top end gpus are in short supply, so people like Sy say the diff won't go up too madly, like 4000 by Jan, and we'd still as y'all said have the rigs to sell once we'd mined a few 'ltc'.

I'm in two minds now

edit: link re the diff: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=9192.msg66172#msg66172

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December 11, 2013, 09:42:03 PM
Last edit: December 11, 2013, 10:13:38 PM by yomamanodros
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Yeah, guys I love you but the economics on this are way off unless LTC goes through the roof.  Going to have to pass on this one.

well if it is 25 shares for a rig . you pay 12 bucks over head 300/25 if the share earns 50 bucks - 12 = 38 dollars back in 1 month .  at todays  difficulty .   ltc does go up and down in diff.  I won't decide until r9-r12 gets settled. if I get a buyout and divs I would buy a share here maybe 2.  I am certainly liking r17 more.   but remember this machine will sell for parts as it has great gpus inside of it. so it will have value even if all mining dies.    when I cashed in all my pc gear I sold 21 gpu's for over 4k.

The problem is that it will be tough to get ROI on just the shares.  You raise a good point the hardware itself in 6 months will be worth nearly 80% of their costs, because you can sell the hardware to just about anyone, and the hardware in question will still be top contenders in 6 months.

I just wish there was an easier LTC exchange to deal with the current options are pretty much horrible.  The only reason I would take part, would be to bank some LTC, and then get some of the BTC back when the hardware is sold.

no doubt roi on the mining alone almost certainly won't happen in ltc terms but maybe it could in usd.   but I am thinking you always can get 70 to 80 percent back on the pc/gpu aspect.  so this would not ever really zero out .  it is a different  mindset to invest in this.

that is why I want 1 share at worst 2 or 3 if I get a r9-r12 buyout.
This group buy doesn't seem like it's the same as the other rounds.  It looks like it is a 6 month mining contract.  Maybe I'm missing something, unless the coop votes to sell the equipment, there is no recouping the cost of the equipment.  A LTC miner can keep hashing much longer than 6 months and stay profitable.

Also, $300 a month for hosting is extremely expensive.  That is going to be a very large percentage of the earnings.  Hosting for the ASICs makes up only a small portion of earnings, that is why it's a great deal.  When hosting makes up more than 10% of the earnings, I say it's way to high.  As of today, running at 4 MH, it would take 6 days of mining to pay for the $300 a month hosting fee.  That is around 20% of the total earnings.

If LTC continues to rise in value, difficulty will also keep rising.  Buying in the hopes that LTC goes up will not work.

I will not be buying any shares this time.  Good luck to those who decide to buy.




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December 11, 2013, 10:23:11 PM
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7850 for $200 makes 400kh/s...
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