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December 12, 2013, 08:04:57 AM |
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I do not support this petition, but I support right as an american to do as they wish and be free. If the family and their doctors say this is the only means left to heal their child, then I do not believe the government should restrict them from making that decision because the government thinks it's not a real treatment.
The doctors aren't saying that, and no real doctor ever would. And nobody has a right to endanger (or, in this case, potentially slightly shorten) the life of a child by using dangerous "treatments" that are proven to have no benefit. If the family has been told that this "treatment" is either safe or effective, they have been lied to; and for the clinic use this lie to sell their "treatment" (or anything else) is fraud, and nobody has a right to commit a fraud either, especially against a family with a dying child. It's like the government saying "God isn't real, so we are going to ban people praying for other people because it's not a legitimate treatment". Whether or not they think it's a legitimate treatment shouldn't ban others from using it.
I'm not suggesting that either. If people want to pray for the dying, that okay. But if they want to sell their prayers, and they do this by telling dying people and their families that the prayers they're selling will cure them, that's not okay, and such practices should be banned.
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December 12, 2013, 08:22:32 AM |
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I do not support this petition, but I support right as an american to do as they wish and be free. If the family and their doctors say this is the only means left to heal their child, then I do not believe the government should restrict them from making that decision because the government thinks it's not a real treatment.
The doctors aren't saying that, and no real doctor ever would. And nobody has a right to endanger (or, in this case, potentially slightly shorten) the life of a child by using dangerous "treatments" that are proven to have no benefit. If the family has been told that this "treatment" is either safe or effective, they have been lied to; and for the clinic use this lie to sell their "treatment" (or anything else) is fraud, and nobody has a right to commit a fraud either, especially against a family with a dying child. It's like the government saying "God isn't real, so we are going to ban people praying for other people because it's not a legitimate treatment". Whether or not they think it's a legitimate treatment shouldn't ban others from using it.
I'm not suggesting that either. If people want to pray for the dying, that okay. But if they want to sell their prayers, and they do this by telling dying people and their families that the prayers they're selling will cure them, that's not okay, and such practices should be banned. Going from what OP said, I am under the impression that the family's doctors have said that this is the last resort, and that there is not other way of saving him: He has gone through many treatments and unfortunately, doctors have now given him one last resort. The only possibility of saving his life is by giving him Antineoplaston therapy.
As for paying for prayers, I agree with you. Paying for a service which isn't scientifically proven is pretty scammy. But I don't believe the government should ban you from spending your money how you wish. But I do believe that the government should be cautious about people not taking care of their kids (DHS, etc). Worry about side effects in this situation is kind of dumb since the kid is going to be dead soon anyway. You can't get more dead than... dead. If their last resort to save their child through an unscientifically proven experimental procedure, than I see no reason why the government should ban you from possibly saving your child. Whether or not you are paying money for this service. "No, you can't save your kid through one of our approved methods. Only our ways work, and you are banned from using anything else. Sucks about your kid. But that's the way it goes because we said so."
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December 12, 2013, 08:26:46 AM |
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Guys, I respect your views. However, please don't make this a discussion thread whethe you believe in it or not. I'm sure the parents and doctors have spoken about it greatly and this really is the last resort. In addition, I'm certain the parents wouldn't force anything on their dying son without discussing it with him first. Yes he's 6, but he understands that's he's sick, and I'm pretty sure he's able to make a decision over a small chance he has of living and dying. THIS IS NOT AN APPEAL. $92k has already been donated for his treatment. Whether you believe in it or not, this is the child's only hope, and I'm sure if anyone here was in the same or similar situation (which should never happen), I'm sure you'd all do the same.
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December 12, 2013, 08:28:39 AM |
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Guys, I respect your views. However, please don't make this a discussion thread whethe you believe in it or not. I'm sure the parents and doctors have spoken about it greatly and this really is the last resort. In addition, I'm certain the parents wouldn't force anything on their dying son without discussing it with him first. Yes he's 6, but he understands that's he's sick, and I'm pretty sure he's able to make a decision over a small chance he has of living and dying. THIS IS NOT AN APPEAL. $92k has already been donated for his treatment. Whether you believe in it or not, this is the child's only hope, and I'm sure if anyone here was in the same or similar situation (which should never happen), I'm sure you'd all do the same.
