BlackArrow => Scam or not?

[crazydownloaded]

Someone messaged me about BlackArrow:

Have a look at these 2 Pages:
https://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/about-us-en.html
https://www.cardreaderfactory.com/about-us.html
Same-Same isn't it?
And then read this:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Card-Reader-Factory/internet/Card-Reader-Factory-cardreaderfactory-cardreaderfactorycom-crs-known-scam-and-snitch-I-1070440


Is it definitively a scam or not?
Should I remove them from https://coinplorer.com/Hardware or flag them as scam?

[jimmothy]

Someone messaged me about BlackArrow:

Have a look at these 2 Pages:
https://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/about-us-en.html
https://www.cardreaderfactory.com/about-us.html
Same-Same isn't it?
And then read this:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Card-Reader-Factory/internet/Card-Reader-Factory-cardreaderfactory-cardreaderfactorycom-crs-known-scam-and-snitch-I-1070440


Is it definitively a scam or not?
Should I remove them from https://coinplorer.com/Hardware or flag them as scam?

Hope not since I just ordered an x-1.

Didn't blackarrow deliver bitfury asics and before that avalons and before that fpgas? That is just what I have found with minimal research.

[TinkerTom]

In looking at those pages, there are some similarities for sure, but I'd bet it's because they use the same CMS. If you view the page source you can see the exact same error strings, code structure and so forth. However, I'd guess this is most likely due to CMS than same company.

I'd say the main factor against this being a scam is that Bobsag3 went there and met the guys running Black Arrow. There are pics and video of loads of BitFury boards and at least one prototype of the Prospero (I think).

Also it looks like the scam cardreader company was in Romania, so doesn't really fit with this Chinese company.

Last, as jimmothy says, they seem to have shipped product. I'd guess (hope!) it's just the CMS.

[kfactor]

yeah it's the same theme, that's all.

Notice their respective GA UA's are different - would probably be the same account if it was the same entity.


And besides, I've also got an order in

[crazydownloaded]

Damn, I'll keep them in the comparison I guess.
Their prices always change, they must be indexed on something (yuan ?)

[descarte]

if what you said is true, it will be the biggest scam in the bitcoin history. I believe there were tonnes of blackarrow pre-order already. they would have pocketed tonnes of money.

Having said that, I was wondering why their batch 1 hasn't close yet.. now this is getting fishy. I really hope they are not scam because I too had invested in them.

[RoiToi]

i wanted to buy into their cloudmining,

but lately i've been getting my ass handed to me while trading.

so i'll wait. hesitate.

[elbill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIsUJo-sGwE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ybLGF1AkY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjs9KjAaRew



So....I think no. Maybe a scammer copy their About us.

[FlappySocks]

They are legit.  I have met them. I have bought stuff from them. They are a professional operation. The customer support team have been swamped with support tickets, that's all.  Looking forward to my Bitfurys & X3

[descarte]

video only show the production line. could be taken from anywhere. doesn't show the real prospero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIsUJo-sGwE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ybLGF1AkY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjs9KjAaRew



So....I think no. Maybe a scammer copy their About us.

[Anddos]

video only show the production line. could be taken from anywhere. doesn't show the real prospero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIsUJo-sGwE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ybLGF1AkY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjs9KjAaRew



So....I think no. Maybe a scammer copy their About us.

Agree that video could be any asic manfacturing plant,no proof at all

[Slander]

Agree that video could be any asic manufacturing plant,no proof at all
[/quote]

Yes I agree, 100% a scam, suggest you do NOT buy
/sarcasm

Now with all the unsold units they will drop the price and I can buy even more than I already have.

[tntdgcr]

Agree that video could be any asic manufacturing plant,no proof at all

Yes I agree, 100% a scam, suggest you do NOT buy
/sarcasm

Now with all the unsold units they will drop the price and I can buy even more than I already have.
[/quote]

LOL , BlackArrow and Alex are legit .... gotta have some patience in this game.
Unless you want to buy some BF boards right now ( i have plenty , that I'd gladly sell , only to give BA more money for new stuff )

[max200]

video only show the production line. could be taken from anywhere. doesn't show the real prospero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIsUJo-sGwE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ybLGF1AkY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjs9KjAaRew



So....I think no. Maybe a scammer copy their About us.

Agree that video could be any asic manfacturing plant,no proof at all

at least from the video we can see BA logo on the bitfury board 

[tntdgcr]

myself and another known party has been to the Factory and Hosting Facilities. -- but if you want product now , 1 Board of BF on BlackArrow boards will cost 1k range. Thats some 40 GH/s. Could be had easily. hundreds of them could be. people have working boards.

[Slander]

I have talked to the people at blackarrow, they respond fast and have shipped product before. I don't think they are a scam.

No NO.....HUGE SCAM!!  ALERT ALERT!!!

DO NOT BUY!!!

They will not deliver, EVER!!!   

[Slander]

I have talked to the people at blackarrow, they respond fast and have shipped product before. I don't think they are a scam.

No NO.....HUGE SCAM!!  ALERT ALERT!!!

DO NOT BUY!!!

They will not deliver, EVER!!!   

so, typing random info on some forum...how useful is this? Really, think about it?

I rely on the guys who have been to their facilities and talked to them (posted pics etc).

If you need more proof than this than you are..well, gay. You put the 'g' in gay.

It is as simple as that. You are gay and you love the cock and should not involve yourself with bitcock.

[pfusi]

http://www.scamvoid.com/check/blackarrowsoftware.com
A chinese company that host's their site in Germany  Strange!

[pfusi]

and here's the link between blackarrowsoftware and cardreaderfactory
http://www.diytrade.com/china/manufacturer/2014095/pl/0713-t-c/Software.html

and another one:
https://www.cardreaderfactory.com/ (News entry as of 14-Oct-13)

I.M.H.O. definitifely SCAM!

[jimmothy]

and here's the link between blackarrowsoftware and cardreaderfactory
http://www.diytrade.com/china/manufacturer/2014095/pl/0713-t-c/Software.html

and another one:
https://www.cardreaderfactory.com/ (News entry as of 14-Oct-13)

I.M.H.O. definitifely SCAM!

This is true but both cardreaderfactory and blackarrow have built amd sold fpgas, avalon asics and bitfury asics