Repux & Joytoken & Amazix Investigation

[thehun]

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Ok, we never said we were the victims. The bounty hunters are the ones taking the hit.

So all understand that you guaranteed yourself with an "upfront" payment but on the other hand "we" trust Amazix and worked as labour for Amazix. So why don't you guarantee your "Labours" or "Teammates" and just say sorry we are leaving? Only rats escape first!

Under this conditions how I am going to trust you and how I am going to join any campaigns of you?

You didn't work for AmaZix, you worked for RepuX. We don't hold the tokens and have no influence in this decision nor any way to "guarantee" payments. If you feel like this makes us not to be trusted, then you're free not to join any more of our campaigns.

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[thehun]

First of all i need to say that i cannot be fair on this case cause i am one of the victims.
This is not the first case for bounty campaigns and not going to be last one.

So we need to take action for upcoming scammy ICOs and scammy bounties.
Dear Amazix; I understand that you get paid and you are not a victim. So why don't you think to pay bounty hunters on a weekly basis with Bitcoin or Ethereum?

Projects are raising Ethereum and so they have enough budget on bounty payments and you can calculate weekly payments very quick on raised amount.
Or at least you can give payments %50 ethereum %50 token.

This way Scammer Project owners will stay away. This is in your hands for sure.
Crypto is community driven  economy and i am sure all our community will support this type of bounties. Everyone will be happy.
Also We are in same ship and there is no RAT! here.

Please take your position against scammers and convert your Bounty payments to weekly basis on ethereum.

All bounty hunters work (or spam) for 16 weeks for nothing this is really long time period and ended up with scam.

First of all, this is not our decision, but of the ICO project. And this is unfortunately not feasible in all cases as the ETH raised is needed for the development of the project. If this was to be done the allocations would be way lower than they are currently.

[coinlocket$]

4 months wore their signature for $ 20
Project Scum,sorry only spent time,the developers of the project are losers,they all threw all and with such guys somebody does not know

This is why I never join more than 1 month duration project for signatures (or I do if the payment is weekly on my wallet). I know the reward is lower in this way but if you will be scammed the loss will more accetable!

[monarx911@i.ua]

if the community continues to turn a blind eye to such things, it will not lead to anything good, such decisions are a very strong blow to investors and those people who were engaged in the promotion of the project, teams must fulfill their promises, I believe that a lie strikes at the entire crypto industry

[marlboroza]

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You didn't work for AmaZix, you worked for RepuX. We don't hold the tokens and have no influence in this decision nor any way to "guarantee" payments. If you feel like this makes us not to be trusted, then you're free not to join any more of our campaigns.

You are wrong, bounty hunters worked for Amazix.
If company A hire company B to do job and company B hire workers for that job, company B should be held responsible for not paying workers.
You are only one to blame for managing bounty without escrowing funds.

We didn't get kicked, we decided to leave as we couldn't reach an agreement as we thought that their decision was unacceptable. This decision was taken after the end of the respective campaigns.

Whether we get paid or not is not relevant to this case as it is not the topic of the discussion.

It is relevant. Did you get your payment?

did you guys make an announcement in the threads?

They made announcement a month(May 9.) after both campaigns ended (jaytoken bounti ended on April 22. and repux ended on April 8.).

When their team decided to make changes and your team decided to leave each project

Answer this, because it looks like you knew about changing deal long time before it was announced, also your team member stated that everyone will get their tokens, not 7-8% of arranged deal:

https://archive.fo/AUkOF

Hello guys! We do apologize for a little delay about the bounty distribution. We understand that it should be within 30 days and that's what we always do across our bounty campaigns. Rest assured that everyone who helped us will be getting their tokens and we keep on communicating this with Repux devs. We really appreciate everyones patience.

For real time update about the token distribution, I would like to ask everyone to join our Repux Bounty Telegram Group:
https://t.me/repux_bounty

We've been kicked out to their Telegram Bounty Group and we can't access even their main ICO telegram group. We tried everything we can.

Please join their telegram group about the token distribution: https://t.me/repux_bounty

Also, how Amazix can be kicked out of their own telegram group? 


I think you should answer all questions. Bounty hunters were scammed for more or less $1,500,000.

[GayEddie]

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You didn't work for AmaZix, you worked for RepuX. We don't hold the tokens and have no influence in this decision nor any way to "guarantee" payments. If you feel like this makes us not to be trusted, then you're free not to join any more of our campaigns.