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well, if you want people to sign the petition, and they are discussing about the validity of what the petition is for.. i think it's proper to mention.
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December 12, 2013, 05:43:07 PM |
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Yes, that's true. But if someone doesn't believe in it and genuinely has something against it, then that is up to them. However, I ask that they do not post their views if its only going to dissuade others. This is about saving someones life, not a national debate.
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December 12, 2013, 11:38:33 PM |
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BUMP. Trying to keep this Post up. Your signatures are needed desperately!
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December 13, 2013, 03:16:24 AM |
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btw, have you tried posting it on reddit? that might get more than enough signatures. it's possibly front page material right there. if that were the case, you'd end up getting well over 100,000 votes.
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December 13, 2013, 03:24:00 AM |
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Will give this a bump as well.
C'mon guys, bring in those signatures!
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December 14, 2013, 01:34:04 AM |
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mh, that activation mail seems to got lost somewhere
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December 14, 2013, 04:27:14 AM |
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Ill see if I can share this more! Bump
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December 14, 2013, 04:58:17 AM |
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Guys, I respect your views. However, please don't make this a discussion thread whethe you believe in it or not. I'm sure the parents and doctors have spoken about it greatly and this really is the last resort. In addition, I'm certain the parents wouldn't force anything on their dying son without discussing it with him first. Yes he's 6, but he understands that's he's sick, and I'm pretty sure he's able to make a decision over a small chance he has of living and dying. THIS IS NOT AN APPEAL. $92k has already been donated for his treatment. Whether you believe in it or not, this is the child's only hope, and I'm sure if anyone here was in the same or similar situation (which should never happen), I'm sure you'd all do the same.
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Wait!. We are free to debate and talk about this. You can't force us to either sign up or walk away with our mouths shout. Reading some posts I do hope this isn't a clever elaborated scam to prove this treatment works on a healthy child!
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December 14, 2013, 05:39:47 PM |
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You are free to debate it. BUT, if you don't believe in it, don't try to persuade others not to sign up. And which sadistic people would do that? I don't know this kid, but his story has been going round, and I don't think for a second that any family on Earth would make that up. For all those trying to promote this, I thank you. My gratitude may not be much, but you will be rewarded one day ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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December 15, 2013, 06:12:11 PM |
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Bumping up again. Thanks to everyone who's helped so far. I've now created a post on reddit as well, so thanks for the advice. Only 29,000 more signatures needed. A big drop from the 55,000 needed when this thread was started.
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December 15, 2013, 07:27:16 PM |
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Bumping up again. Thanks to everyone who's helped so far. I've now created a post on reddit as well, so thanks for the advice. Only 29,000 more signatures needed. A big drop from the 55,000 needed when this thread was started.
can you link us to the reddit thread? i'd like to see what kind of an impact that has had. 20,000 signatures sign i signed it a few days ago. at this rate, it looks like it will go through. we'll have to see if anything will really happen though. another idea: you could contact a talk show, such as ellen.. to get them to cover this story. that would probably put you over 150,000 even.
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December 16, 2013, 04:45:47 PM |
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Hmm, tough call. Based on what I've read about the guy that runs this clinic it does sound like he's a scammer that preys on the terminally ill's hopes, in order to stay in business. But the kid seems real enough... I guess if his parents want to spend their money that's their business. But I don't necessarily want to help the doctor get more money, if he really is a charlatan. Tough call... Screw it, I'll sign it, it looks like it's a one time authorization for this particular kid. Signed...
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December 25, 2013, 05:43:59 PM |
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Only a few signatures left. Almost there... BUMP!
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December 25, 2013, 09:50:10 PM |
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ONLY 500 SIGNATURES NEEDED!!! WE WILL DO IT. COME ON GUYS ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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December 25, 2013, 10:58:16 PM |
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PETITION HAS BEEN FULFILLED!!! Many thanks to all those who signed it. Have a wonderful Christmas (to those that celebrate) and a happy, healthy and successful year. Thanks once again. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) WE DID IT!!! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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December 25, 2013, 11:58:57 PM |
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PETITION HAS BEEN FULFILLED!!! Many thanks to all those who signed it. Have a wonderful Christmas (to those that celebrate) and a happy, healthy and successful year. Thanks once again. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) WE DID IT!!! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) What does "has been fulfilled" mean? Is this the thing where the White House MUST answer when enough votes?
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