You are wrong, bounty hunters worked for Amazix.
If company A hire company B to do job and company B hire workers for that job, company B should be held responsible for not paying workers.
You are only one to blame for managing bounty without escrowing funds.

We didn't get kicked, we decided to leave as we couldn't reach an agreement as we thought that their decision was unacceptable. This decision was taken after the end of the respective campaigns.

Whether we get paid or not is not relevant to this case as it is not the topic of the discussion.

It is relevant. Did you get your payment?

did you guys make an announcement in the threads?

They made announcement a month(May 9.) after both campaigns ended (jaytoken bounti ended on April 22. and repux ended on April 8.).

When their team decided to make changes and your team decided to leave each project

Answer this, because it looks like you knew about changing deal long time before it was announced, also your team member stated that everyone will get their tokens, not 7-8% of arranged deal:

https://archive.fo/AUkOF

Hello guys! We do apologize for a little delay about the bounty distribution. We understand that it should be within 30 days and that's what we always do across our bounty campaigns. Rest assured that everyone who helped us will be getting their tokens and we keep on communicating this with Repux devs. We really appreciate everyones patience.

For real time update about the token distribution, I would like to ask everyone to join our Repux Bounty Telegram Group:
https://t.me/repux_bounty

We've been kicked out to their Telegram Bounty Group and we can't access even their main ICO telegram group. We tried everything we can.

Please join their telegram group about the token distribution: https://t.me/repux_bounty

Also, how Amazix can be kicked out of their own telegram group?  


I think you should answer all questions. Bounty hunters were scammed for more or less $1,500,000.

I just want to comment on the telegram problem.
They got kicked from REPUX TELEGRAM. That is not their own telegram, they just admin

Anyone can get kick out from the telegram group. Even admin.

Repux/joytoken must have be the group creator and they can kicked anyone

Idk why you want to argue about that.
Dyod about telegram first

[GayEddie]

Amaziks always went to the defense of their community and sought payment in full, I have long been working with projects that offer Amaziks, there have been misunderstandings about payments and Amaziks has always been protecting the community and their interests, I am sure in the Amaziks team that they defended the interests of the community !! it's not about who spent time three seconds or a few hours on the bounty, the amount for which people agreed to advance the project, spend their time and no matter how much it took time and effort, it's human labor and everyone evaluates it as it sees fit , there are expensive workers there deshovye, they designated the amount for which people were ready to work! this is marketing and work, people attracted investors and the project raised funds for their development, they pay hunters for bargains not from their own pocket, but with the coins that they printed and bounty hunters will sell them to other investors on the market, look at the project atlant , they kept their word to the community, the amount of bounty payments is higher than investment! remember what cryptography is, first of all, justice and transparency

Yes agreed.
I can see they fighting with the repux team just to secure bounty hunter original allocation and
Repux team still don’t want to honour the first aggrement. And hence why Amazix decide not to working with them anymore.

By the way for everyone here that doesn’t know. Amazix not only manage the bounty, they manage all repux telegram and becoming the Q&A support team for their token sale. So they step down and dont work with this scammer anymore when this Scammer Doesn’t want to Honour Bounty Hunter token allocation

And In all Amazix bounty , bounty hunter work for the project but it manage by Amazix

And all distribution being made by the team project.

I hope for future bounty , Amazix team can take Token pool beforehand and put it in smart contract or they hold the token first to avoid getting involved with this kind of Scammer like Repux team again.

[jubilarian]

I received 57 Repux tokens for 12 weeks. 

[lx001]

The sad part is that Repux were unable to inform the community about the reduced pool before the end of the crowd sale. This is becoming more and more popular now. If people are unable to handle a simple campaign properly, I am pretty sure their final product is going to be a mess too, we have seen loads of examples earlier.

[aga@pit]

Repux scam!

[Klara_karlovna]

First of all i need to say that i cannot be fair on this case cause i am one of the victims.
This is not the first case for bounty campaigns and not going to be last one.

So we need to take action for upcoming scammy ICOs and scammy bounties.
Dear Amazix; I understand that you get paid and you are not a victim. So why don't you think to pay bounty hunters on a weekly basis with Bitcoin or Ethereum?

Projects are raising Ethereum and so they have enough budget on bounty payments and you can calculate weekly payments very quick on raised amount.
Or at least you can give payments %50 ethereum %50 token.

This way Scammer Project owners will stay away. This is in your hands for sure.
Crypto is community driven  economy and i am sure all our community will support this type of bounties. Everyone will be happy.
Also We are in same ship and there is no RAT! here.

Please take your position against scammers and convert your Bounty payments to weekly basis on ethereum.

All bounty hunters work (or spam) for 16 weeks for nothing this is really long time period and ended up with scam.

First of all, this is not our decision, but of the ICO project. And this is unfortunately not feasible in all cases as the ETH raised is needed for the development of the project. If this was to be done the allocations would be way lower than they are currently.

may I ask?. Do you have any contracts signed with the projects for the services provided? Just want to understand the degree of responsibility of the parties.  Working conditions, time frame, force majeure must be specified in the contract.
What are the guarantees that in the future similar actions on the part of the project in the AmaziX will not be repeated?

[adekogbe]

It matters to identify victims of this case. This answer shows that you are not a victim here. Can you please roll back to beginning of this project.
Who were you in in contact with repux-joytoken teams. ?
Who is @novatron (Telegram) David Siu (I am not sure his real name is David Siu)
Do you know that same person was the "CEO" (As he introduces himself on Telegram) of both projects?

If a person comes to you and says we are running 2 ICOs same time and going to raise millions of dollars and you are going to be paid upfront and run our bounty campaign. What do you think?.
I am not an idiot person and i will be sure that they are going to scam people.

so in this case David Siu contacted you for 2 ICOs in same time or not? Please tell your long story from beginning.

Ok, we never said we were the victims. The bounty hunters are the ones taking the hit.

David Siu (CEO of Novatron Capital) is real: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKosBKBiy_s

He is an advisor for both RepuX and Joytoken but the CEO is a different person. Marcin Welner in the case of RepuX and Andrew MacDonald at Joytoken.

Both projects came to us from the hand of David Siu and at the same time, the onboarding procedure was standard, and at the time there were no signs of what was going to happen afterwards. The projects raised less than expected, largely because of the bear market (that affected many other ICOs at the same time), and at the end of the ICO they decided that the amount allocated was too high to be paid out in full.

I believe its safe to say both the project teams and David Siu are not competent as they claim to be. A lot of crypto projects devised means to reach their goals even in the bear market, with airdrops and referral campaigns that were funded from the marketing budget..

I applaud amazix for the swift action they took by notifying the public of developments as soon as they can.

If I may suggest however, I would suggest Amazix make contractual agreements with projects in the future because of avoiding repetition of cases like this.

Also a project can include conditional clauses in their bounty terms like: "In a case where the hardcap is not reached, bounty rewards will be paid in proportion to the raised funds"... I'm sure a message like this will prepare bounty hunters in advance for the eventuality of the situation.

Thats why most projects allocate a percentage of their funds raised for the bounty projects

[thehun]

You are wrong, bounty hunters worked for Amazix.
If company A hire company B to do job and company B hire workers for that job, company B should be held responsible for not paying workers.
You are only one to blame for managing bounty without escrowing funds.

A bounty manager is no more than a project manager. If a company employs an external project manager for a certain project, the people under him will still be working for the company and it will be the company who is responsible for paying their salaries.

There is no way to escrow tokens that haven't been issued yet (the bounty started several months before the ICO). That said, we are working on smart contract solutions to ensure that this won't happen in the future.

It is relevant. Did you get your payment?

Yes, long before this exploded. Does that really change anything?

They made announcement a month(May 9.) after both campaigns ended (jaytoken bounti ended on April 22. and repux ended on April 8.).

When their team decided to make changes and your team decided to leave each project

Answer this, because it looks like you knew about changing deal long time before it was announced, also your team member stated that everyone will get their tokens, not 7-8% of arranged deal:

We found out about their intentions just 3-4 days before we made that announcement. Before that we were busy counting stakes and reviewing the huge number of blog posts that had been submitted. When finally the sheet was ready and only the exact number of tokens was pending to be added is when we found out that they weren't willing to pay.

Also, how Amazix can be kicked out of their own telegram group? 


I think you should answer all questions. Bounty hunters were scammed for more or less $1,500,000.

Someone already answered this. The groups are owned by the ICO project, not by AmaZix.

[scamcatcher]

I think there shouldnt be anything "fixed" on bounty campaigns.


If an ico raise 4m $ and give 800k to bounties, that means people invested Money in it would be fucked!



I think the real scam what iungo did. They made the hard cap and reduced the bounty 1/13 because they were expecting more bounty hunters!

[finaleshot2016]

You got scam mate

I don't trust amazix for handling bounties. Creating a company where you can be hired by a good project is very shady.
Even,

Also, how Amazix can be kicked out of their own telegram group? 


I think you should answer all questions. Bounty hunters were scammed for more or less $1,500,000.

Someone already answered this. The groups are owned by the ICO project, not by AmaZix.

The group is not the one cause this cases, there are hidden talks between the project and the amazix team.
They just acted like the way it should. It's very clean tho..

[rentier]

Project owners! They are Scammers

[LogitechMouse]

This is not just limited to these. There are many other projects where the participants are victims. This is both fraud and labor theft. We do not want to see such projects anymore.

I agree, so we should not be silent, otherwise more and more projects will come. We worked and it has to be paid. In daly life, you get a job with a salary of $ 5,000, and a month get $360. This time no one even can't imagine, because immediately there will be a lawsuit!

I don't know how hard you really worked. Let's be honest here. Most of you guys took 3 seconds out of your days to copy/paste some tweets or shares on facebook. I'm not trying to be a prick here but none of you bounty hunters are really busting your asses.

This is the hard fact for most of the bounty hunters now and it hurts  . They are doing it the easy way by just copy and pasting some posts of others and they will repost it but on the other side, since there are many participants in the social media campaigns most of the time they only got a small amount of tokens. Anyway, that is how the social media campaigns runs right now. Maybe there is something the campaign managers should do to prevent this to happen.

[Zapo]

I think it's best to just give up on this case (well the bounty payment issue) since they won't pay, and no amount of complaining will get them to pay.

What I am really interested in about, is the HUGE price drop. I'm very confused why users would dump their coins, if someone could provide me some information about what exchanges they are on, I'll take a longer look at them.

Here is the golden question:

Who would dump so much tokens, at such a low price?

Let's analyze some possibilities -->

1. Bounty Hunters - Impossible, no one got more than a hundred tokens, wouldn't affect the market at all.
2. Investors - No point, if they invested, they believe in the project and I doubt any sane person would sell their tokens for cents on the dollar.
3. Whales - This is possible. Some people will go around promising icos, ask for a huge bonus if they invest 6 digit numbers, and then when they get the token listed, they'll dump all their tokens for an easy profit. Very possible, but I would think the Repux team is competent enough to allow their ico to not be dominated by a couple of whales.
4. Inner team - Maybe... If someone agreed to work for tokens, they probably would have believed in the project and it's hard seeing team members selling their tokens for such a small amount. Maybe some team members lost interest in the project and decided to sell? This could be disastrous.

AmaZix is not to blame, they handled the project well and made the right call breaking off the relationship when Repux turned shady.

Now, let's bust these dumpers!

[timmylee]

The guy behind the ICO's "David Sui" is a crook! SCAMMER!

[iconoclast]

I think it's best to just give up on this case (well the bounty payment issue) since they won't pay, and no amount of complaining will get them to pay.

What I am really interested in about, is the HUGE price drop. I'm very confused why users would dump their coins, if someone could provide me some information about what exchanges they are on, I'll take a longer look at them.

Here is the golden question:

Who would dump so much tokens, at such a low price?

Let's analyze some possibilities -->

1. Bounty Hunters - Impossible, no one got more than a hundred tokens, wouldn't affect the market at all.
2. Investors - No point, if they invested, they believe in the project and I doubt any sane person would sell their tokens for cents on the dollar.
3. Whales - This is possible. Some people will go around promising icos, ask for a huge bonus if they invest 6 digit numbers, and then when they get the token listed, they'll dump all their tokens for an easy profit. Very possible, but I would think the Repux team is competent enough to allow their ico to not be dominated by a couple of whales.
4. Inner team - Maybe... If someone agreed to work for tokens, they probably would have believed in the project and it's hard seeing team members selling their tokens for such a small amount. Maybe some team members lost interest in the project and decided to sell? This could be disastrous.

AmaZix is not to blame, they handled the project well and made the right call breaking off the relationship when Repux turned shady.

Now, let's bust these dumpers!

Why would you want to hang on to the tokens of known scammers? You really think a bunch of liars are going to keep their promise and develope the project? No they are dumping their tokens and buying Lambo's. Anyone that hangs on to the tokens of a known scam deserves to lose all their money.